Rolando McClain Negotiations Not Good

[Sportsbabe]

I guess its a damn good thing the team doesn't overvalue our players the way many around here do then, huh?

Not a single team has offered or had serious discussions with McClain (who the is about). That's pretty much the exclamation point and end of debate. If McClain was as good as some of the guys around here, and local writers wanted us to believe, wouldn't teams be lining up to sign the guy?

You're clearly just arguing for arguments sake.

...if the internet/TV didn't say it then it must not be so.

 

[texbumthelife]

...if the internet/TV didn't say it then it must not be so.

He hasn't visited with anyone. Nice sarcastic barb though. It really propelled your argument.

We are about to enter the third week of Free Agency. Some of you posited that McClain was elite status last year. Since when do "elite" level players, particularly linebackers, last until the third week of free agency with not even so much as a visit with another team?

I am not saying McClain isn't a good linebacker. I am not even saying I don't want him. I am just saying, he isn't this almighty savior of the defense some of you paint him to be. And he certainly wasn't the single handed "identity changer" of the defense. That's absolute rubbish and a disservice to several other key contributors--Crawford's name immediately comes to mind.

 

[Knotamus]

I guess its a damn good thing the team doesn't overvalue our players the way many around here do then, huh?

Not a single team has offered or had serious discussions with McClain (who the is about). That's pretty much the exclamation point and end of debate. If McClain was as good as some of the guys around here, and local writers wanted us to believe, wouldn't teams be lining up to sign the guy?

You're clearly just arguing for arguments sake.

Not sure if your just trolling or giving your honest opinion, so I'll give you then benefit of doubt.
There is no question that McClain is an elite player when he's at his best. There's a difference in arguing versus debating though. It can't be argued that his presence on the field resonated through out our defense. His stats back up the emotion he brought with him and the bone crushing hits made opponents believers too. Here's a quote from Marinelli himself: "He is really a terrific leader in his own way. Guys seem to rally around a guy like that, physical presence. He hits. He runs. He likes to practice. He practices hard. He leads by what he does." The debate was whether the Cowboys should resign him and man him at MLB. The problem is his baggage and desire. Its actually sad because if he had the determination of Sean Lee, He realistically could be the best LB in the league. Personally, I think his mind is frequently dealing with off field issues...which in turn doesn't allow his heart to be fully into his craft as a player. I was hoping when he was giving a third chance last year that he'd refocused on his god giving talent. But as life would have it.. It seems like he's still dealing with obstacles. I just hope for his sake that he can sort through these trying times and not miss out on a golden opportunity while he's still young. Unfortunately, it doesn't look he'll have another chance in Dallas. Trust me, if or when he gets his head on straight.. teams will be lining up for his services.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/rolando-mcclain-2014-10#ixzz3V9MMmg1W

 

[Nightman]

Not sure if your just trolling or giving your honest opinion, so I'll give you then benefit of doubt.
There is no question that McClain is an elite player when he's at his best. There's a difference in arguing versus debating though. It can't be argued that his presence on the field resonated through out our defense. His stats back up the emotion he brought with him and the bone crushing hits made opponents believers too. Here's a quote from Marinelli himself: "He is really a terrific leader in his own way. Guys seem to rally around a guy like that, physical presence. He hits. He runs. He likes to practice. He practices hard. He leads by what he does." The debate was whether the Cowboys should resign him and man him at MLB. The problem is his baggage and desire. Its actually sad because if he had the determination of Sean Lee, He realistically could be the best LB in the league. Personally, I think his mind is frequently dealing with off field issues...which in turn doesn't allow his heart to be fully into his craft as a player. I was hoping when he was giving a third chance last year that he'd refocused on his god giving talent. But as life would have it.. It seems like he's still dealing with obstacles. I just hope for his sake that he can sort through these trying times and not miss out on a golden opportunity while he's still young. Unfortunately, it doesn't look he'll have another chance in Dallas. Trust me, if or when he gets his head on straight.. teams will be lining up for his services.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/rolando-mcclain-2014-10#ixzz3V9MMmg1W

That is still hyperbole and accusing long time members as trolling is not recommended. McClain was a good MLB and saved our bacon when Lee got hurt. He wasn't a game changer though and disappeared a lot throughout games and the season. He would be a nice addition to the team, but let's not over sell his impact.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Use that UT education and check the date. She posted this the morning after our loss to GreenBay. Please don't act like my mother-in-law and over analyze everything.

