Root of the Rico argument

kevm3 said:
Rico must have criticized this coaching staff and is getting iced out. Even if he can't run these complex routes or whatever is the criticism against him, what he has shown as an offensive playmaker is far beyond the other TEs on the roster. Rico needs to be on that playing field.
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well the rumor is he liked a tweet about firing garrett.
 
CowboysFaninHouston said:
I agree, but bilicheck played starters in a meaningless 16th game of the season, to keep the team sharp.... we came into GB game, with a week off and the starters essentially not having had a meaningful practice and game in three weeks. they didn't look sharp at all to begin the game.
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Don't make this about how bad Garrett is. This is about Rico. ;)
 
CowboysFaninHouston said:
omg, the legend grows....he was unstoppable....who reported it? show me some links and reports from the camp....the superman myth grows by the day....

he runs simple routes, nothing complex, and he at this point given his lack of football ability, uses his athletic ability...thus the success you see against 4th and 5th stringers and become infatuated with...watch his catches,,, I am sure one of you fans has a compilation of videos on re-run 24x7 some where..... and you will see the simplicity of his routes.... and this catch radius stuff is over rated.... aquan boldin was small and his catch radius not that big and he was awesome, so was steve smith and I take tavon Austin over Rico 8 days of the week...so stop with that meaningless drivel..... against 6'4" 250 LB LBs that run 4.6 he would be utterly ineffective if he can only run one route and he can only try to do fades in the redzone….I a peewee flag football coach can come up with a defense to take him out of the game..... to be effective in football you have to know football and have football skills, not just size and your new catch phrase you are so desparatley hanging on to..... catch radius...

the fade was ONE of the things Dez did, so don't diminish Dez's ability to pump up rico...Dez did many other things and ran many routes including routes inside the red zone, that made the fade effective....he had an arsenal of moves and other football skills....not just the fade you so desparatley hanging on to again....if that's all he could have done, dez would have been out of the league years ago....

knowing your assignments are not just from reps..... films study....playbook.....meeting rooms....that's where a lot of the learning is done..... and you take it to the field and show it...and if you can't show it in practice after so many reps in practice...then you are football dumb....

and lining him up wide would be the stupidest thing a coach can do....it takes him 3 seconds to get off the line and into his route...by then the play is over....and again, do you think if he lined up wide, a defensive coordinator would match up a CB against him? really!!

my god...you are so simple.... and such a man crush on a almost has been player...all because you hate garrett so much...stop the insanity and foolishness, just hate garrett...no one will fault you
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The legend isn't growing but the excuses seem to be. I saw a post earlier saying that Rico should start because he has longer arms.

It's coming down to measurements now.

What are they going to measure next? :muttley:
 
CowboysFaninHouston said:
so jerry is so dang stupid that he put garrett in place, in charge of a billion dollar franchise and some how managed to grow it even further over the past 8 years...I mean garrett and his dad have to be really two really smart cookies to pull the wool over such a smart and obviously successful businessman and fool him for such a long time......

conspiracies are abound....anything to justify the line of thinking.
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Don't call Jerry stupid! We're bashing Garrett.
 
CowboysFaninHouston said:
rico is talked about here extensively..... doesn't mean anything....did anyone report from the camp? there were plenty of people who report from camp...and don't forget....2016 he was a project, not fully evaluated and we had no idea what we had, he was drafted because of his athletic ability and that what he probably showed..........so a few catches doesn't make him anything...

further evaluations exposed rico was perhaps not a great NFL talent...and again, he hasn't shown he can run any level of complex routes. the routes he was running the other night are extremely simple, which shows the level of his understanding of being an NFL receiver. even last year in the so called "amazing" games he was running simple routes. against lower level competition, you can get away with that...against higher caliber NFL players, you have no chance.

Dez also ran a lot of other routes....you just hung up on the fade, so his value was far more than just the fade route....his skills had declined due to injuries he had over the past few years, but that's a whole other story.... and again and again and again, there is more to red zone offense than a reverse trick play, running zeke and a fade route to a TE...if that's your repertoire then you will be able to run a great peewee flag football team.... and TEs run many routes inside the redzone….witten was a great example and plenty of other TEs in the league not even close to witten's class that do the same...again and again and again...if that's all he can do in the redzone, as a DE I can easily take him out of the game....Rico is not superman...but you sure make him sound like one.

and the issue is not just with blocking, I am sure he can try and block and slow down and get in the way...its knowing his assignments...that's been the issue the whole time with him.....he has not shown any level of consistency in his blocking assignments and that's the story that keeps coming out of camp...furthermore as mentioned....his route running is way too simplistic....he maybe 280 but there is plenty of 250 lb LBs in the league who can run faster than him and can tackle him and can stay with him and are almost as tall....

once again, any DC in the league will neutralize Rico after two weeks of tape if all he can do is fades in the redzone…….
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CowboysFaninHouston said:
omg, the legend grows....he was unstoppable....who reported it? show me some links and reports from the camp....the superman myth grows by the day....

he runs simple routes, nothing complex, and he at this point given his lack of football ability, uses his athletic ability...thus the success you see against 4th and 5th stringers and become infatuated with...watch his catches,,, I am sure one of you fans has a compilation of videos on re-run 24x7 some where..... and you will see the simplicity of his routes.... and this catch radius stuff is over rated.... aquan boldin was small and his catch radius not that big and he was awesome, so was steve smith and I take tavon Austin over Rico 8 days of the week...so stop with that meaningless drivel..... against 6'4" 250 LB LBs that run 4.6 he would be utterly ineffective if he can only run one route and he can only try to do fades in the redzone….I a peewee flag football coach can come up with a defense to take him out of the game..... to be effective in football you have to know football and have football skills, not just size and your new catch phrase you are so desparatley hanging on to..... catch radius...

