Shanahan Not a Foregone Conclusion

[Air Force One]

Baloney.

I will say it again. All hires are good intentioned. No one ever hires someone thinking, "I hope this fails miserably."

Don't put your brains in neutral just because you are mad at the owner/GM. It is the same for every team. Every coaching hire is done with good intentions.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

But hostile, just because jerry wasn't thinking "I hope this fails miserably" doesn't mean the moves were well intentioned. Jerry has lots of motivations for the things he does. I don't claim I know what all those motivations are, but they have not always been about winning. Sometimes his actions are based on ego. That is not well intentioned. Keeping wade for this year was more about ego than it was good intentions, imo.

 

[Hostile]

But hostile, just because jerry wasn't thinking "I hope this fails miserably" doesn't mean the moves were well intentioned. Jerry has lots of motivations for the things he does. I don't claim I know what all those motivations are, but they have not always been about winning. Sometimes his actions are based on ego. That is not well intentioned. Keeping wade for this year was more about ego than it was good intentions, imo.

He still hired guys thinking they could win. Look, I am not defending the hires. I am saying that all hires are good intentioned. Snyder is a complete idiot. But I'm not stupid enough to think he hired Jim Zorn hoping the guy would be an utter failure. These guys audition for jobs and some guys get them and fail. It's the freaking NFL. Success is precious. That doesn't change the intentions of every hire because some guys fail. It just doesn't.

Al Davis is a fool, but he hoped Tom Cable would revive his team. He certainly didn't hire him to fail.

My gosh people were all over Steve Spagnuola last year. You're telling me the Rams intentions in hiring him were not good? Don't look at the results and make a broad and wrong suggestion.

 

[Bach]

Of course they were well intentioend. Don't be a doofus. Even Rich Kotite and Ray Handley were.

Good intentions does not mean good hires and I didn't say they were.

Well intentioned by whom? After Jerry went out of house and hired Gailey and ended up with problems due to forcing all the assistants on him and w/ players going straight to Jerry, Jones opted to stay in-house and hire Campo - a typical yes man that was just all too happy to be offered an NFL HC job and would put up with Jerry wearing the headset if he wanted to.

I guess it'd take as big a doofus as Jerry to think that was "well intentioned"

 

[Bach]

No you didn't say that. You just play both sides of the fence like you always do. The hires were not well intentioned unless the moves were made soley based on the intention of winning. Jerry was self serving in that he did it to have control... on his terms, his way. If winning was his only intention, most of the moves wouldn't have ever been made. You're the one who needs to quit being a doofus. Not holding my breath though.

Exactly. Well said.

 

[Air Force One]

OMG what?

I am not a fan of wade's either. But his whole life has been about the nfl. He is an accomplished coordinator. Not being a good head coach doesnt mean you are a bad coach entirely.

Steve Spurrier was a train wreck. Do you understand how insane it is that the HC didnt know who was active?

It is insane, I agree, but I have lost so much confidence in wade that I would still choose spurrier over wade. Nothing wade has ever done in the past as a coordinator has helped the dallas cowboys. In fact, all he has done is bring in a culture of mediocrity that will always haunt us until we move on without him.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Hey I'm not wanting spurrier here, I'm just saying if it came down to spurrier vs. Wade, the choice for me would be spurrier, without question. Wade is a stain on this franchise and always will be.

The phrase "quit while you're behind" comes to mind.

 

[Rampage]

Congrats on 5000 posts.

I will take 15 years of Garrett. I really will.

what do you see in him that makes you think this? It seems like the players don't even respect him with the number of times they've called him out since the start of last season.

 

[TD-33]

Knowing how this forum's members like to jump off the deep end, it could get silly(ier) once some of you realize t his is Garrett's team and the only thing to stop that from proceeding (since IT IS already the plan remember) is a complete melt-down by the offense the second half of the year.

Otherwise, say hello to HC Garrett.

The only question is who will be OC & DC

 

[Hostile]

what do you see in him that makes you think this? It seems like the players don't even respect him with the number of times they've called him out since the start of last season.

I know of several players who respect him a lot. My opinions don't change simply because a lot of people are pissed off.

 

[Air Force One]

He still hired guys thinking they could win. Look, I am not defending the hires. I am saying that all hires are good intentioned. Snyder is a complete idiot. But I'm not stupid enough to think he hired Jim Zorn hoping the guy would be an utter failure. These guys audition for jobs and some guys get them and fail. It's the freaking NFL. Success is precious. That doesn't change the intentions of every hire because some guys fail. It just doesn't.

Al Davis is a fool, but he hoped Tom Cable would revive his team. He certainly didn't hire him to fail.

My gosh people were all over Steve Spagnuola last year. You're telling me the Rams intentions in hiring him were not good? Don't look at the results and make a broad and wrong suggestion.

I guess you just put more faith in these people and their intentions than I do. Again, I do not believe jerry keeping wade this year was well intentioned. And if it was, we're in worse trouble than I thought. Hopefully his next HC hire will be well intentioned. I could even see naming garrett as well intentioned, or hell, I'll even give jerry the benefit and say hiring wade was originally well intentend, but that time has now long since passed and is now in ego territory. He screwd us by keeping him on, and we all knew it over the summer. Deep down, imo, we all knew it.

 

[Cowboy Brian]

I'd rather have Phillips over Garrett as HC, and if our offense stays in the top 5 yards per game, you do relieze Garrett will be our HC.

