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[TheMarathonContinues]

So they don't trust Gallup but just restructured him a month ago? Something don't add up there in that analysis. Either the Cowboys have no problem with Gallup and you aren't accurate or the Cowboys are really dumb and kicked more cap hits into the future despite not trusting him.

Yeah I’m honestly confused…..unless we are assuming Lamb has a future here? I guess it’s possible they want insurance for Lamb?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I see Peter King picked Mayer right in front of us in his mock draft. King has become a Cowboys troll lately. I still can’t believe he said Purdy was better then Dak.

His clicks must be out bad….must really need the viewership.

 

[cnuball21]

The only reason some would even consider Hyatt in the first is that the WR class is depressed this year. Throw Hyatt into that Lamb class and he'd be a bottom half of the 2nd round, at best, WR.

Maybe…but I don’t see much difference in him and Fuller as a prospect and he went bottom of the 1st. We’re drafting this years group of players so we have to grade them accordingly for this class.

 

[baltcowboy]

Two things here

• As Stephen stated, Gallup returned from his injury way too early after missing TC and preseason and it showed. There is no reason to think he's not fully healthy and ready to go.
• Since when have Jerry and Stephen planned ahead on player acquisition? To think they are using a 1st or 2nd round pick at WR to be 4th on the depth chart ?

If you pay attention MM seems to be the one giving out false information but the Joneses can’t seem to keep themselves from spilling the beans. I hope they are sending out misinformation but I doubt it. Piss Jerry off enough he will show the Cowboys draft board.

 

[cnuball21]

He has a limited route tree. He struggles at getting off the line in press coverage. He had questionable feel for zone defenses, often running himself into coverage as he didn't understand what the defense was doing.

He's much closer to 1 trick pony than a complete WR.

He had over 3 yards per route run against man and zone…so that’s incorrect.

And I just listed out all the routes he could come in and effectively run day 1…yes he can continue to sharpen his route running and expand his tree but he didn’t run fade routes every play at TN.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Not sure all 8 will definitely go before 58.

That being said, taking a WR at 26 is just dumb but every once in awhile this franchise gets stupid in the draft so nothing would surprise me at this point.

I trust them in the first thought. Even after Taco….I don’t understand it but if they went receiver in the first it means they have a issue at receiver that I don’t see.

 

[baltcowboy]

Most importantly it’s only one wide receiver in probably the second round. The Cowboys need to fill the position. I only trust CeeDee and Cooks. Even if Gallup is healthy and Tolbert steps up you need a 5th receiver in today’s NFL.

 

[Sheepherder]

First two picks realistically could be receivers. Hmmm……

I still want a OL and DL before WR.

Dallas would suprise everybody if they drafted a defensive tackle in the first two rounds.

 

[Cowboyny]

I see Peter King picked Mayer right in front of us in his mock draft. King has become a Cowboys troll lately. I still can’t believe he said Purdy was better then Dak.

King has NY bias and hates the Cowboys. Let's see what Purdy does this yr before annoiting him. Teams now have an offseason to figure out his weaknesses.

 

[baltcowboy]

Dallas would show everybody if they drafted a defensive tackle in the first two rounds.

I hope they pick two defensive players in the first two rounds.

 

[Sydla]

He had over 3 yards per route run against man and zone…so that’s incorrect.

And I just listed out all the routes he could come in and effectively run day 1…yes he can continue to sharpen his route running and expand his tree but he didn’t run fade routes every play at TN.

It's not incorrect. There was a video posted here from one of the draft analysts who showed situations where Hyatt was basically running himself into coverage because he didn't understand the zone being played. Here's one analysis of his game tape from college:

• Biggest weakness - limited route running - Hyatt ran an extremely limited route tree at Tennessee as he mainly ran deep overs, go’s, wheels, and hitches. He ran the off slant or dig but those were few and far between.
• On the majority of his routes Hyatt was a sufficient (5) at best route runner with some looking mediocre (4). He displayed no ability to create natural separation within 15 yards. He did not run routes with any advanced tendencies nor were they very crisp. He did not snap routes off at the stem and often broke them down too much, before breaking one way.
• When running hitches, Hyatt did not step on the corner (speeding up before snapping it back) to try and get them to believe it was a vertical route. He maintained one speed and body shape throughout the route before he snapped it back to present a target.
• There were a few instances in which he allowed the ball to travel into his body rather than trying to get it with his hands.
• He did not show much of an understanding of zone coverage and sitting it down in the soft spots.
• Hyatt ran the majority of his routes from the slot but did not have the route running savvy or ability to create separation within 15 that an NFL slot receiver should have.
• Hyatt did not snap in and out of his breaks very quickly. He was not slow to get his hips around, but he was not advanced either, grading out as somewhere around sufficient (5).
• He was used in a decent amount of motion, so he rarely had to face a press rep from a defender. This leaves a lot of unknown as to how he will handle this at the NFL level. When corners did try and get tight to him, he did not show off any hand usage or anything like that, that would indicate he will be able to handle it at the pro level.

Here's another analysis from PFN that says his zone work is restricted by his inexperience but he often runs less than sharp routes to take advantage of zone and often struggled to sit in the soft spots of zone.

Hyatt’s feel in zone is restricted by his experience, as he doesn’t always sit in holes or flatten routes.

He's a project. I have little issue if we took him at say 58, as it's less of a stretch at 58. But at 26? Mistake.

