Root of the Rico argument

[waldoputty]

I don't really care if they keep him but, listening to the coaches they just don't think he gets it and I think they are in the camp of moving on from him
at the end of the week. Maybe the Jets or Pittsburgh can make use of him.

if i were rico, i would show off passcatching and piss off the coaches to get away from the cowboys.

 

[LittleD]

if i were rico, i would show off passcatching and piss off the coaches to get away from the cowboys.

Won't be a problem...He's as good as gone and will be looking for a new team next week.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

the hype was last preseason. he went to have 2 amazing preseason games. then the idiot speared him in the head and cost a huge injury. that ability to play, both physically and mentally, does not just vaporize in a few months. garrett cannot reverse the narrative 1 year later and expect no one to catch the inconsistency.

then he was not taken of ir to get reps. reps is what he needs and he was deprived of it in the wasted season that was last year.

he has not had 3 years. 1 year of practice on the practice squad and 1 year on ir where he cannot practice with the team. the lost time on ir is probably what damaged the relationship.

he can be a redzone threat right now. it is the job of the coaches to make the best of the available talent. instead they try to force things that dont fit either because of ability or of experience. what blocking i have seen was not bad recently.

and if there is concern for dak, why not put him in the first quarter while it is rush at qb. instead even schultz got in before him.

two amazing games, wow, how the legend grows. He had two good games, please put the annointing oil away, which is what the rico fan club tends to do...... lets not forget he had those games against 5th and 6th stringers who are no longer in the league....which tells me his game is probably still at a college level and not NFL level.

and he got hit in the head....now you call the guy idiot, because your player, your idol, got injured. its freaking football and injuries happen...all the time....based on what you just said, you wanted him to be protected during practices....

the ability to be athletic doesn't vaporize....again, you are blowing up a comment about him progressing and being good at the level that was expected of him, as him being a good NFL TE......it was a comment to the press about a player who was a gamble pick in the 6th round.....and the comment wasn't about him being mentally ready...... I think you are reading way too much into a simple comment and given your obvious bias using it to justify something that makes no sense....

and again, in the 3rd year, expectations are he knows the plays, he knows his assignments....those don't just happen in the field. they happen in the class room and through mental reps, which is what EVERY good NFL player does....so if in his 3rd year , he is still inconsistent in understanding his assignments...that's on Rico, it has nothing to do with his ability to block, etc.

he could not have been taken off of the IR...NFL rules.... so that argument is moot....and once again, not a wasted season...there is still plenty to learn for a player who hasn't played football since middle school.

he can be a red zone threat....but he is not the only redzone threat.... and should not be the only red zone threat...the question is what else does he bring to the table, vs. cutting somebody else and what they bring to the table and can I replace those redzone opportunities with other players.....if all he brings to the table is being a red zone threat, then he is very very very limited and I wouldn't want him on the team.

and yes, its the coaches job to make the best out of the available talent....ALL of the players, not just Rico. which seems like the rico fan club is taking issue with him not getting special threatment, because he is 6'6", 280 and runs a 4.8....

and sounds like you are disappointed that Rico didn't get a chance to play in first quarter. ....and team instead wanted to evaluate Schultz...which is what coaches are supposed to do...evaluate their players.... Schultz played college ball and high school and played in a big time program and was a 4th round pick.... he may not be 280, but he probably has better understanding of scheme, assignments than Rico....he may not be as physically talented, but he can probably execute better, than try and win jump balls....

I am sorry that you feel disappointed in not seeing one of your favorite players play...but when I watch him, even in this last game...I see a lumbering player, with minimal change of directions and ability to run routes, whose sole reliance is on his athletic ability and size to win battles for the ball.... that's only good for 5th and 6th string players...against 1st teamers, he will have a fat chance to succeed without really knowing how to play football. its disappointing for you rico fans to hear that, but its reality....it would be a idiotic to think all these 1st and 2nd stringers and top notch players are just chump change against rico....what I have seen taking my bias glasses off, is a very average player, very unimpressive....if all you think about is redzone threat, then your knowledge of football is quite limited.....even mine is limited...like I said...Garrett shiets more football knowledge than you and I understand combined.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

rams coach is my favorite candidate but no way they get rid of him.

