Schefter today: growing sense Zeke short suspension **merged**

[TheFinisher]

Apparently, as you suggest, this is a 'final' attempt to insult Jerry, for being a maverick and in support of player and individual team rights over the years. A $12 billion dollar business that is still under the thumb of power wielders... has a chosen 'dog' to enforce convenience of will.

To retain credability, this mud slinging has to go down quickly now, or the NFL is exposed...and you bring up Jerry. Here, Jerry has a burden, as he is already deeply system loyal. That is why his anger even showed...not a self serving arrogance.

Exactly, this is rightfully a massive story, yet ironically has little to do with Ezekiel Elliott.

 

[TheFinisher]

Finisher, thanks for the discussion. Your talk reveals an invested concern for out Cowboys, which is mine as well. Those NFL yahoos better get this right, and not another corporate overpriced move for their benefit. The fans might have some teeth in this decision...and won't stand by and take it with every thing else that has gone down against the Dallas Cowboys.

p.s. Where's a Player's Association announced stance? Or do they just receive increased income by walking through an arbitration process?

That's my concern, the NFLPA has been publicly silent for over a year. One would think this situation is exactly what they were originally formed for.

 

[CCBoy]

Exactly, this is rightfully a massive story, yet ironically has little to do with Ezekiel Elliott.

Dead center of issue, my friend...I'm putting on my kevlar with a smile.

 

[aria]

The Rooney's and the Mara's have been tied together with organized crime and professional football since the 1930's... this is actually common knowledge for anyone who is educated on the history of pro football. The family members have openly admitted this was the case. There are books on this topic... find them and educate yourself before speaking on something you're ignorant on.

With that being said, getting back to the thread...

This is all about the league still trying to make up for the PR fallout from the Ray Rice thing. The fact that they've dragged Zeke's investigation out for over a year would make them look like they have no idea what they're doing (true) if their investigation amounts to nothing.

Thus the 1-2 game rumors, even though DV has been stated by Roger himself to now be 6 games minimum. 1-2 games means they didn't find anything, but want to save face and act like they give a **** about women.

The problem is, this is the worst possible case they could have chosen to flex their muscle on DV. There is overwhelming evidence the accuser made this entire story up... to the point where this was never even pursed seriously by Ohio police or the district attorney. There are actually written witness accounts by her own friends that stated she asked them to lie for her, confirmed by text messages. Those bruises on her arms that she posted on Facebook accusing Zeke? Well, there's surveillance video of her getting into a fight with a girl at a club the night she claimed he gave them to her. He told her he's breaking up with her... her response? I'm going to ruin your career.

The NFL is choosing to crucify an innocent man and slap him with the DV label that he will carry the entirety of his career.

Oh BTW, Lisa Friel, the league's head investigator on DV issues and the one driving this witch hunt, also happens to be a devout lifelong Giants fanatic, complete with a decade plus of season ticket holder status and a shrine room in her home dedicated to the team with memorabilia, prints, autographs, etc.

Guess which team benefits from Zeke serving a 1 game suspension?

You're right, I'm ignorant on how the mob and ties to the Rooneys and Mara's effect the Cowboys. Please enlighten me. I understand Friel is a lifelong Giants fan and season ticket holder and it's definitely easy to point the finger but there is no proof she is out to get the Cowboys. Does Goodell not have the final say? Are you that naive that you think everyone from the top down in the NFL including officials don't have a favorite team? If you think the NFL shouldn't hire anyone in any capacity that holds season tickets then I'm all for it but that doesn't make someone automatically guilty of being corrupt. Jerry has "ties" to Blandino who does and can have a direct effect on the outcome of games (unlike the mob) so I guess we should throw the Jones family into the group of corrupt owners. Instead of getting in good with Goodell he decided to go for the head of officials, very smart!

The NFL should run background checks on every official/referee to find out who their favorite team was growing up and talk to their friends and family to make sure they have lost all feelings for that team and have showed no emotion or bias to that team since officiating in the NFL. I'm willing to bet there are quite a few officials who grew up being Cowboys fans so I guess they're bias as well.

