Schefter: Archuleta traded to the Bears

[theebs]

super, i've said here before that i've always thought gibbs was in charge of everything that goes on around Commanders park- personnel and coaching. i dont buy this blame snyder crap. snyder worships gibbs and nobody gets signed to the team without gibbs approval. therefore, moves like bringing in lloyd and arch to overblown contracts ultimately come back to gibbs. gibbs goofed. i dont blame anyone else. maybe he had too much faith in his advisors, maybe he was wrong in his evaluation of these players, but its all on him. i love the guy, but he goofed.

as far as dock, i know boys fans would love to believe that the skins got themselves in so much salary cap hell that they wanted to sign dock but they just couldnt come up with the money. i dont know how else to say it- the guy was practically a bust this time last year. he was on his best day the skins 4th best O lineman. no way in hell were the skins going to pay him 49 mil. not with his history- not based on 6 good games. sometimes, its other teams that overpay free agents.

as for LD, who knows how much they were willing to pay? if the guy turns out to be great, then jerrys gamble paid off. we can all agree that he got a huge contract and that up til now he hasnt been great- just like dock. wade had limited action last year in place of jansen, but he looked great in that limited action. he's a very solid, experienced, cheaply- priced -due- to- his- injury vet. he'll likely play guard unless jansen gets old quickly.

interesting how now its the cowboys dishing out huge contracts for marginal players and the Commanders making smarter, less splashy moves, yet some fans are still critical of the team no matter what they do.

umm we gave one big contract to one player this free agency period. That contract was paid because that is what the market is, you have no choice. We need help on the line and he is a good interior player, you have to pay him because of the structure of free agency.

Didnt wade a backup, get essentially the same money as marc columbo our starting right tackle? That seems like bad business to me, unless wade is starting this year somewhere on your line.

So please get your facts straight, we have given one large contract for one marginal player, not many. In the end if davis plays guard he has a chance to be a very good player. This signing, at market value allows us to hot have to reach or force a rookie into a starting spot on the line.

We have 10 draft picks and now have no emminent problem areas, the draft can be used to draft players who we can develop and replace larger contract players like a davis in a few years.

Your team has a problem on the line still and no draft picks to fill that void. Joe Gibbs hates playing young players also, maybe more than anyone in this league so that could become a major problem area next year, especially since your passing game will be predicated on the deep ball with campbell back there.

 

[Hostile]

i think it has to do with the fact that his contract appeared to make him untradable. skins fans are happy that they found a team not only willing to take some of that burden, but to actually give the skins a draft pick as well.

believe me, most skins fans are wondering what the hell they were doing in the first place giving that kind of cash to arch. everybody knew the knocks on the guy, we just trusted that gibbs and the staff knew what they were doing. they sure as hell didnt.

Sorry Riggo, but not everybody. I got into quite a debate here about how good he was especially teaming up with ST. Skins fans on this site were giddy, giddy I tell you, about you guys getting him. The strangest argument by far was "yeah, well his wife is hot." I have no idea what that has to do with playing SS, but then I am often confused at what you guys celebrate. No offense is meant, but I wonder about this all the time. One of your "smartest fans" has tainted my views a bit. I can give you a couple of examples if you want clarification, but suffice it to say, I wouldn't be relieved or happy if I were in yoru shoes. I would be pissed. Then again, I always seem to come across as pissed.

 

[zrinkill]

the Commanders making smarter, less splashy moves, yet some fans are still critical of the team no matter what they do.

Huh? what smart moves?

 

[AsthmaField]

Huh? what smart moves?

When the Commanders run out of money and can't get anyone worth a crap in free agency, they simply say the Commanders are "getting smarter" with their moves.

Reality is that they can't afford what they need because of all the stupid spending they've done in past seasons. Of course those moves were viewed as "smart" by the Commander fans then too.

 

[zrinkill]

Wow ...... I guess vastly overpaying mediocre players and then cutting your loses the very next year is the definition of "Smart Moves" .......

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

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Reality is that they can't afford what they need because of all the stupid spending they've done in past seasons. Of course those moves were viewed as "smart" by the Commander fans then too.

Sooo, if you are the Commanders FO and assume you have no cap worries, who would you sign out of this year's FA crop, at the prices they went for? Was anyone actually worth the coin they made this offseason? Was anyone going to fill a key whole for the Commanders?

It is incredible. Last year Cowboy fans considered Dockery a bum, this year he is the 2nd coming of Larry Allen

 

[superpunk]

Sooo, if you are the Commanders FO and assume you have no cap worries, who would you sign out of this year's FA crop, at the prices they went for? Was anyone actually worth the coin they made this offseason? Was anyone going to fill a key whole for the Commanders?

It is incredible. Last year Cowboy fans considered Dockery a bum, this year he is the 2nd coming of Larry Allen

You're struggling with comprehension. Where are all these posts praising Dockery?

