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[Jon88]

We also drafted Al Johnson in the second.

Or how about Quincy Carter.

Or how about Jacob Rogers.

Or how about Tony Dixon.

Or how about Anthony Fasano.

Just saying.

Someone got mad.

 

[dbair1967]

I think a lot of you guys forget why Hamlin was brought to Dallas in the first place:

"In his first season with the Cowboys, Hamlin earned his first Pro Bowl selection, being named a starter for the NFC and was one-of-13 Cowboys selected - setting a team and NFL record. He started all 16 games at free safety recording 102 tackles (third on the team) - his first career 100-tackle season - five interceptions (second on the team and tied for ninth in the league) and a single-season career-best 14 pass breakups. He made his Cowboys debut against the New York Giants on September 9, recording nine tackles and one pass breakup." - wikipedia

He's no Ed Reed or Troy Polamalu, but he's no slouch. Seems like a lot of people have amnesia at how bad the secondary was after Woody retired.

CA, Hamlin has 1 pick in his last 35 games, he has very few passes defensed and is a lousy open field tackler, to the point where his bad tackling probably cost us two football games alone.

The fact that he had a decent season in 2007 doesnt forgive two lousy ones since. He got a huge contract after threatening to holdout, and hasnt been worth a dime of it since. He's played like a premier player, but he is nothing more than mediocre.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

It would take me one second to decide to let Sensabaugh go for a second rd pick.

No brainer, imo.

 

[gimmesix]

Isn't Mike Hamlin an unknown just like the safe-bet safeties that you speak of?

Yes, which is why I'm against any scenario that doesn't force him yo earn a starting job.

Keep the players we've got, especially good ones like Sensabaugh, and let the younger players prove they should be starting instead.

The only way I'd let either safety go (which would be Ken Hamlin) is if we upgraded with another veteran.

 

[Jon88]

CA, Hamlin has 1 pick in his last 35 games, he has very few passes defensed and is a lousy open field tackler, to the point where his bad tackling probably cost us two football games alone.

The fact that he had a decent season in 2007 doesnt forgive two lousy ones since. He got a huge contract afetr threatening to holdout, and hasnt been worth a dime of it since.

I don't see how Jerry signs his paychecks without having an aneurysm.

 

[dbair1967]

We also drafted Al Johnson in the second.

Or how about Quincy Carter.

Or how about Jacob Rogers.

Or how about Tony Dixon.

Or how about Anthony Fasano.

Just saying.

The people that made all those picks arnt running the scouting department anymore either are they?

 

[CanuckCowboysFan]

What constitutes an "impact play" for you?

As far as I can see, having the 2nd rated scoring defense in the NFL was pretty good. We might have had a rough game to finish the season in the playoffs, but I wouldn't be so quick to break up a good thing just yet.

Did it occur to you that maybe, by reducing the number of gamble plays by the safeties, we ended up trading interceptions for less points scored?

Or have you never played DB before?



Would he? And for every one of those 6 picks how many passes would he miss on and end up giving up a bomb to DeSean Jackson? Think about the scheme for a second before you think about video games.

:madden:



It's sad, isn't it?

LMAO, do you care to explain to me what this has to do with the video game Madden? So, because I think Atogwe would make a better FS then Hamlin, and would be more productive somehow this relates to me thinking this is Madden? And think about the scheme? LOL, take your own advice. Atogwe excels in ZONE COVERAGE, which is what our FS does basically every play, not man. Our scheme requires our FS play centerfield, rarely do they play man to man. Think before you speak man. BTW your stats were way off. Where did you read that Hamlin recorded a 100 tackle season??

 

[TheSport78]

What constitutes an "impact play" for you?

As far as I can see, having the 2nd rated scoring defense in the NFL was pretty good. We might have had a rough game to finish the season in the playoffs, but I wouldn't be so quick to break up a good thing just yet.

Did it occur to you that maybe, by reducing the number of gamble plays by the safeties, we ended up trading interceptions for less points scored?

Or have you never played DB before?

An "impact play": how about a turnover? That would be a GREAT start actually.

