Schefter: Archuleta traded to the Bears

[Bob Sacamano]

Made the most out of a sorry terrible situation. All you can ask for

you actually made very little and he's still costing you

 

[jobberone]

skins have actually been better than dallas- overall and playoff-wise -since danny took over.




or before. eh, that doesnt work for ya. sorry.



you'd get arguments from your own board about that one. about a 20 page thread last week as i recall.



you'd have to win 1 first for anything to qualify as a "streak".











just messin with ya.

I'm glad you're just messing with me. I just said in another thread we didn't have much to crow about in regards to Philly. They have pretty much owned us the last decade. I don't have to eat a lot of crow regarding the Skins. I state every year we can't take the Skins for granted. But you guys got some catching up to do. If you want to count your playoff wins the last decade go ahead. You're doing better than us. But neither of us has sniffed a NFC championship much less a SB in awhile.

 

[jobberone]

Mea culpa I was wrong

We take that cap hit this year (the accelerated bonus)

However we don't have any of that 7.2 million which would have been incurred next year or after a June 1st cap hit

Basically the way his contract was structured he was either owed that 5 million dollar bonus, or his salary the next 3 years was guranteed. The Commanders got out of THAT 5 million

But you are correct, the original 5 million dollar bonus accelerated and gave us the hit of about 4 million this year

My bad

Not to worry. The Skins have some great fans. Too bad we both have to suffer at times.

 

[Hostile]

Yup ......


I guess they figure it's not a strike year so who cares .....

they're basically just making a big deal out of escaping their own mess

Skins replaced Troy Vincent and Adam Archuleta with Omar Stoutmire.

 

[LowTech]

Skins replaced Troy Vincent and Adam Archuleta with Omar Stoutmire.

I'm unsure of whether to laugh or cry about the whole situation.





...................Well, I'd be laughing so hard I would cry.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Skins replaced Troy Vincent and Adam Archuleta with Omar Stoutmire.

that is funny

it's back to square 1 for them

 

[LowTech]

I believe with Stoutmire its go directly to jail, do not pass go or collect $200

 

[random Cs]

Do I understand the Skins fans correctly, they are pleased that they got a 6th round pick for him?

Yes.
The way his contract was structured it seemed impossible for us to trade or cut him.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Yes.
The way his contract was structured it seemed impossible for us to trade or cut him.

YOur happy because you only got screwed slightly after a MAJOR frig up? I guess everything is relative but youre not a better team for this.

 

[silverbear]

Skins replaced Troy Vincent and Adam Archuleta with Omar Stoutmire.

And Derrick Dockery with... wait for it... TODD WADE!!!

Or Zach Piller, if they can get him to sign on...

It's just upgrades all over the place for the Skins this offseason...

 

[riggo]

But neither of us has sniffed a NFC championship much less a SB in awhile.

true nuff.

 

[riggo]

And Derrick Dockery with... wait for it... TODD WADE!!!

since when did dock become anthony munoz?

i was browsing old washington post blogs/Q and A thingys from the 2005 season yesterday and one point a fan brought up was like this- "the whole O line seems to be playing great- except for dockery. whats with this guy?".

last year at this time, the guy was the weakest link on the line, (and hes still no better than the skins 4th best O lineman behind jansen, thomas and samuels) today, he's got a 49 mil contract because he played well for the final 6 games of last season??? sorry, but with the skins on overpay mode for the last half dozen years, i applaude the decision to let dock go.

we'll see how wade steps in for the irreplacable dockery.

 

[superpunk]

sorry, but with the skins on overpay mode for the last half dozen years, i applaude the decision to let dock go.

Let's be honest - Joe Gibbs could come in and take a dump on your desk and you would applaud his decision to let that go, too.

I hardly think they deserve applause for not having the funds to retain a young piece of their Oline.

we'll see how wade steps in for the irreplacable dockery.

It probably would have worked out better if you had gotten leonard Davis, like you wanted - but maybe you'll move Jansen to guard and Wade to tackle?

