RUMOR: San Diego RB Michael Turner for a 2nd round pick

A thought just struck me. Bear with me while I do some math.



Julius Jones, 2nd round Draft pick.

2896 career rushing yards, 16 TDs
469 career receiving yards

Barely worth a 3rd round draft pick, per most on this site.




Michael Turner, 5th round Draft pick...in the exact same draft.

941 career rushing yards, 5 TDs
55 career receiving yards

A bargain at the asking price of a 2nd round pick, per some in this thread.




Am I missing something?
 
Use these formulas to make sense of the contradictions:

Actual productivity + games played = garbage

Actual productivity + games played + unrealized hype = gold
 
Hostile;1431378 said:
A thought just struck me. Bear with me while I do some math.



Julius Jones, 2nd round Draft pick.

2896 career rushing yards, 16 TDs
469 career receiving yards

Barely worth a 3rd round draft pick, per most on this site.




Michael Turner, 5th round Draft pick...in the exact same draft.

941 career rushing yards, 5 TDs
55 career receiving yards

A bargain at the asking price of a 2nd round pick, per some in this thread.




Am I missing something?
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Not really - although is that really relevant, unless there are specific people in here with contradicting views?

I don't think there's any way the Chargers get any more than a second round pick - if that. People get all excited by a few highlight runs, and seeing the guy spelling LaDainian Tomlinson breaking a few.

The Chargers will not get what they think they're gonna get for him. AJ Smith bunged up the RFA tender, overpricing Turner in that avenue, and now he's gonna get left with his pants down (again) letting possibly a talented player walk after next year for nothing.

Lots of backup RBs look nice in their complimentary role. This guy hasn't borne any significant load at any time, he's just hyped for some ridiculous reason.

Aveion Cason thinks he's awesome. So does Rashard Lee. There is NO WAY the Chargers get a second round pick for Michael Turner.
 
yeah, he is great. Brees gone for nothing, no WR's, all coaches on a superbowl contender gone. Sound like Smith is a great GM.

Turner for a second would be a good deal for Dallas. Trade Jones for say a third round pick and the RB position is very good.
 
superpunk;1431443 said:
Yeah.

But the second I questioned whether the people you talked about actually existed...:(
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Aw gotcha.

Nothing hurts worse than a stubbed toe.
 
superpunk;1431392 said:
Not really - although is that really relevant, unless there are specific people in here with contradicting views?

I don't think there's any way the Chargers get any more than a second round pick - if that. People get all excited by a few highlight runs, and seeing the guy spelling LaDainian Tomlinson breaking a few.

The Chargers will not get what they think they're gonna get for him. AJ Smith bunged up the RFA tender, overpricing Turner in that avenue, and now he's gonna get left with his pants down (again) letting possibly a talented player walk after next year for nothing.

Lots of backup RBs look nice in their complimentary role. This guy hasn't borne any significant load at any time, he's just hyped for some ridiculous reason.

Aveion Cason thinks he's awesome. So does Rashard Lee. There is NO WAY the Chargers get a second round pick for Michael Turner.
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Larry Johnson had 666 yards , 4.5 yards a carry , and 10 TDs through his first 2 years .

Tiki barber had 935 yards , 3.8 yards a carry , and 3 TDs through his first 3 years .

It's just as fair to compare success like this as it is to compare failures like Cason and Lee . It can work both ways you know . I'm not interested in giving up JJ or a second round pick , but my being a big Turner fan is based on a whole lot more than "getting excited about a few highlight runs" .
 
This "rumor" might be true, but if so, it would not apprear very logical.

If I am not mistaken, the Chargers tendered Turner a contract that would require a first round and a third round pick as compensation. That would seem to indicate that they do not want to let him go. If they truly are willing to let him go for a mere second round pick, why wouldn't they have just tendered him an offer that would have netted them just a first round pick instead. If they were willing to let him go it made no sense to overpay him if some team did not take him off their hands. Then again maybe they were trying to inflate his value in terms of draft picks, but I think there is a significant difference in the contract value of a 1st/3rd tender as opposed to a 1st round tender.

This would seem to indicate that either this rumor has no basis in fact, or that something has changed since the 1st/3rd tender was offered.
 
JIMMYBUFFETT;1431454 said:
Larry Johnson had 666 yards , 4.5 yards a carry , and 10 TDs through his first 2 years .

Tiki barber had 935 yards , 3.8 yards a carry , and 3 TDs through his first 3 years .

It's just as fair to compare success like this as it is to compare failures like Cason and Lee . It can work both ways you know .
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Certainly it can. I just don't see it. The guy comes in and runs pretty hard, breaks some tackles after the league's best RB comes out of the game. I think he has a bit of an advantage. He's got good size and speed, but he is not an every down back, IMO. He is a far less intriguing player than even Marion Barber is.

And he's not worth a second, to any team - I doubt the Chargers will even sniff that.
 
michael turner
marion barber
troy hambrick

gosh, some cowboys fans seem to be enamored with back-up running backs. i like the starters, myself.




(not down on turner i particular, though. actually, i hoped, during the draft when turner was taken, that we would pick him... i think it was in the fuorth round. if i remember correctly, he was taken about 10 spots before our choice. still, it isn't like we've gone down the toilet without him.)
 
DallasEast;1431389 said:
Use these formulas to make sense of the contradictions:

Actual productivity + games played = garbage

Actual productivity + games played + unrealized hype = gold
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:laugh1:
 
Edge James, Shaun Alexander, Larry Johnson, and Frank Gore would ALL be back-ups on the Chargers. There are just not that many carries that you are going to be afforded. Thus, you have to look at what he does when given the opportunity. All he does is make plays. He has made plays in Big games. He has shown that he is hard to bring down even against the best defenses. I am not saying that the Cowboys will pick him up, but the kid is a player.
 
bayarealightning;1431491 said:
Edge James, Shaun Alexander, Larry Johnson, and Frank Gore would ALL be back-ups on the Chargers. There are just not that many carries that you are going to be afforded. Thus, you have to look at what he does when given the opportunity. All he does is make plays. He has made plays in Big games. He has shown that he is hard to bring down even against the best defenses. I am not saying that the Cowboys will pick him up, but the kid is a player.
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we're not doubting that he's a player, just whether he's worth a 2nd round pick

I think that's an awful lot for a relatively unproven back-up in a great situation
 
Hostile;1431378 said:
A thought just struck me. Bear with me while I do some math.



Julius Jones, 2nd round Draft pick.

2896 career rushing yards, 16 TDs
469 career receiving yards

Barely worth a 3rd round draft pick, per most on this site.




Michael Turner, 5th round Draft pick...in the exact same draft.

941 career rushing yards, 5 TDs
55 career receiving yards

A bargain at the asking price of a 2nd round pick, per some in this thread.




Am I missing something?
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You are missing LT. Put each player on the other team and what kind of stats does each put up.

Well, that and everyone being sure that their scouting is excellent. I think Turner is great, so therefore he is. Or I think Julius is great, therefore he is. That kind of thing.

I like Turner. I don't know that I like him enough for a 2nd round pick. I like Julius. I dont' think he is worth losing for less than a 2nd round pick and I don't think Dallas can get that much in return for him. No, he is not a 1400 to 1500 yard a season guy, but together with Barber the tandem provides a decent rushing attack. It will be better with a good line. A combo of Barber and Turner would be better with good line, too. I would take Turner straight up for Julius and I would also be content with Julius staying on at least one more year.
 
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