Discussion in 'Overtime Zone' started by NorthwestDallas40, Jul 14, 2017.
Exactly, this is rightfully a massive story, yet ironically has little to do with Ezekiel Elliott.
That's my concern, the NFLPA has been publicly silent for over a year. One would think this situation is exactly what they were originally formed for.
Dead center of issue, my friend...I'm putting on my kevlar with a smile.
You're right, I'm ignorant on how the mob and ties to the Rooneys and Mara's effect the Cowboys. Please enlighten me. I understand Friel is a lifelong Giants fan and season ticket holder and it's definitely easy to point the finger but there is no proof she is out to get the Cowboys. Does Goodell not have the final say? Are you that naive that you think everyone from the top down in the NFL including officials don't have a favorite team? If you think the NFL shouldn't hire anyone in any capacity that holds season tickets then I'm all for it but that doesn't make someone automatically guilty of being corrupt. Jerry has "ties" to Blandino who does and can have a direct effect on the outcome of games (unlike the mob) so I guess we should throw the Jones family into the group of corrupt owners. Instead of getting in good with Goodell he decided to go for the head of officials, very smart!
The NFL should run background checks on every official/referee to find out who their favorite team was growing up and talk to their friends and family to make sure they have lost all feelings for that team and have showed no emotion or bias to that team since officiating in the NFL. I'm willing to bet there are quite a few officials who grew up being Cowboys fans so I guess they're bias as well.
You say the NFL is out to crucify an innocent man and there hasn't even been a verdict plus it's possible we don't know all the facts yet. Since you're also assuming he will be suspended for game 1, I guess you think the NFL has been planning this for years. Friel, Goodell and anyone else in charge of scheduling have had the Cowboys play the Giants as the first game of the season for the past several years just so it wouldn't look so obvious when they suspend Zeke in 2017. Lol. You busted them! Even though the allegations occurred before last season they wanted to wait until this year to see how much of an impact Zeke made in the 2 games against the Giants last year (which was minimal compared to the way he played against other teams) before they decided to suspend him specifically for game one of this year. They sure wouldn't want to drag out just a few more months until a playoff game when it would really hurt, they want to do it against a team that beat them twice last year. Makes total sense, I don't know how I didn't see this.
I'd honestly love to continue the conversation if you're not such a jerk but PM me so we don't highjack this thread, I've told @Trouty I'll try to be better I'm not going to continue the conversation here anymore.
They are all about procedure and general rewards...they don't win a lot of merited individual cases. Time is always attached to an arbitration process and favors the accuser.
A 'special' investigator was appointed to water just this system and to abort a long established system of right and wrong and even corporate level corruptions.
Kind of like removing property law rights from the current legal system, that developed from early form of law in England.
In today's legal system, union representatives are often on ego trips that love the process and cash flow above fighting to end blood flows. That, or the Supreme Court would be approached on the level of denial to right of personal protections. This is denial of contractually guaranteed income in the face of supplanting the actual legal system of criminal.
Think the WWF would be collectively laughing their backsides off over the reasons for this?
I do, as would the NBA, Hockey, etc.
He describes process and remedies of direction...there. You have become personally offensive, and there is a huge difference in a discussion.
Emotion and agitated responses don't make up the discussion. Facts aren't as easily dispelled, as is a conspiracy theory. This isn't close to a grassy knoll, here.
To those who have not thought about that yet, a war is coming. The situation will be very different than last time and could get pretty ugly. The players know they got taken advantage of before. Add in all the crap Goodell has done since then. The owners should prepare for labor unrest.
Yeah, telling me to educate myself and calling me ignorant on a subject that I didn't even mention (Mara's and Rooney's ties to organized crime) isn't personally offensive or being a jerk. Ok pal.
Damn, take a second and look at that emotional burst. One expands boundaries of real considerations in a discussion...whether that was what one focused upon or not. That is discussion...don't make a statement, and not at least consider additional facts as well, as what will occur. That, or just don't respond in anger. To point out discussive disadvantages in base concepts, not personality...is valid. When ignored, and on purely an emotional basis, then that starts to appear more in a personal vein.
You are OK, guy....just be realistic in a discussion of different elements.
I think the point is being lost here.
If Player X gets into a bar fight or dust up at a club that's caught on video, is detained/arrested, but charges are eventually dropped, I think we all can agree based on the current bargaining agreement that there's at least a basis for the NFL suspending a player without pay due to "detrimental conduct."
However, if Player X gets accused of being in a bar fight, the incident is investigated, there is no arrest, no charges filed (or they are ultimately dropped after further investigation), then the accusation is effectively false. At that point, what is the NFL basing its suspension in for "detrimental conduct" if it's been determined the player never participated in the very conduct that's supposedly detrimental?
This would be a good launching pad if you truly are open to learning more about this;
But as @CCBoy has said, one does not need this background to understand the dynamics and issues of the current situation surrounding the NFL's investigation and the topic of this thread. It's a flawed enough process on its own.
I'll agree with you somewhat. I think he could of done a better job at suggesting I read a few books and how it's relevant to what we were talking about. Perhaps "There are a few books out there that may help you understand my point of view a little better, I found them very interesting and informative. The books are xyz, check them out and let me know what you think".
His inital response was uncalled for IMO.
Thank you, thank you, thank you...looks like we got cyber crossed and your last post was more appropriate IMO.
Edit: Looking forward to reading it, I'm buying it on Amazon now.
Lol...what's wrong with this picture? Not lost at all...this fan is over-the-chin full of special privilege or trumped up punishment in the NFL.
(I wasn't political in mentioning trump)
You may be surprised what you find, but there IS a reason parts of our fanbase raises concern over the possibility of Mara involvement when it appears we get dealt a bogus hand. These are not tinfoil hat conspiracy theories... there's quite a bit of historical evidence that at least supports the foundation of these suspicions. The famous Salary Cap penalty from 2012 was the other recent eyebrow raiser.
When you examine the facts of Zeke's investigation and how the NFL has been handling this, I think it's entirely reasonable to suggest something foul is going down.
Damien Wilson is the perfect example....... he may have the charges reduced or dropped after the insurance settlement but he still DID SOMETHING
A Zeke suspension would force me to cancel my plans of going to the opening game.
Yea I wouldn't have much of a problem with Wilson getting suspended. He's an idiot. He's lucky he doesn't get cut.
I agree to point, but my line of thinking is more like...the NFL spent a 1 1/2 years investigating Zeke and came up with nothing but wants to suspend him just because they can...if the police have cleared him, the NFL has no leg to stand on. The NFL just wants to save face, and personally what little respect I have for the Jones family will turn to no respect if they don't back Zeke 100% publicly. The NFL is a 3 ring circus anymore. No other sports commissioner treats players this way.