You say the NFL is out to crucify an innocent man and there hasn't even been a verdict plus it's possible we don't know all the facts yet. Since you're also assuming he will be suspended for game 1, I guess you think the NFL has been planning this for years. Friel, Goodell and anyone else in charge of scheduling have had the Cowboys play the Giants as the first game of the season for the past several years just so it wouldn't look so obvious when they suspend Zeke in 2017. Lol. You busted them! Even though the allegations occurred before last season they wanted to wait until this year to see how much of an impact Zeke made in the 2 games against the Giants last year (which was minimal compared to the way he played against other teams) before they decided to suspend him specifically for game one of this year. They sure wouldn't want to drag out just a few more months until a playoff game when it would really hurt, they want to do it against a team that beat them twice last year. Makes total sense, I don't know how I didn't see this.

I'd honestly love to continue the conversation if you're not such a jerk but PM me so we don't highjack this thread, I've told @Trouty I'll try to be better I'm not going to continue the conversation here anymore.

 

[CCBoy]

That's my concern, the NFLPA has been publicly silent for over a year. One would think this situation is exactly what they were originally formed for.

They are all about procedure and general rewards...they don't win a lot of merited individual cases. Time is always attached to an arbitration process and favors the accuser.

A 'special' investigator was appointed to water just this system and to abort a long established system of right and wrong and even corporate level corruptions.

Kind of like removing property law rights from the current legal system, that developed from early form of law in England.

In today's legal system, union representatives are often on ego trips that love the process and cash flow above fighting to end blood flows. That, or the Supreme Court would be approached on the level of denial to right of personal protections. This is denial of contractually guaranteed income in the face of supplanting the actual legal system of criminal.

Think the WWF would be collectively laughing their backsides off over the reasons for this?
I do, as would the NBA, Hockey, etc.

 

[CCBoy]

You're right, I'm ignorant on how the mob and ties to the Rooneys and Mara's effect the Cowboys. Please enlighten me. I understand Friel is a lifelong Giants fan and season ticket holder and it's definitely easy to point the finger but there is no proof she is out to get the Cowboys. Does Goodell not have the final say? Are you that naive that you think everyone from the top down in the NFL including officials don't have a favorite team? If you think the NFL shouldn't hire anyone in any capacity that holds season tickets then I'm all for it but that doesn't make someone automatically guilty of being corrupt. Jerry has "ties" to Blandino who does and can have a direct effect on the outcome of games (unlike the mob) so I guess we should throw the Jones family into the group of corrupt owners. Instead of getting in good with Goodell he decided to go for the head of officials, very smart!

I guess the NFL should run background checks on every official/referee to find out who their favorite team was growing up and talk to their friends and family to make sure they have lost all feelings for that team and have showed no emotion or bias to that team since officiating in the NFL. I'm willing to bet there are quite a few officials who grew up being Cowboys fans so I guess they're bias as well.

You say the NFL is out to crucify an innocent man and there hasn't even been a verdict plus it's possible we don't know all the facts yet. Since you're also assuming he will be suspended for game 1, I guess you think the NFL has been planning this for years. Friel, Goodell and anyone else in charge of scheduling have had the Cowboys play the Giants as the first game of the season for the past several years just so it wouldn't look so obvious when they suspend Zeke in 2017. Lol. You busted them! Even though the allegations occurred before last season they wanted to wait until this year to see how much of an impact Zeke made in the 2 games against the Giants last year (which was minimal compared to the way he played against other teams) before they decided to suspend him specifically for game one of this year. They sure wouldn't want to drag out just a few more months until a playoff game when it would really hurt, they want to do it against a team that beat them twice last year. Makes total sense, I don't know how I didn't see this.

I'd honestly love to continue the conversation if you're not such a jerk but PM me so we don't highjack this thread, I've told @Trouty I'll try be better I'm not going to continue the conversation here anymore.

He describes process and remedies of direction...there. You have become personally offensive, and there is a huge difference in a discussion.

