Sean Payton: If a team hires me, the Saints will ask for a mid-to-late first-round pick

[Stash]

is he bringing 27 year old drew brees with him?

Funny enough, Dak Prescott’s numbers were better than pre-Payton Drew Brees’ were.

 

[Reid1boys]

When you sign a contract with a team and then decide to leave, all contractual stipulations remain. That seems fair, right?

sure, so payton should show up next week at work. IMMMMMMMM BAAAAACCCCKKK!

 

[thunderpimp91]

Right but they can’t not pay him, and not offer to bring him back, and prevent him from earning a living elsewhere by demanding compensation above and beyond what anyone is willing to pay.

Maybe someone IS willing to part with a first for him and this all moot, but if the best offer is something like a third that could be a second, the Saints can’t say “sorry, not good enough,” and also not pay him, and also not offer to bring him back.

Any type of legal hearing isn’t going to deny him the right to earn a living is the point.

Point taken, but I think the NFL and this scenario is very different from the rest of the world. Sean Payton willingly walked away knowing the consequences. Sean Payton has already been made a multi millionaire by the Saints. Sean Payton is believed to be currently making more annually with Fox than he did as a coach, and Sean Payton is currently employed. I don't see the legal system telling New Orleans they have to release him from the contract he walked out on, and would be walking out of another contract from Fox.

 

[cowboybish]

Sign me up! Take my pick!

Sean Payton says that if he takes a head-coaching job, the team that hires him will have to give the Saints a mid-to-late first-round draft pick.

Payton told Colin Cowherd he and Saints General Manager Mickey Loomis have come to an understanding that that’s what his new team will give the Saints, if Payton takes a head-coaching job.


https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...-will-ask-for-a-mid-to-late-first-round-pick/

If SP comes to Dallas, 2 things happen… possibly 3.
1- Payton calls plays.
2- Moore is gone.
And possibly 3 - Fangio comes with him bc Quinn is probably gone.
This all sounds good to me. Although Im still OK w McCarthy.

 

[CouchCoach]

Why doesnt he tell the saints hes coming out of retirement and ready to coach the Saints? cmon, you dont have to think very hard to figure it out.

By the way, what would happen if he did do that? Wouldnt they have to take him back or let him walk for no compensation?

They did not want him to leave. If he wanted to come back under his present contract, they would gladly take him back just like they'd take Brees coming out of retirement.

Brees and Payton mean more to that area than just the QB and HC of the Saints, they are Louisiana royalty.

 

[tomsanders921]

Sign me up! Take my pick!

Sean Payton says that if he takes a head-coaching job, the team that hires him will have to give the Saints a mid-to-late first-round draft pick.

Payton told Colin Cowherd he and Saints General Manager Mickey Loomis have come to an understanding that that’s what his new team will give the Saints, if Payton takes a head-coaching job.


https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...-will-ask-for-a-mid-to-late-first-round-pick/

How about Dak for Payton straight up? Then they wouldn't need to draft one

 

[fivetwos]

IDK maybe you're right on this one, but many previous coaching trades have included 1st round picks and more. The compensation while I wouldnt want to pay that price seems reasonable based on history.

He's under contract so they don't have to pay him, and have him locked up for I believe another two seasons? NO holds all the cards unless Payton wants to go back to NO. I wouldn't just let the guy walk for free either if I were New Orleans.

They wouldn’t have to let him walk for free.

The team he agrees to coach wants to make it happen, so they couldn’t expect to close smoothly by offering next to nothing, but by the same means, it’s won’t become a bidding war. He isn’t going to want to coach in one of several places and New Orleans gets to make that decision by who has the highest offer.

It’s a very different situation than a player.

New Orleans deserves something, but nothing outrageous because he probably isn’t worth it.

The Gruden situation was way weird. Al Davis was involved, and there was no year off. I would never expect to see anything like that again. That all aside, damn if that one didn’t backfire in the worst possible manner.

 

[fivetwos]

We’ll see.

I’ve been wrong once or twice before.

But I’m seeing a house of cards collapsing here. And Quinn is looking for the exit and his own career advancement, which makes McCarthy much less appealing win or lose.

