Seeing Elliot on another team sucks

jwitten82

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Lol So Barkley isn’t special? Talent wise he’s one of the best running backs we’ve seen since AP lol.

You are wrong and now want to pretend like elite and special aren’t of the same.
I wouldn't say elite and special are the same either. You can have a special season, but to be elite you have to be consistent. Plenty of players come into the league that look elite in college, but it doesn't translate into the NFL for whatever reason. Barkley has the talent, just like Chase Young, Clowney, Claiborne, Zack Wilson, and so on but none of those players are special or elite
 

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My only "complaint" about Barkley is he sure does sit himself a lot.

I don't blame him...it's a good Business Decision for longevity.
He’s having injury issues. I don’t think he’s had a special career but coming into the draft he was consider a consensus top 5 pick and considered to be the next great back.
 

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I wouldn't say elite and special are the same either. You can have a special season, but to be elite you have to be consistent. Plenty of players come into the league that look elite in college, but it doesn't translate into the NFL for whatever reason. Barkley has the talent, just like Chase Young, Clowney, Claiborne, Zack Wilson, and so on but none of those players are special or elite
But I’m this instance if you say someone had a special season you’re saying just that. If you say a person is having an elite season it’s the same exact thing. If you say someone had an elite season you’re saying it was special.
 

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You lose that status when you hold out with 2 years on a contract, so greedy a move no other player had ever done that to the Cowboys.
What lol? You want to try that again? No one has ever held out? Or are you saying specifically at 2 years? It wasn’t greedy it was smart. Because what happened? They cut him lol.
 

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Talk about goal post moving....

Barkley has a ton of talent but he hasn't put together a special season yet. With his injury history, he most likely never will. And elite and special, by definition, are not the same. The only RB close doing anything special in the league was Nick Chubb.
You just literally said his rookie season was special so now it’s not?
 

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Talk about goal post moving....

Barkley has a ton of talent but he hasn't put together a special season yet. With his injury history, he most likely never will. And elite and special, by definition, are not the same. The only RB close doing anything special in the league was Nick Chubb.
What’s the difference in saying someone had a special season and saying someone had a elite season?
 

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But I’m this instance if you say someone had a special season you’re saying just that. If you say a person is having an elite season it’s the same exact thing. If you say someone had an elite season you’re saying it was special.
Well a player can have an elite season and not be an elite player, one year wonders exist. A player can have a special season, but I think special is more subjective
 

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What’s the difference in saying someone had a special season and saying someone had a elite season?
Elite means you're in the company of those who played at the highest level. In this case, it would mean the player you are referring was alongside other high level players that season.

Special would have to mean it is unique or unusual in some aspect. It was not. There are MANY rookie RBs that averaged similar to what Elliott did his rookie season. There was nothing about his season that was special. Let's use the very player you brought up randomly in the discussion

Saquan Barkley rushed for 1,307 yards on 261 attempts and 5.0ypc. If he had a similar amount of carries to what Zeke got, he would have similar results to Zeke. If anything, Barkley has more in his favor since he had 700 yards receiving. But let's go further into this.

Barry Sanders - 280 carries, 1, 470 yards
Mike Anderson - 297 carries, 1,487 yards
Adrian Peterson - 238 carries, 1,341 yards
Clinton Portis - 273 carries 1,508 yards
Jerome Bettis - 294 carries, 1,429 yards

Adrian Peterson's rookie season there is closer to being special, but he missed two games. He was averaging 5.6 yards on the ground and had 12 TDs on 238 carries. For the amount of carries that Zeke got and the line that he was behind, what he accomplished in 2016 is not special. It was a great season and he was among the elites, but not special. There is an RB every other season that averages around the same to what we see Zeke did as a rookie. Hell I'm not even sure why "rookie" even matters? We aren't talking QBs here. RBs adjust to the NFL easier than most other positions.
 

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Just saw the sounds from the sidelines yt video. Seeing him in another uniform sux, I didn't like it almost as much as I didn't like seeing Emmitt and Allen in different uniforms. Elliot like Emmitt left it all on the field for this team. Too bad Elliot didn't have Emmitt work ethic in the offseason. If only he had put in the extra work, he'd probably still be a cowboy.
It did suck seeing him in another uniform. I hate the salary cap era.
 

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Doesn't mean we can;t have some civility and appreciation for his Cowboys career.

It's in the books....3rd best RB we have had (so far). Haters will have to live with it as best they can. Hopefully they can keep it to themselves instead of trying to make everyone else miserable about it too.
Seemed like the biggest reaction was with Martin. Imo if this team wouldn't have had techmo bowl oc since 2019 Elliot would've had some serious stats. He was the best rb by far under Callahan. The run production, daks turnovers, and the ol blocking all got worse under Moore.
 

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Well a player can have an elite season and not be an elite player, one year wonders exist. A player can have a special season, but I think special is more subjective
No one even said anything about an elite player though. I’ve never seen a elite season season distinguishes from a special season honestly.
 

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Elite means you're in the company of those who played at the highest level. In this case, it would mean the player you are referring was alongside other high level players that season.

Special would have to mean it is unique or unusual in some aspect. It was not. There are MANY rookie RBs that averaged similar to what Elliott did his rookie season. There was nothing about his season that was special. Let's use the very player you brought up randomly in the discussion

Saquan Barkley rushed for 1,307 yards on 261 attempts and 5.0ypc. If he had a similar amount of carries to what Zeke got, he would have similar results to Zeke. If anything, Barkley has more in his favor since he had 700 yards receiving. But let's go further into this.

Barry Sanders - 280 carries, 1, 470 yards
Mike Anderson - 297 carries, 1,487 yards
Adrian Peterson - 238 carries, 1,341 yards
Clinton Portis - 273 carries 1,508 yards
Jerome Bettis - 294 carries, 1,429 yards

Adrian Peterson's rookie season there is closer to being special, but he missed two games. He was averaging 5.6 yards on the ground and had 12 TDs on 238 carries. For the amount of carries that Zeke got and the line that he was behind, what he accomplished in 2016 is not special. It was a great season and he was among the elites, but not special. There is an RB every other season that averages around the same to what we see Zeke did as a rookie. Hell I'm not even sure why "rookie" even matters? We aren't talking QBs here. RBs adjust to the NFL easier than most other positions.
Because a RB is still a rookie. Most running backs are better year 2 than rookie season for a reason.
 

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Did you not just argue me down saying that Zeke only had one elite season end Barkley had one as well? Then you said it wasn’t that special because Morris and Barkley did it their rookie year to?
I don't remember ever bringing up Barkley before you did? Either way, are you losing track of what you said? You claimed I said it was special, i never once said ANYWHERE that Barkley's rookie season was special.

I named one player so far that I'd say did something special at the RB position in the past 5-6 years and that is Chubb. If we go to a single season, Derrick Henry's 2,000 yard season would be in there since it only happens once or twice a decade. 8 in total.
 

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I don’t think it has anything to do with his work ethic
I'm talking bout the work ethic in the offseason. He always went back heavy took him awhile to get back in to shape. Emmitt was always a leader by example. On and off the field. Inseason and offseason. That's whyhe lasted so long. Never had any serious injury, and when he did, he just carried the team in a playoff win.

Emmitt was just a perfect player imo. There was no weakness in his game.
 
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