The point is, it is not a fiscally responsible DECISION if there was no decision to actually make. You couldn't resign Dockery. That's not being smart. That's being forced.

 

[zrinkill]

Sooo, if you are the Commanders FO and assume you have no cap worries, who would you sign out of this year's FA crop, at the prices they went for? Was anyone actually worth the coin they made this offseason? Was anyone going to fill a key whole for the Commanders?

Well you guys offered Davis more money than we did ...... but he said ......"Nahhh I have already played for the Cardinals once."

 

[Hostile]

Sooo, if you are the Commanders FO and assume you have no cap worries, who would you sign out of this year's FA crop, at the prices they went for? Was anyone actually worth the coin they made this offseason? Was anyone going to fill a key whole for the Commanders?

It is incredible. Last year Cowboy fans considered Dockery a bum, this year he is the 2nd coming of Larry Allen

I never have considered Dockery a bum. No way is he in the same sentence as Larry Allen. But thanks for trying to stereotype me again.

 

[random Cs]

Guys, I understand why you don't like Adam Archuleta. Do any of you remember me laughing at you for acquiring him for that ridiculous sum of money? I just don't understand the joy exhibited.

For example, the Cowboys acquired Marcellus Wiley a couple of years ago, albeit not as the highest paid DE in the NFL, but that's beside the point. I don't remember celebrating when we released him. I do remember being pissed that he stunk so bad.

Because it looked like we were going to pay him his 5mil RB for being our backup SS this next season.

 

[riggo]

You have 1,000 posts on a Cowboys message board. This should be the first and last time that happens. Congrats!

my God. i need a hobby.

 

[riggo]

That's what I keep saying. It isn't that they chose to do those things... it's because they didn't have the ability to resign Dock or Sign Davis. They couldn't because they're in partial cap he** and suddenly Commander fans are saying they they're being responsible? Give me a break. They can't get those guys because they're pretty flush up against the cap and can't hand out anything big.

They had so many holes that they *had* to get a MLB and after paying him there is very little left for much else besides draft picks... and they don't have many of those.

It wasn't a decision they came to... they can't. Not without cutting a ton of players.

well, i've explained a couple of times how there was no way they were paying an underachieving dock that kind of coin. i cant say how bad they wanted LD, but it seems they gave him a good offer. i'm not just saying this cuz he went to the boys, but i am glad they didnt sign LD. you wont concede that maybe- just maybe- the skins decided what they were going to pay and stuck by it. its clear LD wanted to play for dallas, so its unlikely the skins were going to try to outbid dallas. hell, if i were a conspiracy buff, i'd applaud the skins for- possibly- driving up his price with their offer.

as far as paying fletcher, that was a very reasonable deal for a guy thats a solid as he is. and the fact that he played for williams in buffalo and is the QB of the D- which is exactly what we needed- its amazing he didnt get more $.

 

[riggo]

umm we gave one big contract to one player this free agency period. That contract was paid because that is what the market is, you have no choice. We need help on the line and he is a good interior player, you have to pay him because of the structure of free agency.

'overpaying' is almost always a debatable thing. one could argue that whoever is the highest bidder overpays practically by definition. the market was definitely primed for underacheiving O linemen, and a couple of them got paid. on thing we can agree on is that its a hell of alot of money for a guy with some ???'s. but, its not our money, so what the heck.

Didnt wade a backup, get essentially the same money as marc columbo our starting right tackle? That seems like bad business to me, unless wade is starting this year somewhere on your line.

So please get your facts straight,

irony, thy name is theebs. fyi, its been announced that the skins plan on playing wade at guard in docks spot.

we have given one large contract for one marginal player,

i agree with you 100%

Your team has a problem on the line

nope.

 

[theebs]

'overpaying' is almost always a debatable thing. one could argue that whoever is the highest bidder overpays practically by definition. the market was definitely primed for underacheiving O linemen, and a couple of them got paid. on thing we can agree on is that its a hell of alot of money for a guy with some ???'s. but, its not our money, so what the heck.



irony, thy name is theebs. fyi, its been announced that the skins plan on playing wade at guard in docks spot.





i agree with you 100%



nope.

ok. If you think wade at guard is a good thing that is your deal. I am also curious as to how you dont have a problem on your line, your tackles are old and you have zero depth and no draft to speak of.

and it is my money going to these players, I have season tickets, pay expensive parking and I am a sunday ticket subscriber so I contribute as much or more than 90 % of the fans around the country to the nfl.

Again though, that is market value for the player. We needed help there bad, if we didnt make this move we would be in a situation that you guys are in, question mark at guard and the hope of finding someone in the draft, or playing a guy at guard with limited ability.

 

[AsthmaField]

as far as paying fletcher, that was a very reasonable deal for a guy thats a solid as he is. and the fact that he played for williams in buffalo and is the QB of the D- which is exactly what we needed- its amazing he didnt get more $.