I predict a loss which I think seals his fate. And Payton just publicly announced the asking price to get him (and Fangio as defensive coordinator).

I think even Jerry can see Payton/Fangio is far better than McCarthy/?

I don’t know if I see Jerry cleaning house entirely. If he fires MM with two years left on his deal, I think he hires Quinn and has him double as DC.

If he fires Quinn and MM and hires Moore full time that may push me over the edge as far as what I can tolerate.

 

[silvernblu]

Sign me up! Take my pick!

Sean Payton says that if he takes a head-coaching job, the team that hires him will have to give the Saints a mid-to-late first-round draft pick.

Payton told Colin Cowherd he and Saints General Manager Mickey Loomis have come to an understanding that that’s what his new team will give the Saints, if Payton takes a head-coaching job.


https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...-will-ask-for-a-mid-to-late-first-round-pick/

How about Zeke?

 

[Chuck 54]

SP cannot fix our weakness at DT, LB, or CB.
SP cannot fix our interior OL issue or our WR issue.

No way I’m giving up our number 1 pick for a coach.

The next time we change coaches, I want to see the introduction of a West Coast system by a coach who has proven he can scheme an effective run game no matter who the RB is.

 

[MikeB80]

im confused by the wording of this. How can a team offer a mid to late first round pick. A team only has the first round pick it has...what are they supposed to do? It really doesn't make any sense as stated.

also whoever hires payton is hiring him without all his guys who have coached for him. They are all still in new orleans or have moved on to be head coaches like Dan Campbell. So it will be like hiring parcells in 03....he had none of his coaches with him and had to essentially coach the coaches and the front office along with the team...So hoping payton has some miraculous touch seems kind of blue skying it to me.

 

[Stash]

If SP comes to Dallas, 2 things happen… possibly 3.
1- Payton calls plays.
2- Moore is gone.
And possibly 3 - Fangio comes with him bc Quinn is probably gone.
This all sounds good to me. Although Im still OK w McCarthy.

Those would be my expectations, yes.

 

[Stash]

How about Zeke?

What about him?

 

[Aven8]

I’ve been adamant about how I like Mike a lot. But having said that I wish Mike had installed his offense and called the plays. If Mike would do that this offseason I’m all about keeping him. That’s the only reason I would want Payton and have always wanted him. He’s a play caller and a damn good one.

 

[Reid1boys]

Point taken, but I think the NFL and this scenario is very different from the rest of the world. Sean Payton willingly walked away knowing the consequences. Sean Payton has already been made a multi millionaire by the Saints. Sean Payton is believed to be currently making more annually with Fox than he did as a coach, and Sean Payton is currently employed. I don't see the legal system telling New Orleans they have to release him from the contract he walked out on, and would be walking out of another contract from Fox.

Unless you know the specifics of Payton's contract, you are blowing smoke. The Saints could play hardball and keep Payton from coaching anywhere, while he is under contract with them unless someone meets their demands. Again, specific terms in the contract will dictate.

Next thing, I guarantee that Payton has it stipulated in his current TV contract that he can walk away from it if he were offered and accepted a head coaching job in the NFL. GUARANTEED!

And it isnt that the legal system wont tel the Saints what to do, they CANT tell the Saints what to do.

I completed 1 year of Law School and one thing I learned is that what you think you know and what will happen in court are two different things. The NFL is a unique business with only 32 franchises. Their is no business to compare them to. They surely have a unique set of rules that everyone plays by. Im also sure that their contracts are very different than the "Real world."

Unless we are able to sit down and read Payton's actual contract with the Saints, none of us know what we are talking about.

 

[thunderpimp91]

They wouldn’t have to let him walk for free.

The team he agrees to coach wants to make it happen, so they couldn’t expect to close smoothly by offering next to nothing, but by the same means, it’s won’t become a bidding war. He isn’t going to want to coach in one of several places and New Orleans gets to make that decision by who has the highest offer.

It’s a very different situation than a player.

New Orleans deserves something, but nothing outrageous because he probably isn’t worth it.

The Gruden situation was way weird. Al Davis was involved, and there was no year off. I would never expect to see anything like that again. That all aside, damn if that one didn’t backfire in the worst possible manner.