 

[Hostile]

better then eating his contract and getting nothing.

It's basically trying to get ANYTHING out of a lost cause

Don't see how hard that is to understand Hostile

Either get nothing except a major cap hit, or get a 6th round pick and AA off the books after 2007

Made the most out of a sorry terrible situation. All you can ask for

Yes.
The way his contract was structured it seemed impossible for us to trade or cut him.

Guys, I understand why you don't like Adam Archuleta. Do any of you remember me laughing at you for acquiring him for that ridiculous sum of money? I just don't understand the joy exhibited.

For example, the Cowboys acquired Marcellus Wiley a couple of years ago, albeit not as the highest paid DE in the NFL, but that's beside the point. I don't remember celebrating when we released him. I do remember being pissed that he stunk so bad.

 

[riggo]

Let's be honest - Joe Gibbs could come in and take a dump on your desk and you would applaud his decision to let that go, too.

I hardly think they deserve applause for not having the funds to retain a young piece of their Oline.



It probably would have worked out better if you had gotten leonard Davis, like you wanted - but maybe you'll move Jansen to guard and Wade to tackle?

super, i've said here before that i've always thought gibbs was in charge of everything that goes on around Commanders park- personnel and coaching. i dont buy this blame snyder crap. snyder worships gibbs and nobody gets signed to the team without gibbs approval. therefore, moves like bringing in lloyd and arch to overblown contracts ultimately come back to gibbs. gibbs goofed. i dont blame anyone else. maybe he had too much faith in his advisors, maybe he was wrong in his evaluation of these players, but its all on him. i love the guy, but he goofed.

as far as dock, i know boys fans would love to believe that the skins got themselves in so much salary cap hell that they wanted to sign dock but they just couldnt come up with the money. i dont know how else to say it- the guy was practically a bust this time last year. he was on his best day the skins 4th best O lineman. no way in hell were the skins going to pay him 49 mil. not with his history- not based on 6 good games. sometimes, its other teams that overpay free agents.

as for LD, who knows how much they were willing to pay? if the guy turns out to be great, then jerrys gamble paid off. we can all agree that he got a huge contract and that up til now he hasnt been great- just like dock. wade had limited action last year in place of jansen, but he looked great in that limited action. he's a very solid, experienced, cheaply- priced -due- to- his- injury vet. he'll likely play guard unless jansen gets old quickly.

interesting how now its the cowboys dishing out huge contracts for marginal players and the Commanders making smarter, less splashy moves, yet some fans are still critical of the team no matter what they do.

 

[riggo]

Guys, I understand why you don't like Adam Archuleta. Do any of you remember me laughing at you for acquiring him for that ridiculous sum of money? I just don't understand the joy exhibited.

For example, the Cowboys acquired Marcellus Wiley a couple of years ago, albeit not as the highest paid DE in the NFL, but that's beside the point. I don't remember celebrating when we released him. I do remember being pissed that he stunk so bad.

i think it has to do with the fact that his contract appeared to make him untradable. skins fans are happy that they found a team not only willing to take some of that burden, but to actually give the skins a draft pick as well.

believe me, most skins fans are wondering what the hell they were doing in the first place giving that kind of cash to arch. everybody knew the knocks on the guy, we just trusted that gibbs and the staff knew what they were doing. they sure as hell didnt.

 

[superpunk]

interesting how now its the cowboys dishing out huge contracts for marginal players and the Commanders making smarter, less splashy moves, yet some fans are still critical of the team no matter what they do.

True enough. Davis is a gamble - it's the only one we've taken this offseason - certainly not three ridiculous deals and trading away of multiple draft picks for players you'd now like to cut or just let walk. The Commanders organization is a disaster, and they deserve alot of bashing. It seems their sole redeeming quality is their ability to manipulate the salary cap and get out of the moronic contracts they dole out while minimizing the damage.

Whoopdeedoo.

I don't think any of us are really praising the Davis signing. It's a wait and see thing around here, because he seems better suited at guard, but we really don't know. It's not like we've now decided that our OL is the best in the NFC on paper (think back to last year's WR corp discussions) or that our Oline has no holes now (think back to last year's secondary discussions)...we're a bit mroe rational than that.