the typical route is to grab the oc or the dc who does well to solve one side of the football.
then let him choose the oc and dc.

so who? I have a couple of candidates, but like to hear from you...not after they succeeded and pointing to them...but now...and I don't like any college coaches except one and he is not leaving alabama

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

i dont bother to do things in disguise on cz.

this was your original post

"....if we had a competent coach, there would not be much argument if the head coach said a player is lacking

however, we have garrett, who many do not trust.
if we had a coach like belicheat, i suspect most will take the coach at his word about the worth of players.

unfortunately the best argument is garrett's self-preservation.
what if another team picks rico up and he balls out...."

and title was about Rico

yet, you have spent quite a bit of time bashing garrett, time management, strategy, etc....... so this wasn't about rico...this was all about garrett, rico was just another item used to bash garrett...I am sure there will be more....

 

[waldoputty]

this was your original post

"....if we had a competent coach, there would not be much argument if the head coach said a player is lacking

however, we have garrett, who many do not trust.
if we had a coach like belicheat, i suspect most will take the coach at his word about the worth of players.

unfortunately the best argument is garrett's self-preservation.
what if another team picks rico up and he balls out...."

and title was about Rico

yet, you have spent quite a bit of time bashing garrett, time management, strategy, etc....... so this wasn't about rico...this was all about garrett, rico was just another item used to bash garrett...I am sure there will be more....

u call that in disguise???

 

[waldoputty]

so who? I have a couple of candidates, but like to hear from you...not after they succeeded and pointing to them...but now...and I don't like any college coaches except one and he is not leaving alabama

the ne offensive coordinator is the obvious choice.
i admit another team tried to get him but failed.

if richard does well, it could be richard.
cowboys like to try out candidates
so that could well be what is going on.

 

[waldoputty]

two amazing games, wow, how the legend grows. He had two good games, please put the annointing oil away, which is what the rico fan club tends to do...... lets not forget he had those games against 5th and 6th stringers who are no longer in the league....which tells me his game is probably still at a college level and not NFL level.

and he got hit in the head....now you call the guy idiot, because your player, your idol, got injured. its freaking football and injuries happen...all the time....based on what you just said, you wanted him to be protected during practices....

the ability to be athletic doesn't vaporize....again, you are blowing up a comment about him progressing and being good at the level that was expected of him, as him being a good NFL TE......it was a comment to the press about a player who was a gamble pick in the 6th round.....and the comment wasn't about him being mentally ready...... I think you are reading way too much into a simple comment and given your obvious bias using it to justify something that makes no sense....

and again, in the 3rd year, expectations are he knows the plays, he knows his assignments....those don't just happen in the field. they happen in the class room and through mental reps, which is what EVERY good NFL player does....so if in his 3rd year , he is still inconsistent in understanding his assignments...that's on Rico, it has nothing to do with his ability to block, etc.

he could not have been taken off of the IR...NFL rules.... so that argument is moot....and once again, not a wasted season...there is still plenty to learn for a player who hasn't played football since middle school.

he can be a red zone threat....but he is not the only redzone threat.... and should not be the only red zone threat...the question is what else does he bring to the table, vs. cutting somebody else and what they bring to the table and can I replace those redzone opportunities with other players.....if all he brings to the table is being a red zone threat, then he is very very very limited and I wouldn't want him on the team.

and yes, its the coaches job to make the best out of the available talent....ALL of the players, not just Rico. which seems like the rico fan club is taking issue with him not getting special threatment, because he is 6'6", 280 and runs a 4.8....

and sounds like you are disappointed that Rico didn't get a chance to play in first quarter. ....and team instead wanted to evaluate Schultz...which is what coaches are supposed to do...evaluate their players.... Schultz played college ball and high school and played in a big time program and was a 4th round pick.... he may not be 280, but he probably has better understanding of scheme, assignments than Rico....he may not be as physically talented, but he can probably execute better, than try and win jump balls....