I'm partially with you, and starting to see your side a bit, but we also have to consider that one of the front runners in all this is actually a division rival in Carolina. Should New Orleans expect to cave on their trade demands so Payton can go to a team that plays them twice a year? I mean if the script were flipped and back in the 93 and we replaced Sean Payton with Jimmy Johnson should Jerry have let him go from the contract?

I agree in a situation where a team like Denver wanted him, but was only willing to give up a 3rd round and there were no other bidding teams NO should do the right thing.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Unless you know the specifics of Payton's contract, you are blowing smoke. The Saints could play hardball and keep Payton from coaching anywhere, while he is under contract with them unless someone meets their demands. Again, specific terms in the contract will dictate.

Next thing, I guarantee that Payton has it stipulated in his current TV contract that he can walk away from it if he were offered and accepted a head coaching job in the NFL. GUARANTEED!

And it isnt that the legal system wont tel the Saints what to do, they CANT tell the Saints what to do.

I completed 1 year of Law School and one thing I learned is that what you think you know and what will happen in court are two different things. The NFL is a unique business with only 32 franchises. Their is no business to compare them to. They surely have a unique set of rules that everyone plays by. Im also sure that their contracts are very different than the "Real world."

Unless we are able to sit down and read Payton's actual contract with the Saints, none of us know what we are talking about.

I agree I think we are actually arguing the same thing, it just doesnt seem like it since I'm replying to someone else.

 

[fivetwos]

Point taken, but I think the NFL and this scenario is very different from the rest of the world. Sean Payton willingly walked away knowing the consequences. Sean Payton has already been made a multi millionaire by the Saints. Sean Payton is believed to be currently making more annually with Fox than he did as a coach, and Sean Payton is currently employed. I don't see the legal system telling New Orleans they have to release him from the contract he walked out on, and would be walking out of another contract from Fox.

The FOX ‘contract’ comes with the understanding that if a guy like him wants to coach, they won’t stand in his way, but he won’t be doing anything for another network during that time.

A big part of this is available recourse, which in this case is resuming where he left off with the Saints deal and returning as HC.

If the Saints insist on that, and are willing to pay him, Payton is kind of stuck. But teams just don’t do that. They don’t want a guy running the whole show who doesn’t want to be there, and going backward rarely works.

No side is going to have big leverage here, but the Saints probably have the least. There won’t be several teams bidding, only the one Payton agrees to coach.

They will probably get a second for him would be my guess. That’s fair.

I question if he even wants to actually return this soon or just keep his name out there. SD and him sound like the perfect match.

 

[Reid1boys]

The FOX ‘contract’ comes with the understanding that if a guy like him wants to coach, they won’t stand in his way, but he won’t be doing anything for another network during that time.

A big part of this is available recourse, which in this case is resuming where he left off with the Saints deal and returning as HC.

If the Saints insist on that, and are willing to pay him, Payton is kind of stuck. But teams just don’t do that. They don’t want a guy running the whole show who doesn’t want to be there, and going backward rarely works.

No side is going to have big leverage here, but the Saints probably have the least. There won’t be several teams bidding, only the one Payton agrees to coach.

They will probably get a second for him would be my guess. That’s fair.

I question if he even wants to actually return this soon or just keep his name out there. SD and him sound like the perfect match.

He damn sure wants to return, he never would have left the Saints except he is smart enough to know his reputation was about to get crushed as they have no qb. He didnt want to look like Billy Boy... who has now missed the playoffs in 2 of the 3 years since Tom left, and that trend will be continuing. The Pats and Billy boy are currently a nothing burger, irrelevant, a nobody. EXACTLY like I predicted was going ot happen to the Saints, Steelers and Pats...... and wala, like clockwork, all 3 of them stink.

So if payton were to get to come to the Chargers or Dallas, he will be all over it. No way in hell will he go to Denver as they are in worse shape than the Saints were in when he left.

 

[Dallasfann]

So dumb.

Who helps the team more..

Micah Parsons or Payton
Tyler Smith or Payton
Zach Martin or Payton
Tyron Smith or Payton

You know...players on our team who are immensly more valuable then Sean Payton that were drafted in the 1st round. No way. Dude is the most overrated coach of our time.