the fade was ONE of the things Dez did, so don't diminish Dez's ability to pump up rico...Dez did many other things and ran many routes including routes inside the red zone, that made the fade effective....he had an arsenal of moves and other football skills....not just the fade you so desparatley hanging on to again....if that's all he could have done, dez would have been out of the league years ago....

knowing your assignments are not just from reps..... films study....playbook.....meeting rooms....that's where a lot of the learning is done..... and you take it to the field and show it...and if you can't show it in practice after so many reps in practice...then you are football dumb....

and lining him up wide would be the stupidest thing a coach can do....it takes him 3 seconds to get off the line and into his route...by then the play is over....and again, do you think if he lined up wide, a defensive coordinator would match up a CB against him? really!!

my god...you are so simple.... and such a man crush on a almost has been player...all because you hate garrett so much...stop the insanity and foolishness, just hate garrett...no one will fault you
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myth - thought u would be going there - you just hate the idea rico is talented and could succeed that u claim good new as myths. 3 minutes on google showed lots of links.
there is a lot more that was discussed here on cz, but you have to google it yourself. oh and there is one video

landry hat quoting broaddus - https://thelandryhat.com/2017/01/27/cowboys-rico-gathers-tony-romos-weapon/

“I will say this. I had people come up to me and say, cause I was always curious about Rico [Gathers], I had people come up to me and say ‘You ought-of seen what [Tony] Romo did with him today,” football analyst Bryan Broaddus remarked during an episode of The Draft Show this week. “Cause Romo was with him on scout team. And Romo just kept throwing him the ball because he was so much bigger. He was battling [Barry] Church, he’s battling [Byron] Jones, he’s battling [J.J.] Wilcox and [Jeff] Heath. The kid just kept making plays. The problem is not the athletic ability, it’s the mental side…he just hasn’t played football”

from foxsports - https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story...eakout-prospect-tight-end-rico-gathers-022217
According to DallasCowboys.com writer and former NFL scout Bryan Broaddus, Gathers is a player to keep an eye on this season:

I wouldn’t be one bit surprised if Rico Gathers was the player on this roster that makes the biggest jump contribution wise from last season to next season. One of the best things to happen to Gathers was that he had the opportunity to work with Tony Romo. Folks that I had the chance to visit with after the season told me Gathers wore the defense out during these practices.


Bryan Broaddus

✔@BryanBroaddus
Romo wore the defense out with him on scout team. [URL='https://t.co/0ZJC7W1Cch']https://twitter.com/nickcrsen/status/833504512866447365 …[/URL]

7:33 PM - Feb 19, 2017
 
CowboysFaninHouston said:
what if another team pics rico up and he continues to stink it up and be average.

your argument is based on the ASSUMPTION that Rico is a baller....you haven't considered that he may not be given your bias towards hating garrett.
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I have no idea if Rico is a “Baller“ or not, but I am at least smart enough to know you can’t make that kind of judgment based on a few flash plays. No disrespect intended, but the vast majority of fans see what Rico does (at most) 25% of the time. That is when he makes a catch, or leave it down the block, etc. As for the other 75% of snaps, we have absolutely no idea what his responsibility is on the play, and whether or not he carried it out. I give the coaching staff credit for at least knowing that much, and in the end, if he is released, it will be for what they thought was good a reason.

Frankly and honestly, I don’t see how the Cowboys can possibly keep a fourth TE now, especially with the injury situation on the offensive line and in the secondary. Maybe they find a way - and I hope they do – but I just don’t see it happening. If Dallas only ends up keeping three at the position, I’m afraid Rico will be the odd man out.
 
waldoputty said:
so a senior in high school is beating byron jones
great news
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I was talking about him learning the nuances of the game.

I don't think anybody is going deny he's very athletic but there's more to game than that.

Even Rico admits he need to work on his route running and blocking. It would help his cause if he spent more time working on these and other things in his extra time instead of making music. Like I said before, he has a lot of catching up to do.

As far as him beating Byron Jones. "We talkin' bout practice?"
 
BoysfaninVegas said:
I was talking about him learning the nuances of the game.

I don't think anybody is going deny he's very athletic but there's more to game than that.

Even Rico admits he need to work on his route running and blocking. It would help his cause if he spent more time working on these and other things in his extra time instead of making music. Like I said before, he has a lot of catching up to do.

As far as him beating Byron Jones. "We talkin' bout practice?"
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sure
rico at a high school level learning nuances of the game, but kicking the butt of the 1st dbs.
but it is only practice.
wow how sorry are byron jones and others.
yet mcclay saying "we cant stop him" - rico with the high school level brain.
if only the other tight-ends would be unstoppable in practice.
 
waldoputty said:
he has not even ran with the starters, that is why many question if rico is getting a fair shot.
u do recall rico was reported to have been burning the 1st team defense with romo throwing the ball?
it does not count?

so how many catches against 1st teams does schultz have?
u do realize his arms are shorter than a couple dbs on the team.

most do not argue against rico's talent, but u do.
yes, i realize u may have over-extended urself against rico and now invested in his failure.
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You have trouble with reading comprehension. Let me assist you.
I have posted numerous times I hope that Gathers pans out, but he just has not.
I couldn't possibly care less about passes he got from Romo, how is that even relevant now? How many years was that? And we're still talking training camp.
Waaaaa, he's not getting his fair share.. Why do you think that is? Because he's not learning the position.

Keep throwing words in my mouth, especially the childish dig that I'm "invested in his failure." Grow up and accept other opinion other than your fantasy viewpoint.
 
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