Do you really think Hamlin's play was a "good thing?" Oh, you must be talking about our Pro Bowl corners in Jenkins and Newman, or that amazing pass-rush from Ware, Spencer and Ratliff? Please, any decent safety would have at least created a TURNOVER with the ferocious pass rush Dallas has.

We did reduce the number of gamble plays....BECAUSE WE COULD RUSH WITH FOUR PLAYERS. There was no NEED to blitz the majority of the time. Wow you amaze me sometimes!

Well I'm thankful you're not the GM for the Cowboys because it would be a recipe for disaster. When you talk about our pass defense, you cannot look at it as a WHOLE in the offseason, you must grade players individually, and our secondary played well in SPITE of Ken Hamlin.

 

[dallasfaniac]

Poster X: We shouldn't let Sensabaugh go because the player we draft to replace him is an unknown.

Poster X: We shouldn't trade for Gaither because we could have a player like Iupati (Unknown) instead.

 

[jobberone]

Why do people here keep thinking we are going to have any chance at Thomas? He will go before Mays goes and the next safety isn't a cover safety. And Allen isn't considered a first round talent. There are FIVE OTs with a first round grade and another three likely to sneak in the first.

This draft screams OL or even DL in the first for us. Unless Spiller magically falls to 27 like that's going to happen. One of the top two cover safeties are not falling anywhere near 27.

 

[gimmesix]

The people that made all those picks arnt running the scouting department anymore either are they?

Didn't point it out for that purpose. Just that giving up a quality starter for an unknown second-round draft pick is never a good idea. Too many hits and misses.

I'm glad we protected ourselves in case someone signs one of our players, but I'm not rooting for it to happen except with a couple of the backups we know will never be starting material.

 

[SDogo]

Good gosh.......people are funny

FA is here, lets hope everyone leaves and we sign everyone else.

 

[casmith07]

LMAO, do you care to explain to me what this has to do with the video game Madden? So, because I think Atogwe would make a better FS then Hamlin, and would be more productive somehow this relates to me thinking this is Madden? And think about the scheme? LOL, take your own advice. Atogwe excels in ZONE COVERAGE, which is what our FS does basically every play, not man. Our scheme requires our FS play centerfield, rarely do they play man to man. Think before you speak man. BTW your stats were way off. Where did you read that Hamlin recorded a 100 tackle season??

Simple, actually. You can't plug-and-play different players at different positions simply based on statistics and expect a better product on the field. A general knowledge of the overall scheme of a defense as well as the equally important yet still separate scheme of the defensive backfield is very important when evaluating talent. There are more than just off-the-field reasons why Pacman Jones was a bad signing in Dallas, for example, but since you're an expert on who excels at what, I'm sure you already know why.

An "impact play": how about a turnover? That would be a GREAT start actually.

Do you really think Hamlin's play was a "good thing?" Oh, you must be talking about our Pro Bowl corners in Jenkins and Newman, or that amazing pass-rush from Ware, Spencer and Ratliff? Please, any decent safety would have at least created a TURNOVER with the ferocious pass rush Dallas has.

We did reduce the number of gamble plays....BECAUSE WE COULD RUSH WITH FOUR PLAYERS. There was no NEED to blitz the majority of the time. Wow you amaze me sometimes!

Well I'm thankful you're not the GM for the Cowboys because it would be a recipe for disaster. When you talk about our pass defense, you cannot look at it as a WHOLE in the offseason, you must grade players individually, and our secondary played well in SPITE of Ken Hamlin.

It's difficult to even have a legitimate football discussion with any of you here because it becomes more apparent with each post that you both (and many others) literally know next to nothing about playing defensive back in football, or the defensive backfield as a unit in football.

I don't even know where to begin, whether it's the ridiculous screams of our lack of a pass rush for over half the season or the other, equally ridiculous screams to cut/trade/bench Terence Newman from 70% of the users here, despite your claims now of him having played at Pro Bowl caliber.

If you want to grade players individually, go right ahead. You'd fit right in to the Commanders's front office. After all, individual success is what brings championships to franchises....or 4-12 records and last place finishes in the NFC East.

