Schefter: Archuleta traded to the Bears

[skinsngibbs4life]

please, Rogers has looked terrible 2 years running, while Newman was great as rookie, and actually had a good year in '04

looked terrible? Who were you watching? Rogers had a very successful rookie year (while still being injured nearly half the year).

Last year he struggled, however, despite our defensives ability to pass rush, he showed some signs of shining. He had some of his best games against the leagues best passing offenses (New Orleans most notably)

Don't let your level or Commander hatred diminish the ability of another.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

looked terrible? Who were you watching? Rogers had a very successful rookie year (while still being injured nearly half the year).

Last year he struggled, however, despite our defensives ability to pass rush, he showed some signs of shining. He had some of his best games against the leagues best passing offenses (New Orleans most notably)

Don't let your level or Commander hatred diminish the ability of another.

one of your own gave him the "burnt-toast" label his rookie year, sorry, he has not looked close to what Newman did his 1st 2 years

and haven't you guys learned your lesson already comparing our players? Sean Taylor is better than Roy Williams :laugh2:

 

[skinsngibbs4life]

one of your own gave him the "burnt-toast" label his rookie year, sorry, he has not looked close to what Newman did his 1st 2 years

and haven't you guys learned your lesson already comparing our players? Sean Taylor is better than Roy Williams :laugh2:

Where did I once compare Rogers to Tnew? Or anyone else on your team for that matter?

just because someone else made a comparrison between the two doesnt mean I did as well. And just because Rogers didnt play as well a Newman doesnt make him a bad player either. If you use Newman to compare all the corners in the league, I guess by your standards most corners in this league are just flat out dreadful, huh?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Where did I once compare Rogers to Tnew? Or anyone else on your team for that matter?

I was responding to riggo trying to make a comparison between Newman and Roger's 1st 2 years, I'm sorry you don't want to play

If you use Newman to compare all the corners in the league, I guess by your standards most corners in this league are just flat out dreadful, huh?

let's make a deal then

you guys just don't say Rogers and Newman in the same paragraph ok?

 

[riggo]

I was responding to riggo trying to make a comparison between Newman and Roger's 1st 2 years, I'm sorry you don't want to play

actually crown royal brought it up.

i'll give newman his props- i think hes underrated. but its funny you brought up 'burnt toast' as a nickname for rogers. i found the same moniker for newman thrown around by cowboy posters on this very site during his second year. if rogers turns out to be like newman his third year, i'll be happy.

bob sacamano = summerisfunner? interesting...

 

[BigDFan5]

Mea culpa I was wrong

We take that cap hit this year (the accelerated bonus)

However we don't have any of that 7.2 million which would have been incurred next year or after a June 1st cap hit

Basically the way his contract was structured he was either owed that 5 million dollar bonus, or his salary the next 3 years was guranteed. The Commanders got out of THAT 5 million

But you are correct, the original 5 million dollar bonus accelerated and gave us the hit of about 4 million this year

My bad

Thanks for coming back and admitting the mistake, some wouldnt do that.

Yeah getting out of the 5 mill roster bonus was good, otherwise they wouldnt have cut him this year IMO

 

[BigDFan5]

Now this part is not true

The Commanders spent 5 million on AA last year, however will spend nothing on him this year. That is how the deal got done

The cap hit is coming from the SB from last year, as BigDFan correctly pointed out to me

no, i think that is wrong, last years money and cap is closed out, i believe the 4 mill is on this years cap.

Go re-read what Big D posted, the Skins have a 4 mill SB to pay out and because he is now gone it will all be put into THIS year Cap...the 5 mill last season was his salary and the portion of the SB (1.6 mil aprox.)......See a SB can be spread out for the life of a contract and since his ended this season, the skins have to eat it in this years cap. The Bears picked up the roster bonus and guarantee money.........like i said 10 mill (9.something) and one year of arch deluxe for a 6th round pick!

No no no

Here is the breakdown for this year's cap hit, had he stayed in Washington. He was due a 5 million dollar bonus, but deffered it and now Chicago is picking that up

595 salary
1 mil SB proration (from his 5 million dollar SB paid out last year)
.833 option bonus proration (this years 5 mil, which would have been spread out over the remaining life of the contract)

= 2.428 mil cap figure this year.

What happened is the remaining 4 million dollar bonus that was prorated over the next 4 years was accelerated to this year

So now we take a 4 million dollar cap hit, a difference of about 1.6 million had we kept him

The 5 million dollar bonus he was owed this year is no longer relevant because he deffered it and the Bears picked that up in the contract he signed with them

HYou guys are almost on the same page, while Hokie is arguing actual dollars paid 5 mill plus last years salary, dffl is arguing cap used, which will be close to 10 million over 2 years

 

[BigDFan5]

As a matter of fact, from today's Washington Times

http://www.washingtontimes.com/sports/20070321-125818-1305r.htm

Archuleta received a $5 million signing bonus last year, $4 million of which eventually will count against Washington's salary cap. It's believed the Commanders will use one of their June 1 exceptions so that Archuleta will count only $1.5 million against the cap this year, with the rest coming in 2008.

Someone needs to write elf a email and let him know when a player is traded the cap hit comes in that same year, June 1 has notghing to do with trades

 

[AsthmaField]

Someone needs to write elf a email and let him know when a player is traded the cap hit comes in that same year, June 1 has notghing to do with trades

I'm not sure... but I think that if a player is cut or traded after June 1, then the remaining cap hit is spread out over this year and next, as opposed to just this year.

At least I think that's how it goes. If I'm wrong, somebody correct me.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I'm not sure... but I think that if a player is cut or traded after June 1, then the remaining cap hit is spread out over this year and next, as opposed to just this year.

At least I think that's how it goes. If I'm wrong, somebody correct me.

I think it's if they're cut or traded before June 1st, that you can spread the cap hit out

 

[AsthmaField]

I think it's if they're cut or traded before June 1st, that you can spread the cap hit out

Ah... okay. Is it cut and traded, or just cut? I'm honestly not sure.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Ah... okay. Is it cut and traded, or just cut? I'm honestly not sure.

just cut

 

[Hostile]

Do I understand the Skins fans correctly, they are pleased that they got a 6th round pick for him?

 

[zrinkill]

Do I understand the Skins fans correctly, they are pleased that they got a 6th round pick for him?

Yup ......


I guess they figure it's not a strike year so who cares .....

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Do I understand the Skins fans correctly, they are pleased that they got a 6th round pick for him?

they're basically just making a big deal out of escaping their own mess

 

[skinsngibbs4life]

Do I understand the Skins fans correctly, they are pleased that they got a 6th round pick for him?

better then eating his contract and getting nothing.

It's basically trying to get ANYTHING out of a lost cause

 

[Bob Sacamano]

better then eating his contract and getting nothing.

It's basically trying to get ANYTHING out of a lost cause

it's funny, when we trade a player for a 6th round pick, it's "yay, 6th round pick", you guys are like, "whew, that was close" lol

 

[5Stars]

It's basically trying to get ANYTHING out of a lost cause

You're catching on....!


Stick around...and learn how a real team is built...or you can lie...again?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

also, when we get a 6th round pick out of a trade, it's "yay, 10 draft picks", when the Skins do it, it's "yay, 3 draft picks"

I could make fun of the stink's stupidity all day

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

Do I understand the Skins fans correctly, they are pleased that they got a 6th round pick for him?

Don't see how hard that is to understand Hostile

Either get nothing except a major cap hit, or get a 6th round pick and AA off the books after 2007

Made the most out of a sorry terrible situation. All you can ask for