Rosenthal's midseason QB rankings - Dak nearly top 10

[DandyDon52]

my top five
1.brady
2.Dak
3.carr
4.brees
5.ryan

 

[Kevinicus]

Again, the guy hadn't played well on the field since 2014.

And since that time he's aged two years with multiple injuries.

He's going to have to show the Cowboys' brain trust what he still has in practice.

He was playing well in 2015 before he got hurt.

 

[BrassCowboy]

Dak isn't having a better season than Luck. Yes, Dak's QB rating is (barely) higher, but he's being asked to do far less. Luck has 4 games with over 300 yards passing. Dak? 0.

Efficiency stats always look better when a QB is being sheltered. I went back and looked at the first 8 starts from a young QB in Carolina. Over those 8 starts, his team was 6-2, he had 7.6 ypa, and a QB rating of 97.5. Was that Cam Newton? Jake Delhomme? Nope, it was the legendary Matt Moore. The starts were from 2007 and then 2009.

Dak is throwing for more yards than Moore, but similar to Moore the games where he had a high QB rating were all games where the number of pass attempts were in the 24-32 range. Until young QB's are asked to do more--meaning more pass attempts and accruing more yardage--their stats will always be skewed. It's apples and oranges.

Is Dak clearly better than Moore? Of course. After all, there was a reason his starts were spread over two seasons and in both cases they came toward the end of the year. But I used the stats from a career nobody to illustrate a point. A lot of those efficiency stats don't show what you think they show. And neither does team record.

Yes , makes sense but are you not sure the running game has nothing to do with this ?

 

[Broges74]

He was playing well in 2015 before he got hurt.

Not really, no. Not like he was in 2014 for sure. He's hit his peak and most certainly by on the downhill sloop of career effectiveness. The quarterback you knew is gone it's just a matter of what he has left and how much he can leverage his experience minus his declining physical abilities. This Romo would not be able to etc to 8-8 with the cast of JAGs he had around him in 2011-2013. Don't fool yourselves into believing 36 year old QB with the injury history Tony has had will be at the same level as years past. Father time sits still for no man.

 

[Kevinicus]

Not really, no. Not like he was in 2014 for sure. He's hit his peak and most certainly by on the downhill sloop of career effectiveness. The quarterback you knew is gone it's just a matter of what he has left and how much he can leverage his experience minus his declining physical abilities. This Romo would not be able to etc to 8-8 with the cast of JAGs he had around him in 2011-2013. Don't fool yourselves into believing 36 year old QB with the injury history Tony has had will be at the same level as years past. Father time sits still for no man.

I would take the current Romo over the 2011-2013 Romo, thanks.

If you simply look at stats, no Romo wasn't quite at 2014 level (most seasons don't have ANY qbs at that level), but watching the games, it was the same guy.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

He was playing well in 2015 before he got hurt.

He was OK, but he wasn't to the level of 2014.

 

[T-RO]

Amazing how many recently-dominant teams are garbage this year. Packers, Ravens, Panthers, Seahawks, Cardinals all either had their QB crap themselves, or the whole team turned into trash overnight.

There has been notable 'shrinkage' in the NFC, but the narratives are different and not necessarily fully played out.

-Panthers and Seahawks have had broken offensive lines
-Packers- Rogers has banged up skill players and seems to have the yips
-Cardinals-Carson Palmer is looking his age, 36

 

[Broges74]

-Cardinals-Carson Palmer is looking his age, 36

The same age as Tony. A singe instance in a vast history of them that point to why I wonder what we might get when he returns.

 

[T-RO]

The same age as Tony. A singe instance in a vast history of them that point to why I wonder what we might get when he returns.

Many Romo fans like to ignore the age. I'm a Romo fan that must acknowledge it. There are a few QBs able to be effective past that age. A few.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Many Romo fans like to ignore the age. I'm a Romo fan that must acknowledge it. There are a few QBs able to be effective past that age. A few.

It isn't anywhere near as uncommon as people make it out to be, if one were to actually do the research. The biggest obstacle for a QB to make it to age 36 is that they aren't very good, not that they are old. Or to put it another way, most QBs retire from the league healthy and unwanted, not old and bad.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

I thought the same... especially Wilson.

Seattle's offense is probably worse than Cleveland's.

 

[Broges74]

It isn't anywhere near as uncommon as people make it out to be, if one were to actually do the research. The biggest obstacle for a QB to make it to age 36 is that they aren't very good, not that they are old. Or to put it another way, most QBs retire from the league healthy and unwanted, not old and bad.

If you aren't very good then you don't make it as a starter into your mid 30s. I've done the research and cared to take a look at the methods they use. the arm strength isn't an issue for most until close to 40. it's the reduced reaction time, mobility, decreased information processing speed and accumulated injuries that limit older QBs. While Tony could very well be effective to 38 and beyond , the odds are against him

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Many Romo fans like to ignore the age. I'm a Romo fan that must acknowledge it. There are a few QBs able to be effective past that age. A few.

And it's not just the age, it's the injuries too. You put them both together and they spell disaster.

 

[T-RO]

And it's not just the age, it's the injuries too. You put them both together and they spell disaster.

Yeah I was re-watching highlights from game 1 of 2015. He tweaked his back several times in that game. Still played a very good game, but his spinal column is suspect. It's hard for me to see him still standing through a 4-6 game stretch.

 

[DandyDon1722]

Oops sorry, I accidentally came into the Romosexual room.

That's okay - the room you're in, the one where everybody believes QB's are the sole reason team's win Super Bowls is probably pretty lonely.

 

[Clove]

That's okay - the room you're in, the one where everybody believes QB's are the sole reason team's win Super Bowls is probably pretty lonely.

This is the NO SUPER BOWL WINNING room.

 

[Kevinicus]

He was OK, but he wasn't to the level of 2014.

The team wasn't. I think he was. But it was only a game and a half.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

The team wasn't. I think he was. But it was only a game and a half.

It's like this... And I posted this thought before...

I don't care who starts... I really don't.

I just want the BEST guy out there.

If the Cowboys' coaching staff sees Romo in practice and says, "Hey, this guy is still on the top of his game!" and they choose to start him, then I'm A-OK with that. I was one of the cadre that was very pleased that Romo was signed as an undrafted free agent (SBK... er... Risen Star was one also) and "campaigned" for his unseating of Drew Deadslow.

If they think Prescott is the better option and Tony should be the back-up, then I'm fine with that too.

 

[Bleu Star]

11) Dak Prescott, Dallas Cowboys (Preseason: 27)

Prescott's ability to finish with a flourish against Philadelphia helped erase what was otherwise his toughest career start. That ability to fight through adversity has impressed coach Jason Garrett and owner Jerry Jones, who all but confirmed the Dallas quarterback decision is made. They are going to keep playing Prescott until he compels them to do otherwise.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...ex-derek-carr-ascending-in-midseason-rankings

He belongs in the top 10 but I will gladly take #11.