Romo "leading" the league in interceptions

[percyhoward]

This is always great when you bring it up, btw. It really shows how layered issues like giveaways can be when you can isolate the problem to one position like this.

It also explains more of what the team was thinking when it came to their draft picks.

It does, and it does.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

This is so miscontrued and twisted by the media it's not funny.

Romo had 19 interceptions this year and 3 came off in the final week of the season. Romo didn't lead the league in interceptions. He tied with the most with the NFL's golden boy Drew Brees, but no one seems to notice that both he and Tony went 8-8 and tied for the league most.

Look closer as well. Eli threw 15 and Drew threw 19. Eli has been sacked 17 less times(with 19 sacks) than Tony Romo. Drew Brees was sacked 10 less times than Tony Romo(26). Romo is almost in the top of the league with 36 sacks from the 2012 season. Imagine how many sacks Romo avoided with his athletic ability as well.

That doesn't excuse the turnovers, considering that Aaron Rodgers has been sacked 51 times and doesn't turnover the ball, but that man is playing outside of his mind.

I just thought that stat was very telling

Here's to sum it up

Eli manning- sacked 19 times - 26 touchdowns and 15 interceptions on "536 attempts"

Drew Brees-Sacked 26 times- 43 touchdowns and 19 interceptions on "670 attempts"

Tony Romo-Sacked 36 times- 26 touchdowns and 19 interceptions on "648 attempts!!!"

Get rid of this bum now!

and how did each team perform?

 

[VirusX]

With the exception of the bears and giants game any team without a top 5 QB would give their left testicle for Romo...

Romo threw over 100 more passes then Eli. Did not have nearly the same offense and threw only what 4 less pics?

So with an additional 100 attempts Eli's numbers would've been what 30 /19 ? Not much better for a two time MVP...

 

[perrykemp]

RG3 = 4.0 (overrated lol)

RG3's career interception percentage is 1.3% which I suspect would be a NFL record if he qualified for the career record (which he obviously doesn't since he has only played one year).

 

[FiveRings]

That pass attempt number for Eli seems really low. Thought they threw it at least 600 times. Did he miss the end of an games that I'm not thinking of or something to that effect?

 

[Chuck 54]

If Tony had thrown anywhere near 43 TDs, I could live with the 19 interceptions. Add in those extra TDs and we're in the playoffs.

 

[perrykemp]

That pass attempt number for Eli seems really low. Thought they threw it at least 600 times. Did he miss the end of an games that I'm not thinking of or something to that effect?

Eli has never passed for more than 600 attempts. Other than 2011 he has never exceeded 557 which is decidedly middle of the pack in terms of attempts.

 

[perrykemp]

If Tony had thrown anywhere near 43 TDs, I could live with the 19 interceptions. Add in those extra TDs and we're in the playoffs.

That's why I don't understand the lack of respect I see here on CZ for Brees sometimes -- no matter how ugly his play can look at times (Interceptions mainly), man-o-man, ALL THOSE TOUCHDOWNS.

He is averaged 40 TDs per season over the past 3 seasons.

 

[cowboyfan4life2]

The problem is romo throws ints at the worst possible time, and for the most part they are avoidable. The last one against the Commanders was a mistake that you would expect from a rookie, not a 33 year old qb.

 

[DFWJC]

The problem is romo throws ints at the worst possible time, and for the most part they are avoidable. The last one against the Commanders was a mistake that you would expect from a rookie, not a 33 year old qb.

Not really.
Loft that ball a little longer and Murray is off to the races.
The fact that he had about 1 second to pull it all just may have come into play.

And if he always throws ints and worst times, how is it that he had som nay 4th quarter comeback wins last year?
You guys only remember the negatives....it's as if all of those game-winning drives never happened.

 

[cowboyfan4life2]

Not really.
Loft that ball a little longer and Murray is off to the races.

He had no chance of putting it in there, should have thrown it away.

 

[DFWJC]

He had no chance of putting it in there, should have thrown it away.

Sure he did. Murray about 20 yards of daylight right in front of him. He wasn't fitting in IN anywhere. He needed to throw it over the defender and got fooled (easy to happen in less than second's time). Easy for us to say that sitting in front of a laptop though.

He overestimated himself though. No excuse, but he was in some pretty serious pain with the ribs by then. That underthrow reminded me of the deep middle pick he threw vs Detroit early last year..also with the painful ribs....more they were worse then.
He overestimated himself.

 

[Nova]

Int-TD ratio is not nearly as indicative of turnover ratio as INT-attempts.