Not over analyzing, just using some common sense...............to say "we were happy to be part of such a caring organization" indicates past tense to me. Why in the hell would they be talking like that if they had plans on coming back?

I don't see Romo or Witten saying that "we were proud to be part of the organization last year". Nobody talks in past tense about their employment if they still plan to be employed at the same job. Do you say, "I was very proud of the job I did at company X" if you still freaking work or plan to keep working at company X?

 

[texbumthelife]

Not sure if your just trolling or giving your honest opinion, so I'll give you then benefit of doubt.
There is no question that McClain is an elite player when he's at his best. There's a difference in arguing versus debating though. It can't be argued that his presence on the field resonated through out our defense. His stats back up the emotion he brought with him and the bone crushing hits made opponents believers too. Here's a quote from Marinelli himself: "He is really a terrific leader in his own way. Guys seem to rally around a guy like that, physical presence. He hits. He runs. He likes to practice. He practices hard. He leads by what he does." The debate was whether the Cowboys should resign him and man him at MLB. The problem is his baggage and desire. Its actually sad because if he had the determination of Sean Lee, He realistically could be the best LB in the league. Personally, I think his mind is frequently dealing with off field issues...which in turn doesn't allow his heart to be fully into his craft as a player. I was hoping when he was giving a third chance last year that he'd refocused on his god giving talent. But as life would have it.. It seems like he's still dealing with obstacles. I just hope for his sake that he can sort through these trying times and not miss out on a golden opportunity while he's still young. Unfortunately, it doesn't look he'll have another chance in Dallas. Trust me, if or when he gets his head on straight.. teams will be lining up for his services.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/rolando-mcclain-2014-10#ixzz3V9MMmg1W

Bro, I don't troll. You can see my post count, join date and "likes" to back that up.

Furthermore, calling McClain "elite" is questionable. Not only that, it is very very easy to question. It's a label that McClain hasn't back up with any tangible production. It's a label based on potential and the projection of that potential. Even you stated that. I never once said he wasn't important to this team and I never once said he wasn't a good player I don't want back. I simply stated that many around here were greatly over valuing him and that what I've read around here, certainly doesn't seem to be the opinion shared by GM's and personnel people around the NFL.

Marinelli is an elite coach, but his ability as a talent evaluator isn't one I am completely sold on. He is also a classy individual who gives credit where credit is due and one I have never seen lament or talk down about a player. He has been "rah-rah" for Claiborne too, I wouldn't quote that in order to cement Claiborne's legacy or proclaim him elite and "defense defining" though.

Perhaps where you, I and so many other people on here differ is, I won't call a player with elite potential, elite. In order for me to really proclaim elite status, a players output has to meet that potential. I also won't give credit for the resurrection of a defense to one player, specifically one who missed significant time and wore down tremendously. As I stated before, I think saying that significantly undervalues the contributions of guys like Crawford and Scandrick who were on another level last year.

Let me throw this out there one more time, because we seem to be arguing to argue here, more than actually discussing my point:

McClain was a very good player for us and his contribution can not be denied. However, he was not an irreplaceable component of this defense and he was not single-handedly responsible for any moxy this defense showed. That's absolutely laughable hyperbole. He showed potential and I would love to see that potential completely evolve into on-the-field production, but it just seems to be one thing after another with this player so I don't think that will ever happen. THAT is why neither the Cowboys or anyone else are backing up a dump truck of cash to McClain's door.

Does that read like trolling?

 

[Knotamus]

That is still hyperbole and accusing long time members as trolling is not recommended. McClain was a good MLB and saved our bacon when Lee got hurt. He wasn't a game changer though and disappeared a lot throughout games and the season. He would be a nice addition to the team, but let's not over sell his impact.

First, I didn't accuse anyone of anything. So, please do not put words in my mouth. I stated my personal feelings and didn't believe he was trolling anyway. Hence, "the benefit of the doubt" statement in case you missed it.

Second, I respectfully disagree with your assessment of "over selling" McClain's impact and a few of the players on defense do too:

• "He’s like a created player," whose overwhelming skills break the balance of a video game, said cornerback Brandon Carr.