The point is not that the moves you are currently making suck - it's that they were inescapable. You couldn't have resigned Dockery. You weren't able to sign Davis. These are not moves deserving of applause. Rather, they are the result of years of thumb-in-*** decisions that Snyder and then Gibbs have been guilty of. They deserve disdain, not applause - no matter how it works out in the end. Being forced into a decision is not the same as making one. Yet, Gibbs continues to take a dump on your desk, and you applaud him for being fiscally responsible.

 

[riggo]

they deserve alot of bashing. It seems their sole redeeming quality is their ability to manipulate the salary cap and get out of the moronic contracts they dole out while minimizing the damage.

i ahve bashed them for their dumb moves. on that we can agree.

The point is not that the moves you are currently making suck - it's that they were inescapable. You couldn't have resigned Dockery. You weren't able to sign Davis. These are not moves deserving of applause. Rather, they are the result of years of thumb-in-*** decisions that Snyder and then Gibbs have been guilty of. They deserve disdain, not applause - no matter how it works out in the end. Being forced into a decision is not the same as making one. Yet, Gibbs continues to take a dump on your desk, and you applaud him for being fiscally responsible.

but they only deserve disdain if they were moves the skins actually wanted to make at those prices. you assume- and i understand completely why you do- that the skins were going to sign dock or davis at any price and couldnt afford to. i'll go deeper with the dock situation- the skins could have given him an extension last year at a very reasonable price. but with the guy underachieving for 4 years here, why would they? he had the size and the skills, he just underperformed. so in his contract year- not even that- for the final 6 games in his contract year- he plays at a high level and he hits the jackpot. i'll ask you- is that the kind of guy you give a near record contract?

i'm sure every team in the NFL would like nate clements on their roster- but for 80 mil? sometimes teams just pay outrageous contracts that other teams wont match under any circumstances. i know this too well.

 

[superpunk]

i ahve bashed them for their dumb moves. on that we can agree.

You have 1,000 posts on a Cowboys message board. This should be the first and last time that happens. Congrats!

but they only deserve disdain if they were moves the skins actually wanted to make at those prices. you assume- and i understand completely why you do- that the skins were going to sign dock or davis at any price and couldnt afford to.

I certainly think that's reasonable.

In Davis' case, their offer was at least good enough to make him think it over before signing with us. Something he didn't do for NY.

i'll go deeper with the dock situation- the skins could have given him an extension last year at a very reasonable price. but with the guy underachieving for 4 years here, why would they? he had the size and the skills, he just underperformed. so in his contract year- not even that- for the final 6 games in his contract year- he plays at a high level and he hits the jackpot. i'll ask you- is that the kind of guy you give a near record contract?

No. And that's exactly why I was against the kind of money we gave Gurode initially. Although now, after these deals came down, Gurode's money is nearly inconsequential.

But still, the Skins could not have matched the money Dockery got even if they wanted to.

 

[AsthmaField]

The point is not that the moves you are currently making suck - it's that they were inescapable. You couldn't have resigned Dockery. You weren't able to sign Davis. These are not moves deserving of applause. Rather, they are the result of years of thumb-in-*** decisions that Snyder and then Gibbs have been guilty of. They deserve disdain, not applause - no matter how it works out in the end. Being forced into a decision is not the same as making one. Yet, Gibbs continues to take a dump on your desk, and you applaud him for being fiscally responsible.

That's what I keep saying. It isn't that they chose to do those things... it's because they didn't have the ability to resign Dock or Sign Davis. They couldn't because they're in partial cap he** and suddenly Commander fans are saying they they're being responsible? Give me a break. They can't get those guys because they're pretty flush up against the cap and can't hand out anything big.

They had so many holes that they *had* to get a MLB and after paying him there is very little left for much else besides draft picks... and they don't have many of those.

It wasn't a decision they came to... they can't. Not without cutting a ton of players.