Emotion and agitated responses don't make up the discussion. Facts aren't as easily dispelled, as is a conspiracy theory. This isn't close to a grassy knoll, here.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Prepare for there to be no,or a very short, 2020 season. The players will finally stand up for themselves and get a decent bargaining agreement.

To those who have not thought about that yet, a war is coming. The situation will be very different than last time and could get pretty ugly. The players know they got taken advantage of before. Add in all the crap Goodell has done since then. The owners should prepare for labor unrest.

 

[aria]

He describes process and remedies of direction...there. You have become personally offensive, and there is a huge difference in a discussion.

Emotion and agitated responses don't make up the discussion. Facts aren't as easily dispelled, as is a conspiracy theory. This isn't close to a grassy knoll, here.

Yeah, telling me to educate myself and calling me ignorant on a subject that I didn't even mention (Mara's and Rooney's ties to organized crime) isn't personally offensive or being a jerk. Ok pal.

 

[CCBoy]

Yeah, telling me to educate myself and calling me ignorant on a subject that I didn't even mention (Mara's and Rooney's ties to organized crime) isn't personally offensive or being a jerk. Ok pal.

Damn, take a second and look at that emotional burst. One expands boundaries of real considerations in a discussion...whether that was what one focused upon or not. That is discussion...don't make a statement, and not at least consider additional facts as well, as what will occur. That, or just don't respond in anger. To point out discussive disadvantages in base concepts, not personality...is valid. When ignored, and on purely an emotional basis, then that starts to appear more in a personal vein.

You are OK, guy....just be realistic in a discussion of different elements.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

This is nothing new. The CBA says it doesn't have to be a legal issue to suspend a player. It just has to be detrimental to the league. Been that way for a long time now.

I think the point is being lost here.

If Player X gets into a bar fight or dust up at a club that's caught on video, is detained/arrested, but charges are eventually dropped, I think we all can agree based on the current bargaining agreement that there's at least a basis for the NFL suspending a player without pay due to "detrimental conduct."

However, if Player X gets accused of being in a bar fight, the incident is investigated, there is no arrest, no charges filed (or they are ultimately dropped after further investigation), then the accusation is effectively false. At that point, what is the NFL basing its suspension in for "detrimental conduct" if it's been determined the player never participated in the very conduct that's supposedly detrimental?

 

[TheFinisher]

Yeah, telling me to educate myself and calling me ignorant on a subject that I didn't even mention (Mara's and Rooney's ties to organized crime) isn't personally offensive or being a jerk. Ok pal.

This would be a good launching pad if you truly are open to learning more about this;

https://www.amazon.com/Interference...&sr=8-1&keywords=interference+organized+crime

The long-running but secret alliance of pro football and gambling has been chronicled thoroughly in the book Interference: How Organized Crime Influences Professional Football, by Dan E. Moldea (Morrow). In the early 1920s, one George Halas turned to Charles Bidwill, a bootlegger, gambler, racetrack owner, and associate of Chicago’s Al (Scarface) Capone’s mob, to finance the Chicago Bears. Later, Bidwill bought the Chicago Cardinals. The Bidwill family now owns the Arizona Cardinals.

In 1925, bookie Tim Mara bought the New York Giants. His heirs still have half the team. Notorious gambler Art Rooney took over the Pittsburgh Steelers. His family still controls the team; the Rooney empire is purportedly breaking up so that the racetracks and casinos won’t be mixed with the football team.

But as @CCBoy has said, one does not need this background to understand the dynamics and issues of the current situation surrounding the NFL's investigation and the topic of this thread. It's a flawed enough process on its own.

 

[aria]

Damn, take a second and look at that emotional burst. One expands boundaries of real considerations in a discussion...whether that was what one focused upon or not. That is discussion...don't make a statement, and not at least consider additional facts as well, as what will occur. That, or just don't respond in anger. To point out discussive disadvantages in base concepts, not personality...is valid. When ignored, and on purely an emotional basis, then that starts to appear more in a personal vein.

You are OK, guy....just be realistic in a discussion of different elements.

