Roy covering Shockey-->>Whose Idea?

[PBJTime]

No, he played poorly on that play. Your argument is that in the match-up between a TE and SS, there is no way Roy could have won. This essentially means that no matter what, Roy is divested of any blame in coverage.

No, my argument is that there are occasions where the other team just executes perfectly and there's very little chance of stopping it.

That is total B.S. If Roy had played closer to Shockey, which any SS can do, and made Shockey work for the ball, before Shockey ran plus 10 yards into the end-zone untouched, you would have a case. But he did not.. Shockey ran untouched into the end-zone, and than simply turned around, and Eli made an easy pass.

Do you ever watch ANY other SS's in the league, seriously? Shockey makes that catch against any other SS in the league too.

Absolutely not. Roy, in his first two years, use to scare the living hell out Shockey and make him ineffective. I recognize that Roy has coverage abilities, so I don't buy into this hype that it is a mismatch for Roy. I think Roy is playing slower, because he is a lot bigger than his first two seasons, when he was flying all over the place.

Ok, just answer this simple question. What strong safety would we not want to have Witten isolated with for a whole game? Pick one safety that you wouldn't love to have against Witten, one on one.

The fact is Wade made defensive adjustments to counteract what the Giants were doing in the first half with Shockey. Shockey was 3 passes away from his record mark in the FIRST-HALF. It is obvious he was effective, considering the game was tied by half-time.

Shockey was effective...and it was made clear that it wasn't all on Roy. That's what happens when you play a team that has several weapons. You take some away and others will have a field day.

And they still silenced Burress in the SECOND-HALF, when Wade made adjustments to counteract the effectiveness of Shockey.

Then that sounds like they had the wrong gameplan to begin with.

This is just a tired argument.

 

[MrMom]

and you know this how exactly? did you speak with Wade Phillips about this? Maybe it was during that "Anthony Henry sux" conversation you have with him from time to time



David

exactly what i want to know when it comes to adam's breakdowns.




mrmom

 

[smarta5150]

I didn't read all 9 pages but Wade actually praised RW for his job on Sunday.

 

[GoBigD]

I didn't read all 9 pages but Wade actually praised RW for his job on Sunday.

thats probly because RW is doing exactly whats asked of him to the best of his abilities. its not his fault jj pays him what he pays him. what is he supposed to do, turn it down?

 

[smarta5150]

thats probly because RW is doing exactly whats asked of him to the best of his abilities. its not his fault jj pays him what he pays him. what is he supposed to do, turn it down?

Easy buddy. I am a RW supporter.

 

[DallasDomination]

we have some embarrassingly stupid fans...its sad to say it, but its true...th original post in this thread was one of the dumbest...some people are acting like Shockey had 20 catches for 400 yds and 3 tds...when in fact most of his receptions were little short ones...never mind the fact that the guy they are blaming for all the receptions didnt even cover him for alot of them

like I said...embarrassingly stupid

David

You call other people stupid because they dont agree with you?

You think everybody pointing at Roy over His bad coverage is because this one game? IF YOU DO THEN YOU ARE THE STUPID ONE LOL.

look at yourself before you call other fans stupid. like your on a golden chariot or something.

 

[GoBigD]

Easy buddy. I am a RW supporter.

sry but it wasnt entirely directed towards you. just sick of all these rw haters and their rw hating threads. heh

 

[smarta5150]

sry but it wasnt entirely directed towards you. just sick of all these rw haters and their rw hating threads. heh

Since you pretty new here all I can say is get used the to the Roy hate around here : there is plenty of it unfortunately.

 

[GoBigD]

seems that way on every forum u go to. RW is the topic of some of the longest threads ive seen so far. only problem with all these RW haters is that theyre the only ones hating since the cowboys staff seemed to be pretty pleased with his efforts.

 

[smarta5150]

seems that way on every forum u go to. RW is the topic of some of the longest threads ive seen so far. only problem with all these RW haters is that theyre the only ones hating since the cowboys staff seemed to be pretty pleased with his efforts.

I think the main reason that the Dallas fan base hates on RW so much is the expectations they have set in their mind.

People need to expand their horizons a little and watch more that just the Cowboys game every week and really focus in on all these other "stud" STRONG safeties around the league.

If they watch close enough they will realize that all SS have 1 common weakness... coverage ability.

Safeties, specifically STRONG safeties get beat around the league every weekend.

And naturally, being a safety, if you get beat its usually for a big play since you are the LAST level on defense.

 

[AdamJT13]

My power was out after a major wind storm, so I haven't gotten to read this thread since I posted in it last night. I see that I didn't miss much.

Once again, I find it odd how not a single poster can name one other play when Roy was targeted or beaten other than the four catches for 23 yards I mentioned -- and yet many posters continue to claim that Roy played terribly last night simply because Shockey finished with 12 catches for 129 yards.

 

[smarta5150]

My power was out after a major wind storm, so I haven't gotten to read this thread since I posted in it last night. I see that I didn't miss much.

Once again, I find it odd how not a single poster can name one other play when Roy was targeted or beaten other than the four catches for 23 yards I mentioned -- and yet many posters continue to claim that Roy played terribly last night simply because Shockey finished with 12 catches for 129 yards.

Are you really surprised people are ducking your questions?

The blame-game is so much easier when you don't need to actually back up your claims.