• "Just his presence is intimidation," safety J.J. Wilcox added.

• "It was a huge impact," safety Barry Church said of McClain’s absence at the end of the Texans game. "He’s one of the leaders on our defense. He brings that physical nature to every snap, and losing him… it did hurt."

• "He's an animal, man," cornerback Orlando Scandrick said of McClain after the Seahawks game.

My opinion is just that. That's why these forum exist in the first place. This is a place where Dallas Cowboys fans can express their opinions about their favorite team. So I do apologize if you took it personally, but I would appreciate the same respect that I will give every other member.

 

[Sportsbabe]

That is still hyperbole and accusing long time members as trolling is not recommended. McClain was a good MLB and saved our bacon when Lee got hurt. He wasn't a game changer though and disappeared a lot throughout games and the season. He would be a nice addition to the team, but let's not over sell his impact.

See Seattle & TN.

 

[texbumthelife]

First, I didn't accuse anyone of anything. So, please do not put words in my mouth. I stated my personal feelings and didn't believe he was trolling anyway. Hence, "the benefit of the doubt" statement in case you missed it.

Second, I respectfully disagree with your assessment of "over selling" McClain's impact and a few of the players on defense do too:

• "He’s like a created player," whose overwhelming skills break the balance of a video game, said cornerback Brandon Carr.

• "Just his presence is intimidation," safety J.J. Wilcox added.

• "It was a huge impact," safety Barry Church said of McClain’s absence at the end of the Texans game. "He’s one of the leaders on our defense. He brings that physical nature to every snap, and losing him… it did hurt."

• "He's an animal, man," cornerback Orlando Scandrick said of McClain after the Seahawks game.

My opinion is just that. That's why these forum exist in the first place. This is a place where Dallas Cowboys fans can express their opinions about their favorite team. So I do apologize if you took it personally, but I would appreciate the same respect that I will give every other member.

I can honestly say, if the Cowboys or any other franchise made personnel decisions based on player endorsements, said franchise wouldn't win squat. Furthermore, absolutely no one is questioning McClain was equally good and important. How good and how important seem to be where we differ.

You do also realize that two of those player "endorsements" come when talking about McClain not playing. That is part of the issue and not one to simply gloss over.

 

[texbumthelife]

See Seattle & TN.

See Bruce Carter...

 

[Sportsbabe]

Bro, I don't troll. You can see my post count, join date and "likes" to back that up.

Furthermore, calling McClain "elite" is questionable. Not only that, it is very very easy to question. It's a label that McClain hasn't back up with any tangible production. It's a label based on potential and the projection of that potential. Even you stated that. I never once said he wasn't important to this team and I never once said he wasn't a good player I don't want back. I simply stated that many around here were greatly over valuing him and that what I've read around here, certainly doesn't seem to be the opinion shared by GM's and personnel people around the NFL.

Marinelli is an elite coach, but his ability as a talent evaluator isn't one I am completely sold on. He is also a classy individual who gives credit where credit is due and one I have never seen lament or talk down about a player. He has been "rah-rah" for Claiborne too, I wouldn't quote that in order to cement Claiborne's legacy or proclaim him elite and "defense defining" though.

Perhaps where you, I and so many other people on here differ is, I won't call a player with elite potential, elite. In order for me to really proclaim elite status, a players output has to meet that potential. I also won't give credit for the resurrection of a defense to one player, specifically one who missed significant time and wore down tremendously. As I stated before, I think saying that significantly undervalues the contributions of guys like Crawford and Scandrick who were on another level last year.

Let me throw this out there one more time, because we seem to be arguing to argue here, more than actually discussing my point:

McClain was a very good player for us and his contribution can not be denied. However, he was not an irreplaceable component of this defense and he was not single-handedly responsible for any moxy this defense showed. That's absolutely laughable hyperbole. He showed potential and I would love to see that potential completely evolve into on-the-field production, but it just seems to be one thing after another with this player so I don't think that will ever happen. THAT is why neither the Cowboys or anyone else are backing up a dump truck of cash to McClain's door.

Does that read like trolling?

Let me throw this out there one more time...he got off his couch after being out of football for 2 years and started day one as MLB and was very, very good. So I totally reject the argument about him wearing down & the injuries as a reason for labeling him as average and not worth the trouble of wanting him back.