I'll agree with you somewhat. I think he could of done a better job at suggesting I read a few books and how it's relevant to what we were talking about. Perhaps "There are a few books out there that may help you understand my point of view a little better, I found them very interesting and informative. The books are xyz, check them out and let me know what you think".

His inital response was uncalled for IMO.

 

[aria]

This would be a good launching pad if you truly are open to learning more about this;

https://www.amazon.com/Interference...&sr=8-1&keywords=interference+organized+crime



But as @CCBoy has said, one does not need this background to understand the dynamics and issues of the current situation surrounding the NFL's investigation and the topic of this thread. It's a flawed enough process on its own.

Thank you, thank you, thank you...looks like we got cyber crossed and your last post was more appropriate IMO.

Edit: Looking forward to reading it, I'm buying it on Amazon now.

 

[CCBoy]

I think the point is being lost here.

If Player X gets into a bar fight or dust up at a club that's caught on video, is detained/arrested, but charges are eventually dropped, I think we all can agree based on the current bargaining agreement that there's at least a basis for the NFL suspending a player without pay due to "detrimental conduct."

However, if Player X gets accused of being in a bar fight, the incident is investigated, there is no arrest, no charges filed (or they are ultimately dropped after further investigation), then the accusation is effectively false. At that point, what is the NFL basing its suspension in for "detrimental conduct" if it's been determined the player never participated in the very conduct that's supposedly detrimental?

Lol...what's wrong with this picture? Not lost at all...this fan is over-the-chin full of special privilege or trumped up punishment in the NFL.

(I wasn't political in mentioning trump)

 

[CCBoy]

Thank you, thank you, thank you...looks like we got cyber crossed and your last post was more appropriate IMO.

 

[TheFinisher]

Thank you, thank you, thank you...looks like we got cyber crossed and your last post was more appropriate IMO.

Edit: Looking forward to reading it, I'm buying it on Amazon now.

You may be surprised what you find, but there IS a reason parts of our fanbase raises concern over the possibility of Mara involvement when it appears we get dealt a bogus hand. These are not tinfoil hat conspiracy theories... there's quite a bit of historical evidence that at least supports the foundation of these suspicions. The famous Salary Cap penalty from 2012 was the other recent eyebrow raiser.

When you examine the facts of Zeke's investigation and how the NFL has been handling this, I think it's entirely reasonable to suggest something foul is going down.

 

[Nightman]

I think the point is being lost here.

If Player X gets into a bar fight or dust up at a club that's caught on video, is detained/arrested, but charges are eventually dropped, I think we all can agree based on the current bargaining agreement that there's at least a basis for the NFL suspending a player without pay due to "detrimental conduct."

However, if Player X gets accused of being in a bar fight, the incident is investigated, there is no arrest, no charges filed (or they are ultimately dropped after further investigation), then the accusation is effectively false. At that point, what is the NFL basing its suspension in for "detrimental conduct" if it's been determined the player never participated in the very conduct that's supposedly detrimental?

Damien Wilson is the perfect example....... he may have the charges reduced or dropped after the insurance settlement but he still DID SOMETHING

 

[DejectedFan1996]

A Zeke suspension would force me to cancel my plans of going to the opening game.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Damien Wilson is the perfect example....... he may have the charges reduced or dropped after the insurance settlement but he still DID SOMETHING

Yea I wouldn't have much of a problem with Wilson getting suspended. He's an idiot. He's lucky he doesn't get cut.

 

[lukin2006]

I think it is bs. Listening to Shefter on NFL live it sounds like the NFL investigation team is recommending a short suspension because they can't prove that Zeke did anything concerning domestic violence but they have some type of proof that he did something. Maybe Godell might let it go with a fine. This might be another Brady situation.

I agree to point, but my line of thinking is more like...the NFL spent a 1 1/2 years investigating Zeke and came up with nothing but wants to suspend him just because they can...if the police have cleared him, the NFL has no leg to stand on. The NFL just wants to save face, and personally what little respect I have for the Jones family will turn to no respect if they don't back Zeke 100% publicly. The NFL is a 3 ring circus anymore. No other sports commissioner treats players this way.