I am sorry that you feel disappointed in not seeing one of your favorite players play...but when I watch him, even in this last game...I see a lumbering player, with minimal change of directions and ability to run routes, whose sole reliance is on his athletic ability and size to win battles for the ball.... that's only good for 5th and 6th string players...against 1st teamers, he will have a fat chance to succeed without really knowing how to play football. its disappointing for you rico fans to hear that, but its reality....it would be a idiotic to think all these 1st and 2nd stringers and top notch players are just chump change against rico....what I have seen taking my bias glasses off, is a very average player, very unimpressive....if all you think about is redzone threat, then your knowledge of football is quite limited.....even mine is limited...like I said...Garrett shiets more football knowledge than you and I understand combined.

that is 2 amazing games that none of the other te's have.
keep swaim and one of the other ones and that makes 3.

i called him an idiot for publicly liking a negative garrett post, not for getting injured.

rico is not my idol.
if we have another player with better talent, he would be yesterday's news.

actually we want equal treatment/reps for rico. he is getting screwed by garrett. though swaim is already a vet and should be set aside as the sure thing even if limited.

a big red zone threat is a big deal, as most of us know that red zone is where teams normally get bogged down.

what garrett has done that is worthwhile is as an architect. that belongs in the front office. as far as coaching, it is addition by subtraction.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

the ne offensive coordinator is the obvious choice.
i admit another team tried to get him but failed.

if richard does well, it could be richard.
cowboys like to try out candidates
so that could well be what is going on.

I like the Minn Offensive coordinator DeFlippo... a coach in the waiting.....

I don't really like McDaniels.... there has not been one coordinator coming out of NE that has found any level of success....including McDaniels who failed miserably in denver

and I also like Schwartz, I like his aggressive defensive style and he knows 4-3 and he can do much better with our DEs and DL. He failed once as a head coach in Detroit, he is a bit abrasive, but I think he learned a lot last year by being on the eagles and winning in the superbowl..... and I expect the Commanders to fire Gruden, who is a really good OC, but below average HC....Schwartz plus Gruden as the OC and perhaps we retain Richards and promote him to DC, he has an aggressive defensive style as well.

 

[waldoputty]

I like the Minn Offensive coordinator DeFlippo... a coach in the waiting.....

I don't really like McDaniels.... there has not been one coordinator coming out of NE that has found any level of success....including McDaniels who failed miserably in denver

and I also like Schwartz, I like his aggressive defensive style and he knows 4-3 and he can do much better with our DEs and DL. He failed once as a head coach in Detroit, he is a bit abrasive, but I think he learned a lot last year by being on the eagles and winning in the superbowl..... and I expect the Commanders to fire Gruden, who is a really good OC, but below average HC....Schwartz plus Gruden as the OC and perhaps we retain Richards and promote him to DC, he has an aggressive defensive style as well.

i dont know the minn guy, but like schwartz too. good one.
richards may be effectively the dc already.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

that is 2 amazing games that none of the other te's have.
keep swaim and one of the other ones and that makes 3.

i called him an idiot for publicly liking a negative garrett post, not for getting injured.

rico is not my idol.
if we have another player with better talent, he would be yesterday's news.

actually we want equal treatment/reps for rico. he is getting screwed by garrett. though swaim is already a vet and should be set aside as the sure thing even if limited.

a big red zone threat is a big deal, as most of us know that red zone is where teams normally get bogged down.

what garrett has done that is worthwhile is as an architect. that belongs in the front office. as far as coaching, it is addition by subtraction.

again, not amazing...your view of it. to me it was good and what we don't know is how well he would have played against 1st stringers.... and how well the other TEs would have done playing against the lower level competition.....

and against, separating the two...he maybe athletically talented to a degree, but IMO he is not football talented, very average to below average....

and again, just being a redzone threat...ok, lets say he is that...it doesn't mean he is the only one, nor should he be...nor does it mean he will succeed on all redzone chances...

vs. who will you cut and what will they bring to the table.....not just in the 5 or 6 redzone chances he will be a part of during 16 games......

