Romo and Dak are 7th and 8th best in Career Adjusted EPA 1999-2023

[Established1971]

what the dickens is career adjusted epa?


that better mods? must protect the children

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

I know what happened. But the idea that the back up QB or the punter holding the snap is out of date stupidity.

The reason is because the punter or back up QB has more time on his hands to take snaps at practice.

WR's have better hands. They are faster and better all together.

On a blocked punt who is going to make a TD saving tackle? The kicker, punter or back up QB? The OLine?

I think having a WR with great hands and speed makes more sense.

Tony was NOT the backup. QB at that time.

He was the STARTING QB.

They made the starting QB go out and hold the snap. Like they made zeke hike the ball and play the whole o-line.

This franchise is cursed...as long as the zombie owner has to pay his bill.

 

[Chasing6]

Tony was NOT the backup. QB at that time.

He was the STARTING QB.

They made the starting QB go out and hold the snap. Like they made zeke hike the ball and play the whole o-line.

This franchise is cursed...as long as the zombie owner has to pay his bill.

It had nothing to do with Tony. Genius home field advantage trick by Seattle prompting a rule change. Even Belichick was impressed.

If our kicker makes any kind of an attempt at a block Tony gets the first down if not scores.

 

[KJJ]

Romo would have won a Super Bowl if he had the teams Dak has had. Factoid.

He had a better team in 2007 than Dak ever had and went one and done. The fans that think Romo never had real good teams are being ridiculous. He had two terrific teams in 07 and 2014 and neither team won a divisional round game.

 

[SultanOfSix]

well if this is about the seattle wc game where romo got the slick ball lol??
you need to watch the whole game, tony threw a pass to crayton? and somehow he lost it out of the end zone, there were many key plays
in that game.
Due to the tricky slick ball trick, the nfl changed the rules on the balls used for kicking, so home teams could not do that again.

People remember only the bobble, but Tony drove the team down the field with three or four minutes left to play after the defense gave up a TD to give Seattle the lead. Also, Witten did his patented curl one yard before the first down marker on 3rd down on a short field and was stopped right away putting them into the fourth down situation. It always seemed like Tony had to do too much only to be snake-bit in the end.

 

[SultanOfSix]

He had a better team in 2007 than Dak ever had and went one and done. The fans that think Romo never had real good teams are being ridiculous. He had two terrific teams in 07 and 2014 and neither team won a divisional round game.

On offense maybe. But they didn’t even have a thousand yard rusher. Their defense was average — middle of the pack. Then in the playoffs it got worse with an hobbled and injured TO and Jacques Reeves as a corner.

No one ever said Tony never had good teams. They just were never SB caliber on both sides of the ball. The most complete team was probably 2014 one, but even that defense was middle of the pack.

 

[KJJ]

On offense maybe. But they didn’t even have a thousand yard rusher. Their defense was average — middle of the pack. Then in the playoffs it got worse with an hobbled and injured TO and Jacques Reeves as a corner.

No one ever said Tony never had good teams. They just were never SB caliber on both sides of the ball. The most complete team was probably 2014 one, but even that defense was middle of the pack.

They had a good one-two punch with Julius Jones and Marion Barber but everything revolved around the passing game. The defense always sucks in the playoffs. It did under Romo and it has under Dak. Fans say Romo didn’t have the good teams Dak has had and that’s totally false. Not going to waste a lot of time with this.

 

[Adreme]

On offense maybe. But they didn’t even have a thousand yard rusher. Their defense was average — middle of the pack. Then in the playoffs it got worse with an hobbled and injured TO and Jacques Reeves as a corner.

No one ever said Tony never had good teams. They just were never SB caliber on both sides of the ball. The most complete team was probably 2014 one, but even that defense was middle of the pack.

For most of Dak's tenure. middle of the pack defense would be an upgrade. Remember this team was on an almost 3 year streak of never winning a game where the offense did not score 30. The defenses were at times historically bad before they finally drafted the unit heavily a couple years ago.

 

[SultanOfSix]

For most of Dak's tenure. middle of the pack defense would be an upgrade. Remember this team was on an almost 3 year streak of never winning a game where the offense did not score 30. The defenses were at times historically bad before they finally drafted the unit heavily a couple years ago.

These are the total defense rankings for each year Dak or Tony was the starting QB according to Pro Football Reference:

Dak

2023 5
2022 6
2021 7
2020 28
2019 11
2018 6
2017 13
2016 5

Tony

2015 16
2014 15
2013 26
2012 24
2011 16
2010 31
2009 2
2008 20
2007 23
2006 20

 

[Adreme]

These are the total defense rankings for each year Dak or Tony was the starting QB according to Pro Football Reference:

Dak

2023 5
2022 6
2021 7
2020 28
2019 11
2018 6
2017 13
2016 5

Tony

2015 16
2014 15
2013 26
2012 24
2011 16
2010 31
2009 2
2008 20
2007 23
2006 20

Ah yes that weird metric they use to judge "total defense" where they basically just rank them by yards and call it a day as though the goal in the NFL is not to score points as opposed to just getting yards. Here is a fun example of why that metric is flawed and it is Bill Belichick. His defenses generally would be top 3 in points but somewhere in the 8-13 range for yards so people would falsely call them mediocre when in reality they were great because they were keeping points off the board.