I really am starting to hate fantasy football.

 

[TheSport78]

Good gosh.......people are funny

FA is here, lets hope everyone leaves and we sign everyone else.

I would just be happy with Atogwe, and maybe Jamal Williams if the price is right and he's healthy. Hamlin would be released and obviously I wouldn't have a problem getting a 2nd for Sensy if it gave us more ammo to move up for Earl Thomas (yes, we have a shot at him).

 

[SLATEmosphere]

Why do people here keep thinking we are going to have any chance at Thomas? He will go before Mays goes and the next safety isn't a cover safety. And Allen isn't considered a first round talent. There are FIVE OTs with a first round grade and another three likely to sneak in the first.

This draft screams OL or even DL in the first for us. Unless Spiller magically falls to 27 like that's going to happen. One of the top two cover safeties are not falling anywhere near 27.

A first and a 2nd(pick for Sensy) can move up and grab him genius.

They also might really like Mike Hamlin at SS and think he can start.

 

[TheSport78]

Simple, actually. You can't plug-and-play different players at different positions simply based on statistics and expect a better product on the field. A general knowledge of the overall scheme of a defense as well as the equally important yet still separate scheme of the defensive backfield is very important when evaluating talent. There are more than just off-the-field reasons why Pacman Jones was a bad signing in Dallas, for example, but since you're an expert on who excels at what, I'm sure you already know why.



It's difficult to even have a legitimate football discussion with any of you here because it becomes more apparent with each post that you both (and many others) literally know next to nothing about playing defensive back in football, or the defensive backfield as a unit in football.

I don't even know where to begin, whether it's the ridiculous screams of our lack of a pass rush for over half the season or the other, equally ridiculous screams to cut/trade/bench Terence Newman from 70% of the users here, despite your claims now of him having played at Pro Bowl caliber.

If you want to grade players individually, go right ahead. You'd fit right in to the Commanders's front office. After all, individual success is what brings championships to franchises....or 4-12 records and last place finishes in the NFC East.

I really am starting to hate fantasy football.

Aaaand...check mate.

EDIT: Don't put words in my mouth because I wasn't one to say I wanted Newman released. So please don't generalize; thank you.

 

[TheSport78]

A first and a 2nd(pick for Sensy) can move up and grab him genius.

They also might really like Mike Hamlin at SS and think he can start.

Yes, it can. Remember when everyone thought Louis Delmas was going to go in the mid to late 1st? Well he went the first pick in the 2nd round; it's possible for players to fall.

 

[ThrowuptheXDez88]

what the hell? I don't understand many of these posts. Sensy was a huge help for us this year..he basically shut down all TE and was much more impressive then Hamlin. He could of had at least 4-5 picks this year if it weren't for the cast. If he goes, I think M. Hamlin is the favorite to take over at SS, and I doubt Ken gets released. Both of them could go though. I hope we keep Sensy and just sign Atogwe.

Yeah, it's sad how a lot of people are blind to that... People dont want to give credit, but he is a big reason why the defense was the way it was & had a major effect on the db's, in training camp and during the season a ton of the defensive starters gave him credit and said how much of a big addition he is... Now you want to get a 2nd for him??? haha, wow when you don't even know what you are going to get, give me a break.. some people are so silly

 

[casmith07]

Aaaand...check mate.

EDIT: Don't put words in my mouth because I wasn't one to say I wanted Newman released. So please don't generalize; thank you.

You've continually dogged him, wanting him to take "paycuts" or be benched, claiming that he "doesn't learn the CB position."

But now he's one of the reasons for our defensive success due to his "Pro Bowl" level play?

Oh, and...http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3140375&highlight=Newman#post3140375

These starting players need to be gone:

Flozell Adams, Bradie James, Terence Newman, Ken Hamlin, Marion Barber

All coaches gone except Coach D

Yeah, checkmate.

 

[gimmesix]

Get the **** out of here buzzkill

Just trying to keep it real. It's very difficult, if not impossible, for everything to turn out in our favor if we had to upgrade both safety positions.