 

[Nightman]

See Seattle & TN.

He had one tackle and a pick against SEA and had his best game against TEN, 5 tackles, a sack and an INT. He is a good player.

What did he do against DET and GB?

 

[texbumthelife]

Let me throw this out there one more time...he got off his couch after being out of football for 2 years and started day one as MLB and was very, very good. So I totally reject the argument about him wearing down & the injuries as a reason for labeling him as average and not worth the trouble of wanting him back.

Where on earth did I call him average and "not worth the trouble?" You're just making up stuff to argue now.

And tell me again, why was he sitting on a couch for two years? And how did he "earn" that starting MLB job? Keep the hits coming.

 

[Sportsbabe]

First, I didn't accuse anyone of anything. So, please do not put words in my mouth. I stated my personal feelings and didn't believe he was trolling anyway. Hence, "the benefit of the doubt" statement in case you missed it.

Second, I respectfully disagree with your assessment of "over selling" McClain's impact and a few of the players on defense do too:

• "He’s like a created player," whose overwhelming skills break the balance of a video game, said cornerback Brandon Carr.

• "Just his presence is intimidation," safety J.J. Wilcox added.

• "It was a huge impact," safety Barry Church said of McClain’s absence at the end of the Texans game. "He’s one of the leaders on our defense. He brings that physical nature to every snap, and losing him… it did hurt."

• "He's an animal, man," cornerback Orlando Scandrick said of McClain after the Seahawks game.

My opinion is just that. That's why these forum exist in the first place. This is a place where Dallas Cowboys fans can express their opinions about their favorite team. So I do apologize if you took it personally, but I would appreciate the same respect that I will give every other member.

I appreciate your respectful-ness and see the honest debate.

OScan also said "he's big but got cat like reflexes" .

 

[speedkilz88]

He had one tackle and a pick against SEA and had his best game against TEN, 5 tackles, a sack and an INT. He is a good player.

What did he do against DET and GB?

You read the wrong tackle line. You looked at solo tackles (it says total but you need to look at combined) . Not that the nfl stat guys are reliable. Coaches grade their guys for the team stats. Broaddus thought Sea was his best game.

 

[Sportsbabe]

He had one tackle and a pick against SEA and had his best game against TEN, 5 tackles, a sack and an INT. He is a good player.

What did he do against DET and GB?

I'm done if you are apparently dismissing the "1 pick" vs Sea.

 

[Nightman]

First, I didn't accuse anyone of anything. So, please do not put words in my mouth. I stated my personal feelings and didn't believe he was trolling anyway. Hence, "the benefit of the doubt" statement in case you missed it.

Second, I respectfully disagree with your assessment of "over selling" McClain's impact and a few of the players on defense do too:

• "He’s like a created player," whose overwhelming skills break the balance of a video game, said cornerback Brandon Carr.

• "Just his presence is intimidation," safety J.J. Wilcox added.

• "It was a huge impact," safety Barry Church said of McClain’s absence at the end of the Texans game. "He’s one of the leaders on our defense. He brings that physical nature to every snap, and losing him… it did hurt."

• "He's an animal, man," cornerback Orlando Scandrick said of McClain after the Seahawks game.

My opinion is just that. That's why these forum exist in the first place. This is a place where Dallas Cowboys fans can express their opinions about their favorite team. So I do apologize if you took it personally, but I would appreciate the same respect that I will give every other member.

That is a non-apology if I ever saw one. You implied he was trolling because he had the nerve to disagree with your opinion. I made a simple recommendation, take it any way you want.

 

[Sportsbabe]

See Bruce Carter...

If we were talking about Bruce that would be a good idea.

 

[Nightman]

I'm done if you are apparently dismissing the "1 pick" vs Sea.

Your done because you don't back up your love affair with facts. He had a nice game. We never said he wasn't good, just that he isn't elite and probably not worth what he wants.

 

[Nightman]

You read the wrong tackle line. You looked at solo tackles (it says total but you need to look at combined) . Not that the nfl stat guys are reliable. Coaches grade their guys for the team stats. Broaddus thought Sea was his best game.

I know what I read and what game I watched. See my explanation above.