Hiya Riggo.

I never said that Fletcher was a bad pick-up for you guys... although I do think at his age the contract you gave him might be a tad too much. Plus, LB's in a 4-3 scheme arent hard to come by, as evidenced by Williams being able to plug-and-play at LB for you guys.

That's a different argument though. I'm simply saying that the Commander fans are acting like Snyder learned his lesson and decided not to spend big this year, when they simply didn't have the money to spend.

Shortly before March 2nd the Commanders were like $4 million below the cap after restructuring some contracts. That's including the money you have to pay the rookies you draft, any undrafted free agents from the draft that may sign, and the money you had to use to do something with Archuleta. That's just not much.

It's funny how the team acts like they're trying to decide on a big name free agent and then says, naaaa, we don't want him... and all the Commander fans are yelling, "yea!! we got smart" Those same fans were giddy last year with the signings of Archuleta, Randel El, Lloyd and Carter. "Woo Hoo! Our passing game is going to be unstoppable and Carter is FAST!!"

Incidently, Randal El is probably the only signing there that the skins wish like heck they had never done... and they might be doing that with Randal El.

The year before those signings, all we heard was how Danny had learned his lesson. He had let Smoot walk, Pierce walk and hadn't signed much of anyone. "Woah... Danny had learned his lesson and boy he wasn't going to overpay for Smoot or Pierce, no siree."

When in truth, he simply was in cap he** and didn't have the money to pay his own solid players because of all his unwise spending in the past. Still Commander fans beleived that Gibbs didn't want to pay Smoot more than Springs and Pierce more than Washington. Please...

The next season, Danny and Gibbs go hog wild in free agency and sign some of the craziest contracts we have ever seen. AA and B. Lloyd getting that kind of money? Gosh. See... no lesson learned.

This year, the Skins again have no room because of those very same crazy contracts to AA, Lloyd, Carter, et. al., and they're turning away guys left and right because they don't have money except for one desperate need at MLB and some scrub free agent pickups like Ross, etc.

Danny hasn't learned his lesson any more than he did two years ago, IMO. I suppose we'll have to wait until the Skins aren't slammed up against the cap to find out though.

 

[Hostile]

Because it looked like we were going to pay him his 5mil RB for being our backup SS this next season.

Yeah, got that already. Where's your outrage? Is it so bad in Redskinsland that all you can feel is relief?

 

[riggo]

ok. If you think wade at guard is a good thing that is your deal. I am also curious as to how you dont have a problem on your line, your tackles are old and you have zero depth and no draft to speak of.

and it is my money going to these players, I have season tickets, pay expensive parking and I am a sunday ticket subscriber so I contribute as much or more than 90 % of the fans around the country to the nfl.

Again though, that is market value for the player. We needed help there bad, if we didnt make this move we would be in a situation that you guys are in, question mark at guard and the hope of finding someone in the draft, or playing a guy at guard with limited ability.

i do like wade at guard. hes about the same age as jansen- 30, 31. samuels will be 30 this year. they arent spring chickens, but they arent quite old. of all the O linemen last year, only jansen missed one game- thats when wade stepped in. the O line helped account for 161 rushing yards and 0 sacks. the skins got lucky with the health of the line last year. they are looking at zach pillar, i believe, as we speak. if hes healthy, he can play guard.

depth caught up with the skins last year. when springs and prioleau went down, all hell broke loose in the secondary. they've got both back with smoot and stoutmire back with the team- both with experience with williams and the skins. depth is looking better.

i actually agree with you about spending money on the team- it really is our money!

 

[Bob Sacamano]

since when did dock become anthony munoz?

i was browsing old washington post blogs/Q and A thingys from the 2005 season yesterday and one point a fan brought up was like this- "the whole O line seems to be playing great- except for dockery. whats with this guy?".

last year at this time, the guy was the weakest link on the line, (and hes still no better than the skins 4th best O lineman behind jansen, thomas and samuels) today, he's got a 49 mil contract because he played well for the final 6 games of last season??? sorry, but with the skins on overpay mode for the last half dozen years, i applaude the decision to let dock go.

we'll see how wade steps in for the irreplacable dockery.

did you see KC Joyner's stats for runs at Dockery's position?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

interesting how now its the cowboys dishing out huge contracts for marginal players and the Commanders making smarter, less splashy moves, yet some fans are still critical of the team no matter what they do.

it's the fact that the guys who you sign to ridiculous contracts, it's always you being the only organization who is pursuing them at that price

for instance, New York, Dallas and Washington offered Leonard Davis a big chunk of change, New York actually offered the most, so unlike you, we weren't alone in offering Davis a contract far above his worth, we're paying the market value, while you guys go way above market value for players

 

[Hostile]

At this point I think I'd crack up if Archuleta failed his Bears physical.