 

[waldoputty]

again, not amazing...your view of it. to me it was good and what we don't know is how well he would have played against 1st stringers.... and how well the other TEs would have done playing against the lower level competition.....

and against, separating the two...he maybe athletically talented to a degree, but IMO he is not football talented, very average to below average....

and again, just being a redzone threat...ok, lets say he is that...it doesn't mean he is the only one, nor should he be...nor does it mean he will succeed on all redzone chances...

vs. who will you cut and what will they bring to the table.....not just in the 5 or 6 redzone chances he will be a part of during 16 games......

red zone threat:
best. zeke
tied for second. dak/rico
third. austin on a trick play probably going in an opposite direction as zeke
not sure about whether there is anyone else worth mentioning.
redzone chances and being a decoy are both valuable.
dez, when he was a #1, was a great fade/jump ball decoy.

we get 53 players.
we are not superbowl favorites.
we should keep the players with the serious potential and develop them.
we could simply cut schultz
chances are he makes it to the ps.
alternative, dont keep the extra dt (irving replacement) for week 1 and then cut the spare crappy safety after game (required since woods is out for week 1).

 

[ghst187]

Not a coach or player on the team seems to give a crap about him. You never hear a word from anybody about Rico like you do Lenoir, Brown, Swaim, and other guys.

That says a lot.

Ironically, guys like Lenoir and Swaim are total JAGs. In fact Lenoir is only decent in camp and sucks on gameday. He is fools gold. Swaim gets tons of praise in camps too but what on gameday thus far? Brown got love from coaches too, gameday results?
Part of what makes some of us question the staff in regard to these exact players is the staff talks about how great their BLOCKING is and that’s also why they largely don’t like Rico.
If you plan to use all your pass catchers as blockers why have any dynamic pass catchers? Just put lineman out there. Did the NYG just pay ODB for his blocking?
Rico may not be a good overall player I don’t know but he can def do some stuff CATCHING PASSES that none of our other TEs can do.
I just tend to think that a staff with a shred of imagination could figure how to utilize that.
And yes throw all of your “well the coaches know better than you” stuff please but this staff should NOT have won much of your trust when it comes to talent utilization, creating mismatches, or being innovative.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

red zone threat:
best. zeke
tied for second. dak/rico
third. austin on a trick play probably going in an opposite direction as zeke
not sure about whether there is anyone else worth mentioning.
redzone chances and being a decoy are both valuable.
dez, when he was a #1, was a great fade/jump ball decoy.

we get 53 players.
we are not superbowl favorites.
we should keep the players with the serious potential and develop them.
we could simply cut schultz
chances are he makes it to the ps.
alternative, dont keep the extra dt (irving replacement) for week 1 and then cut the spare crappy safety after game (required since woods is out for week 1).

rico second? so the rest of the TEs are just mustard in the redzone...and none of the WRs except for trick play with Austin...overly simplistic and thus why the rico fan club's limited view of football makes them such a fan of rico.....

and I am not sure if a limited football player like rico is a good match up against first string NFL LBs and safeties and Paterson type players....I give the nudge to the LBs and safties in this case....you obviously have way simplistic view and overly inflated view of Rico.... which explains a lot

 

[waldoputty]

rico second? so the rest of the TEs are just mustard in the redzone...and none of the WRs except for trick play with Austin...overly simplistic and thus why the rico fan club's limited view of football makes them such a fan of rico.....

and I am not sure if a limited football player like rico is a good match up against first string NFL LBs and safeties and Paterson type players....I give the nudge to the LBs and safties in this case....you obviously have way simplistic view and overly inflated view of Rico.... which explains a lot

zeke - obvious and proven
dak - obvious and proven
rico - fade/jump ball threat that may draw attention away from zeke (eg. lb or best safety)
austin - misdirection
they are complementary

rico would be useful even if he did nothing but just run the same route over and over again in the red zone.
if u press him, what happens in the 'say 50%' of the time the press is not successful
if u give him a free release, anyone can see an opening in the zone, preferably close to the sidelines.
none of the other tightends or wrs are the fade/jump ball threat that rico is.
if u disagree, name one.

 

[G2]

"Amazing games" - Lmao!