 

[Bach]

I guess you just put more faith in these people and their intentions than I do. Again, I do not believe jerry keeping wade this year was well intentioned. And if it was, we're in worse trouble than I thought. Hopefully his next HC hire will be well intentioned. I could even see naming garrett as well intentioned, or hell, I'll even give jerry the benefit and say hiring wade was originally well intentend, but that time has now long since passed and is now in ego territory. He screwd us by keeping him on, and we all knew it over the summer. Deep down, imo, we all knew it.

Jerry hiring Switzer was first and foremost a shot at Jimmy. Jerry was right that any one of 500 coaches could win with the team Jimmy built, but settling for the bottom of the barrel wasn't going to keep it going for as long as it could've.

Gailey was basically hired to be the OC. Jerry controlled just about every aspect by then and forced just about all the assistants onto Chan and let the players, especially the stars come directly to him.

Campo was his in-house puppet. Gailey was an outsider so Jerry kept it in house with someone who wouldn't make any noise over Jerry's total control.

Wade was brought in primarily due to his supposed 3-4 expertise.

Not one of these 4 were anywhere near being the best we could have hired. Of course Jerry didn't hope to fail with any of these, but he definitely put his self interests and ego ahead of hiring the best possible HC in several of these instances, most notably with Switzer and Campo.

 

[Air Force One]

The phrase "quit while you're behind" comes to mind.

If only you would take a little of your own advice. I never said I wanted spurrier, only that I would take him over wade. It's a hypothetical, since it isn't happening. I'm well aware that you aren't particularly bothered by wade being here or his performance as head coach, so I guess I don't expect you to understand any of this.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

If only you would take a little of your own advice. I never said I wanted spurrier, only that I would take him over wade.

I know. That's what I was talking about.

I guess you'd rather go 12-20 over two years like Ol' Ball Coach did.

Yeah, that makes sense.

 

[TD-33]

I'd rather have Phillips over Garrett as HC, and if our offense stays in the top 5 yards per game, you do relieze Garrett will be our HC.

That's another thing. The Cowboys offense is racking up yards despite the redzone fail and stupid penalties. While no one else will give them credit we know that Romo has not played well at all for at least 3 games and they are still killing. IF the offense recovers like it must, it will only make Garrett look better. And maybe, just maybe if he had control his strict personality would make a difference.

 

[Air Force One]

Jerry hiring Switzer was first and foremost a shot at Jimmy. Jerry was right that any one of 500 coaches could win with the team Jimmy built, but settling for the bottom of the barrel wasn't going to keep it going for as long as it could've.

Gailey was basically hired to be the OC. Jerry controlled just about every aspect by then and forced just about all the assistants onto Chan and let the players, especially the stars come directly to him.

Campo was his in-house puppet. Gailey was an outsider so Jerry kept it in house with someone who wouldn't make any noise over Jerry's total control.

Wade was brought in primarily due to his supposed 3-4 expertise.

Not one of these 4 were anywhere near being the best we could have hired. Of course Jerry didn't hope to fail with any of these, but he definitely put his self interests and ego ahead of hiring the best possible HC in several of these instances, most notably with Switzer and Campo.

I agree. If I believed jerry was well intentioned when he made those moves I would be more forgiving. I cannot be forgiving when he is CURRENTLY doing the same thing.

I'll stop being down on this team when jerry mans up and gets us a coach. I want jerry to be as upset at losing as we are and be willing to set aside his ego simply for the sake of winning. Everyone acts like we LIKE being pissed and down on this team. I want to be a homer too, but not a blind one. I am being honest here.

 

[Bach]

I agree. If I believed jerry was well intentioned when he made those moves I would be more forgiving. I cannot be forgiving when he is CURRENTLY doing the same thing.

I'll stop being down on this team when jerry mans up and gets us a coach. I want jerry to be as upset at losing as we are and be willing to set aside his ego simply for the sake of winning. Everyone acts like we LIKE being pissed and down on this team. I want to be a homer too, but not a blind one. I am being honest here.

In the last 15 years, he only put his ego aside (partially) when he hired Parcells. The three straight 5-11 seasons finally brought him to his knees.

But, like you said, since then he's gone back to his former ways. It's ridiculous.

 

[Air Force One]

I know. That's what I was talking about.

I guess you'd rather go 12-20 over two years like Ol' Ball Coach did.

Yeah, that makes sense.

I'm just at the end of my rope with this team and want change. I want wade fired. I want him away from our players and franchise. None of what is currently happening regarding coaching makes any sense to me either. I'm sure he's a nice guy but this is business....the business of winning. My level of hope can only go up from here and even spurrier would give me more hope than does wade. Simple as that.

 

[StylisticS]

I say no to ALL retreads. I am sick of retreads as coaches and players (aside from Brooking and Bigg).

Amen! I said this a few weeks ago. I am not on the bandwagon of hiring retread head coaches. The Jets, Broncos, Steelers, and Dolphins did not hire retread coaches in the past and they are playing pretty well. Give me a young fired up and determined coach over any of them.

 

[Bach]

Amen! I said this a few weeks ago. I am not on the bandwagon of hiring retread head coaches. The Jets, Broncos, Steelers, and Dolphins did not hire retread coaches in the past and they are playing pretty well. Give me a young fired up and determined coach over any of them.

I'd be for it too, if Jerry didn't force the rest of the coaching staff on him and actually gave the HC the proper authority to be successful.