There is no greater indictment of that span from about 2019 to mid 2021 that the team NEEDED to score 30 points or they lost every single time. The fact that winning a game 17-10 was not an option is a massive indictment of the defense. Great defenses can win low scoring games when the offense is not on point that day. Championship teams, even ones with Mahomes, need the defense to step up for a couple games. Now that 2016 squad probably could have but there is a reason no Super Bowl winning team has ever had a rookie QB. It is just too much to ask for that kind of transition to jump straight into winning a Super Bowl. Even the ones who did the best, such as Big Ben, were the weak link on their teams (and lets not mince words btw Ben was HORRID in the playoffs even during his first Super Bowl run).

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

These are the total defense rankings for each year Dak or Tony was the starting QB according to Pro Football Reference:

Dak

2023 5
2022 6
2021 7
2020 28
2019 11
2018 6
2017 13
2016 5

Tony

2015 16
2014 15
2013 26
2012 24
2011 16
2010 31
2009 2
2008 20
2007 23
2006 20

So he had a top 2 defense in 2009.....wonder how that year went?

 

[morat1959]

These are the total defense rankings for each year Dak or Tony was the starting QB according to Pro Football Reference:

Dak

2023 5
2022 6
2021 7
2020 28
2019 11
2018 6
2017 13
2016 5

Tony

2015 16
2014 15
2013 26
2012 24
2011 16
2010 31
2009 2
2008 20
2007 23
2006 20

Look at all those wasted years with these 2 QBs.

 

[irishline]

But what does 1-6 have in common.

If you are trying to insinuate that 1-6 have won Super Bowls, number 6 never played in one. (correct on 1-5 though).

If that wasn't it, then I'm not sure.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Ah yes that weird metric they use to judge "total defense" where they basically just rank them by yards and call it a day as though the goal in the NFL is not to score points as opposed to just getting yards. Here is a fun example of why that metric is flawed and it is Bill Belichick. His defenses generally would be top 3 in points but somewhere in the 8-13 range for yards so people would falsely call them mediocre when in reality they were great because they were keeping points off the board.

There is no greater indictment of that span from about 2019 to mid 2021 that the team NEEDED to score 30 points or they lost every single time. The fact that winning a game 17-10 was not an option is a massive indictment of the defense. Great defenses can win low scoring games when the offense is not on point that day. Championship teams, even ones with Mahomes, need the defense to step up for a couple games. Now that 2016 squad probably could have but there is a reason no Super Bowl winning team has ever had a rookie QB. It is just too much to ask for that kind of transition to jump straight into winning a Super Bowl. Even the ones who did the best, such as Big Ben, were the weak link on their teams (and lets not mince words btw Ben was HORRID in the playoffs even during his first Super Bowl run).

Total team defense is not just based on yards. It uses a bunch of different metrics. BB’s 2016 Patriots were ranked #1 but they didn’t give up the least amount of yards. They were 8th while the Houston Texans were 1st.

 

[Big D]

Not sure, but I do think we would have stood a better chance with him in 2016 if we'd reinserted him in the lineup (depending if his health had held up). That's not a knock against Dak. Just saying that a veteran whose last full season (2014) was his best (and one of the top ones in the league) would have given us a better chance than a rookie who was still learning.

What does Romo provide vs what Dak did in this scenario that leads you to believe we would've won?

 

[GMO415]

Let's see, when I think of great Cowboys QBs, I think of Roger and Troy. I wonder why.......

 

[Big D]

It had nothing to do with Tony. Genius home field advantage trick by Seattle prompting a rule change. Even Belichick was impressed.

If our kicker makes any kind of an attempt at a block Tony gets the first down if not scores.

Exactly! Grammatica I think it was gave 0 effort. Romo scores if the kicker tries to block there.

 

[gimmesix]

What does Romo provide vs what Dak did in this scenario that leads you to believe we would've won?

I think it took Dak a little while to settle down playing in his first playoff game. We scored 13 points through the first three quarters and then 18 in the fourth. If I remember correctly, Dak was airmailing some of his passes early in a sign of his excitement. A video of one play doesn't tell the whole story of a game, and I'm certainly not accusing Dak of being the reason we lost. I just believe a QB at the peak of his career might have done a few things differently than a quarterback at the start of his that would have made a difference in a tight game. I doubt Romo's health would have held up, though, because it didn't take as much to break him at that point.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Look at all those wasted years with these 2 QBs.

Those look more like Jerry's wasted years not theirs lol.

 

[GMO415]

Romo and Dak wouldn't make the Cowboys Mount Rushmore