 

[davidariust24]

The argument over this guy is really simple. The name of the game is to outscore you opponent. If you answer honestly which tightend looks like theyd be able to score easily? Gathers! This preseason which tightend has caught the most passes? gathers! and in the least amount of playing time? Gathers? They didn't really play gathers until the fourth quarter! He played a play here and a play there in the third. Here is another thing. Who was Cooper rush's go to guy last preseason? gathers! Cooper rush went on a tear last preseason mostly because of Gathers! Now his goto guy is gone. I dare the coaches to let gathers start with cooper and play for a whole half. Let him play with Cooper for one quarter and with white for a quarter but he needs to play a half and let the other tightend play for a whole half. let's see how it looks. People keep saying these QBs suck but their offensive lines suck, all they are trying to do is impress and they have little to impress with. We are built to run and you got lineman out there who can even run block and they sure can't pass protect. Pro football focus was focused on something else. I don't know what they were looking at. Lastly, um going to play the look at other teams card. Slot of teams barely use their tightends to block or they have a tightend who does that and a tightend who pass catches. Tony Gonzalez really didn't block slot. Jimmy Graham doesn't block. Shannon Sharpe was terrible at blocking. I rarely see Kelce blocking or Greg Olsen. All I'm saying is if you can catch a lot of balls and score points , who cares about your blocking. That's is the main argument. All you can say is well in this team you have to block that's the problem. Is like no one can see or think outside the box. I'd be thinking if this guy can catch and score that easily maybe I can make an exception and use Him differently. It's like telling Dan Marino , I know you have a rocket arm and that you can throw the ball really well but since you can't throw to the left side in this area that I've circled for you I'm not going to let you play. You've thrown for more yards and had more completions than your competitors but that doesn't matter because you aren't hitting the areas that I've circled for you on this picture or diagram of the field. All um saying is who cares about these technicalities , you should be able to coach or work around the short comings if you see high potential, cause I'm sorry swaim and no other tightend has the potential this guy has if and when he can put it all together.

 

[G2]

The argument over this guy is really simple. The name of the game is to outscore you opponent. If you answer honestly which tightend looks like theyd be able to score easily? Gathers! This preseason which tightend has caught the most passes? gathers! and in the least amount of playing time? Gathers? They didn't really play gathers until the fourth quarter! He played a play here and a play there in the third. Here is another thing. Who was Cooper rush's go to guy last preseason? gathers! Cooper rush went on a tear last preseason mostly because of Gathers! Now his goto guy is gone. I dare the coaches to let gathers start with cooper and play for a whole half. Let him play with Cooper for one quarter and with white for a quarter but he needs to play a half and let the other tightend play for a whole half. let's see how it looks. People keep saying these QBs suck but their offensive lines suck, all they are trying to do is impress and they have little to impress with. We are built to run and you got lineman out there who can even run block and they sure can't pass protect. Pro football focus was focused on something else. I don't know what they were looking at. Lastly, um going to play the look at other teams card. Slot of teams barely use their tightends to block or they have a tightend who does that and a tightend who pass catches. Tony Gonzalez really didn't block slot. Jimmy Graham doesn't block. Shannon Sharpe was terrible at blocking. I rarely see Kelce blocking or Greg Olsen. All I'm saying is if you can catch a lot of balls and score points , who cares about your blocking. That's is the main argument. All you can say is well in this team you have to block that's the problem. Is like no one can see or think outside the box. I'd be thinking if this guy can catch and score that easily maybe I can make an exception and use Him differently. It's like telling Dan Marino , I know you have a rocket arm and that you can throw the ball really well but since you can't throw to the left side in this area that I've circled for you I'm not going to let you play. You've thrown for more yards and had more completions than your competitors but that doesn't matter because you aren't hitting the areas that I've circled for you on this picture or diagram of the field. All um saying is who cares about these technicalities , you should be able to coach or work around the short comings if you see high potential, cause I'm sorry swaim and no other tightend has the potential this guy has if and when he can put it all together.

If Gathers can't run or pass block or play special teams he won't make the cut. It's much more than having the "potential" to be a red zone threat.

 

[Rockport]

if we had a competent coach, there would not be much argument if the head coach said a player is lacking

however, we have garrett, who many do not trust.
if we had a coach like belicheat, i suspect most will take the coach at his word about the worth of players.

unfortunately the best argument is garrett's self-preservation.
what if another team picks rico up and he balls out.

I thought this was going to be an insightful take on the pros and cons of Rico. Instead it's just another bash the Cowboys thread. Not surprised though.

 

[Rockport]

if i were rico, i would show off passcatching and piss off the coaches to get away from the cowboys.

You probably would.