 

[khiladi]

I am not a Roy hater... I defend the guy all the time... My gripe is:

1. The TD by Shockey, where he played so far deep that Shockey ran un-impeded into the end-zone. You play deep coverage to stay in-between the player and the end-zone. In this case, Shockey was at least 3 feet in the end-zone, before Roy came up to him, essentially negating the very point of playing that far off. That wasn't a difficult pass for ELi to throw.

2. I think Roy needs to lose some weight, because he looks a little slower to me. I am not knocking his skills, it just seems to me, movement-wise, he is more awkward than his first two seasons, because of the size difference.

Once again, I find it odd how not a single poster can name one other play when Roy was targeted or beaten other than the four catches for 23 yards I mentioned -- and yet many posters continue to claim that Roy played terribly last night simply because Shockey finished with 12 catches for 129 yards.

Jeremy Shockey had 12 catches. 8 of those in the first half. 7 of his catches went for a 1st down, and he had no YAC. 1 of them was a TD, so 8 out of the 12 times he caught the ball, he either scored or got a first down, with no YAC. How many of those that were on Roy, I am not sure. But you can be damn sure that he was a big reason the Giants were sustaining drives in the first half.

There is a reason Wade went to doubling Shockey in the second-half of the game.

 

[zrinkill]

I am still waiting on someone to name a Safety Free or String in the entire League that we would not want to get Witten one on one with .....

Until someone can, this "Roy sucks because Shockey beat him a few times" theory is just weak.

No Safety can cover Witten or Shockey and win that matchup. Not one.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I am still waiting on someone to name a Safety Free or String in the entire League that we would not want to get Witten one on one with .....

Until someone can, this "Roy sucks because Shockey beat him a few times" theory is just weak.

No Safety can cover Witten or Shockey and win that matchup. Not one.

I refuse to read through this entire thread but I challenge you to find someone who said this?

 

[zrinkill]

I refuse to read through this entire thread but I challenge you to find someone who said this?

I challenge you to find where I said someone said it ... I merely named the silly theory myself .....

So did you think of a safety yet?

 

[jterrell]

Ahhh, good old fashioned drama....

As to the OP, the coaching staff decided pressuring Manning and holding Burress in check with an emphasis on run stopping would win the game. They were willing to give Shockey 7 and 8 yard receptions.

It wasn't Roy's finest day but he did his job.
Shockey didn't break a single RW tackle and he never beat RW deep.

RW actually played him like a CB would, keeping him underneath.
For man to man coverage that wasn't anything worthy of insult but was certainly not shut down play either.

In the end 20 points is not much in this NFL so you have to credit the coaches for the game plan not denigrate them.

 

[khiladi]

Ahhh, good old fashioned drama....

As to the OP, the coaching staff decided pressuring Manning and holding Burress in check with an emphasis on run stopping would win the game. They were willing to give Shockey 7 and 8 yard receptions.

It wasn't Roy's finest day but he did his job.
Shockey didn't break a single RW tackle and he never beat RW deep.

RW actually played him like a CB would, keeping him underneath.
For man to man coverage that wasn't anything worthy of insult but was certainly not shut down play either.

In the end 20 points is not much in this NFL so you have to credit the coaches for the game plan not denigrate them.

OK, one more time:

1. Wade clearly said after the first half, that they would double Shockey. This means that the game-plan was adjusted to limit an EFFECTIVE Shockey.

2. 7 of Shockey's catches were for a first down. 1 of the 12 catches he made was for a TD. And none of those were after the catch. I am quite sure that, while the game-plan was to give Shockey the underneath plays, these underneath plays did not include those that essentially mean giving away first downs to sustain Giant drives.

It was essentially in the second-half, when the game plan was adjusted that the Giants offense simply became unproductive.

3. 7 or 8 yard receptions? That is quite a chunk of yardage...

4. 17 of those 20 points you mentioned were in the first-half, before Shockey was doubled.

 

[joseephuss]

I am not a Roy hater... I defend the guy all the time... My gripe is:

1. The TD by Shockey, where he played so far deep that Shockey ran un-impeded into the end-zone. You play deep coverage to stay in-between the player and the end-zone. In this case, Shockey was at least 3 feet in the end-zone, before Roy came up to him, essentially negating the very point of playing that far off. That wasn't a difficult pass for ELi to throw.

2. I think Roy needs to lose some weight, because he looks a little slower to me. I am not knocking his skills, it just seems to me, movement-wise, he is more awkward than his first two seasons, because of the size difference.




Jeremy Shockey had 12 catches. 8 of those in the first half. 7 of his catches went for a 1st down, and he had no YAC. 1 of them was a TD, so 8 out of the 12 times he caught the ball, he either scored or got a first down, with no YAC. How many of those that were on Roy, I am not sure. But you can be damn sure that he was a big reason the Giants were sustaining drives in the first half.

There is a reason Wade went to doubling Shockey in the second-half of the game.

I think your point about Roy playing off of Shockey on the TD is one that deserves more investigation. I have seen other posts that talk about how Bradie James was trying to get into coverage underneath Shockey, but got pushed out by another Giants tight end. If James indeed try to provide underneath help, then it makes sense why Roy would play off of Shockey. He knew he had help underneath and was protecting against the fade route with the taller Shockey.

 

[TVMan]

4. 17 of those 20 points you mentioned were in the first-half, before Shockey was doubled.

And 10 of those came from stupid penalties by other players not named Roy.