I'll just use the guys some of you were all talking of, in order from Best to Worst

2012:
Eli: 1 int every 35.7 attempts (or 2.8% of passes)
Brees: 1 int every 35.3 attempts (or 2.8% of passes)
Romo: 1 int every 34.1 attempts (or 2.9% of passes)


Career:
Brees: 1 int every 37.3 attempts (or 2.7% of passes)
Romo: 1 int every 35.6 attempts (or 2.8% of passes)
Eli: 1 int every 34.1 attempts (or 3.2% of passes)


Obviously the percentages aren't that accurate since I rounded to the nearest 10th, but I think the first stat still kinds of displays the separation.
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To contrast with an Elite QB and another QB people consider to be good but not great:

Tom Brady:
2012: 1 int every 80 attempts (insane 1.3% of passes)
Career: 1 int every 48 attempts (2.1% of attempts)

Matt Ryan:
2012: 1 int every 44 attempts (2.2% of passes)
Career: 1 int every 44 passes (2.2% of passes) -- Remarkably consistent

So it's fair to say that Romo has some issues with turnovers, and while he may not be the only QB with turnover problems, he's one of the few that's considered to be good... and in this particular example the only one without a ring, and a plethora of other games where he displayed an incredible ability to shoot himself in the foot with interceptions.

Is it overblown? Yeah, because Romo's also had great years with turnover ratio (2009,2011). But it fluctuates.

 

[DFWJC]

Int-TD ratio is not nearly as indicative of turnover ratio as INT-attempts.

I'll just use the guys some of you were all talking of, in order from Best to Worst

2012:
Eli: 1 int every 35.7 attempts (or 2.8% of passes)
Brees: 1 int every 35.3 attempts (or 2.8% of passes)
Romo: 1 int every 34.1 attempts (or 2.9% of passes)


Career:
Brees: 1 int every 37.3 attempts (or 2.7% of passes)
Romo: 1 int every 35.6 attempts (or 2.8% of passes)
Eli: 1 int every 34.1 attempts (or 3.2% of passes)


Obviously the percentages aren't that accurate since I cut rounded to the nearest 10th, but I think the first stat still kinds of displays the separation.

Career-wise, that's pretty big gap between Brees/Romo over Eli.

I do think TD/int ratio is very important though.

 

[Doomsay]

This is so miscontrued and twisted by the media it's not funny.

Romo had 19 interceptions this year and 3 came off in the final week of the season. Romo didn't lead the league in interceptions. He tied with the most with the NFL's golden boy Drew Brees, but no one seems to notice that both he and Tony went 8-8 and tied for the league most.

He co-led the league in interceptions, them media folks got it right.

 

[Nova]

Career-wise, that's pretty big gap between Brees/Romo over Eli.

I do think TD/int ratio is very important though.

True. Also one of my favorite stats to pull out on Giants fans is that over the course of 2010-2011, Eli was responsible for 50 turnovers (including fumbles).

But alas, he also seems to find a way to overcome things like that as well.

Anyway, TD/int ratio usually follows along with int-att pretty well, and you definitely want more tds than ints. But if you don't throw many touchdowns because your ground game is so dominant and your receivers suck then its understandable how that stat can be skewed.

 

[TheCount]

All I know is Romo had every opportunity to put this whole Tony Turnover nonsense to bed last year and instead cemented the perception that he is a choker.

The guy could help himself a lot by just protecting the ball. His line is wildly inconsistent but he really didn't help himself last year.

 

[Ratmatt]

Why are we comparing Romo to Drew Brees,or Eli Manning.Who cares about those guys.Does it make it better that Bress threw as many as Romo?The fact is that 19 int is too much.He did a real good job in 2011,but he turned it over too much last year.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Touchdown to interception ratio is useless; although, when you get down to it, really in some ways both touchdowns and interceptions aren't really much better. Brees is a great quarterback and throws tons of touchdowns, but the Saints throw the ball just about every down and also throw the ball for just about every touchdown, even on very short plays. So someone like Big Ben can masterfully control a drive down to the three yard line with great throws, but the Steelers are going to run the ball when they get down there. Teams like the Packers and Saints just keep on throwing. It is pretty remarkable that Brees could have that many touchdowns in a "down" year, but make no mistake Brees did not have a great year and hurt his team in many games.

Even though I don't like a lot of the facets of ESPN's QBR, I applaud them for at least attempting to measure how well a quarterback does the things that are important; not just whether they can complete short passes for touchdowns.

 

[percyhoward]

2012:
Eli: 1 int every 35.7 attempts (or 2.8% of passes)
Brees: 1 int every 35.3 attempts (or 2.8% of passes)
Romo: 1 int every 34.1 attempts (or 2.9% of passes)


Career:
Brees: 1 int every 37.3 attempts (or 2.7% of passes)
Romo: 1 int every 35.6 attempts (or 2.8% of passes)
Eli: 1 int every 34.1 attempts (or 3.2% of passes)

To make my point another way (your way, thank you):

2011 Team INT: 1 int every 45.4 attempts
to Robinson: 1 int every 40.5 attempts
to everyone else: 1 int every 46.4 attempts

2012 Team INT: 1 int every 34.5 attempts
to Ogletree/Beasley/Harris: 1 int every 13.1 attempts
to everyone else: 1 int every 50.1 attempts