Part of the biggest problem with Hyatt is projecting him. He played in a very specific scheme in college. He also played a ton of slot. He wasn't asked to run many of the NFL routes that require quality route running.

He's a big risk at 26.

 

[cnuball21]

It's not incorrect. There was a video posted here from one of the draft analysts who showed situations where Hyatt was basically running himself into coverage because he didn't understand the zone being played. Here's one analysis of his game tape from college:


He's a project. I have little issue if we took him at say 58, as it's less of a stretch at 58. But at 26? Mistake.

Ok…so he’s done it on film before probably like a million other prospects.That doesn’t change the fact that metrics back up that he shredded both man and zone coverages.

YPRR Against Zone Coverage

1.)Rashee Rice: 3.85
2.)Jalin Hyatt: 3.51
3.)Trey Palmer: 3.47
4.)Quentin Johnston: 3.25
5.)Ronnie Bell: 3.08
6.Xavier Hutchinson:2.86
7.)AT Perry:2.57
8.)Parker Washington:2.47
9.)Tank Dell:2.39
10.)Zay Flowers:2.14
11.) Josh Downs:2.05

 

[ErikWilliamsHeadSlap]

There will be no WR drafted in the 1st round. Maybe 1 at a push. Maybe.

 

[Sydla]

Ok…so he’s done it on film before probably like a million other prospects.That doesn’t change the fact that metrics back up that he shredded both man and zone coverages.

It's a consistent comment made across multiple analysis.

The dude is raw as hell. He's far from a complete WR. He's got a lot to clean up before being an effective NFL WR. Multiple analyses have said the same thing - his route running and his route tree need expansion because he wasn't asked to run a lot of NFL style routes and when he did, they often lacked precision. He worked in the slot much of his time at UT and sometimes in motion as Heupel wanted to keep DBs off of him because he struggled at press and could be bumped off routes easily. What do you think he's going to see in the pros?

But he runs fast and beat up Bama. So we have to take him at 26. LOL. You guys just fall in love with speed and ignore everything else I guess. Dude has major bust factor at 26. He'd be one of my more disappointing choices at 26. I'd rather take one of the TBs at 26 and I loathe the concept of using a first round pick on a running back.

 

[Sydla]

Ok…so he’s done it on film before probably like a million other prospects.That doesn’t change the fact that metrics back up that he shredded both man and zone coverages.

YPRR Against Zone Coverage

1.)Rashee Rice: 3.85
2.)Jalin Hyatt: 3.51
3.)Trey Palmer: 3.47
4.)Quentin Johnston: 3.25
5.)Ronnie Bell: 3.08
6.Xavier Hutchinson:2.86
7.)AT Perry:2.57
8.)Parker Washington:2.47
9.)Tank Dell:2.39
10.)Zay Flowers:2.14
11.) Josh Downs:2.05

This stat doesn't tell you if he understands zone and can find the soft spots in a zone and sit down.

When he catches a ball against zone it tends to go for big plays (which as many analsyts have pointed out, much of Hyatt's success was tied to scheme and Heupel's offense). But it doesn't show you if he understands zone concepts that a high profile NFL WR will need to understand. Only the tape can show you how he attacks a zone or is he understands what a defense is doing to he cuts a route short to sit down in a soft spot of zone.

He's a bad pick at 26.

 

[cnuball21]

It's a consistent comment made across multiple analysis.

The dude is raw as hell. He's far from a complete WR. He's got a lot to clean up before being an effective NFL WR. Multiple analyses have said the same thing - his route running and his route tree need expansion because he wasn't asked to run a lot of NFL style routes and when he did, they often lacked precision. He worked in the slot much of his time at UT and sometimes in motion as Heupel wanted to keep DBs off of him because he struggled at press and could be bumped off routes easily. What do you think he's going to see in the pros?

But he runs fast and beat up Bama. So we have to take him at 26. LOL. You guys just fall in love with speed and ignore everything else I guess. Dude has major bust factor at 26. He'd be one of my more disappointing choices at 26. I'd rather take one of the TBs at 26 and I loathe the concept of using a first round pick on a running back.

Every WR prospect has negatives. Lamb and Bryant’s route running needed refinement coming out of college and they turned out ok. It’s an area of improvement but it’s being way overblown…and refuted by metrics that actually show how well he played against zone last year.

And again, speed is only part of his game. There’s a ton of players in CFB that can run in the 4.3s…none of which put up like he did.

 

[cnuball21]

This stat doesn't tell you if he understands zone and can find the soft spots in a zone and sit down.

When he catches a ball against zone it tends to go for big plays (which as many analsyts have pointed out, much of Hyatt's success was tied to scheme and Heupel's offense). But it doesn't show you if he understands zone concepts that a high profile NFL WR will need to understand. Only the tape can show you how he attacks a zone or is he understands what a defense is doing to he cuts a route short to sit down in a soft spot of zone.

He's a bad pick at 26.

Aka it doesn’t match up to your opinion.

 

[Sydla]

Aka it doesn’t match up to your opinion.

Doesn't match up to a lot of opinions. Only a handful think the guy is a first round pick. Most have him where I would take him - in the 2nd round.

 

[big dog cowboy]

For them to do this something must be off on Gallup and or Tolbert

I don't think that's the case. They must be overloading that position to avoid the criticism like they received last year.

From everything I read it sounds like both those players are on track.

 

[cnuball21]

Doesn't match up to a lot of opinions. Only a handful think the guy is a first round pick. Most have him where I would take him - in the 2nd round.

Ok. Onwards.