Should Cowboys rethink Hardy situation?

[Clarkson]

2 sacks in 8 games isn't anything special. Maybe he isn't what he used to be anymore.

i think he could still put up 10+ sacks in a full season. but not a single team out there thinks he's worth it. that alone says way more than anything we could possibly speculate on.

 

[Stash]

I don't understand what you don't understand about this. it's not about moral high ground. it's about how he was in the locker room. it's about how he responded to situations. it's about his work ethic. they brought him in and determined, over time, that he isn't worth it. he isn't worth the headache he is, he isn't worth the media attention. they saw it up close, first-hand, and came to same conclusion every other team in the league has apparently come to. you know less than half as much as the teams do. your job isn't on the line here on cowboyszone.

No, you're right. You "don't understand". You choose to simply accept that Hardy's actions - whatever they were - justified the Cowboys walking away and shutting the door. I, on the other hand would prefer to see some solid evidence warranting this team sending away their best pass rusher and further weakening an already bad situation. To date, all I've seen are unfounded rumors and mention of two confirmed times he was late. To me, that's not enough reason to shut the door and weaken a team that's got enough talent issues on defense.

 

[YosemiteSam]

No, you're right. You "don't understand". You choose to simply accept that Hardy's actions - whatever they were - justified the Cowboys walking away and shutting the door. I, on the other hand would prefer to see some solid evidence warranting this team sending away their best pass rusher and further weakening an already bad situation. To date, all I've seen are unfounded rumors and mention of two confirmed times he was late. To me, that's not enough reason to shut the door and weaken a team that's got enough talent issues on defense.

The Cowboys didn't even attempt to even discuss a new contract even after he got no attention from the entire league. The message is clear because the silence is deafening. The dude isn't worth the trouble he injects into the situation.

 

[Stash]

The Cowboys didn't even attempt to even discuss a new contract even after he got no attention from the entire league. The message is clear because the silence is deafening. The dude isn't worth the trouble he injects into the situation.

According to some people, definitely. Again, speaking for myself, I've seen no conclusive evidence that his behavior warranted this complete break from a team with a serious issue at the position, especially when they continue to employ guys who continue to get suspended and make themselves totally unavailable.

 

[Nightman]

The Cowboys didn't even attempt to even discuss a new contract even after he got no attention from the entire league. The message is clear because the silence is deafening. The dude isn't worth the trouble he injects into the situation.

According to some people, definitely. Again, speaking for myself, I've seen no conclusive evidence that his behavior warranted this complete break from a team with a serious issue at the position, especially when they continue to employ guys who continue to get suspended and make themselves totally unavailable.

It is like he received a Life sentence for a DV charge AFTER he served his suspension and took a PR shellacking and a one-sided contract....on the field he was as good as could be expected but even after the charges were dropped and the record expunged he was black-balled and the public excuse is that he was late to a few meetings

Yet the team gives guys like Randle, RoMcClain, Gregory and Claiborne chance after chance...it would be better if they just said "we underestimated the backlash that signing Greg would cause and even though we pretended to stand by him, we are using the photos seen out of context to completely ties with him and but we do wish him the best in the future"

It wasn't until they squeezed every ounce out of the deal did they mount their high horse and start the dis-information campaign.....the silence has been deafening

 

[tyke1doe]

I know many don't understand this, but insubordination, disrespect to authority and rebellion will always be judged more seriously than drug use, drinking or other "personal" peccadillos - especially in settings that rely heavily upon authoritarian structure and hierarchy.

 

[Stash]

I know many don't understand this, but insubordination, disrespect to authority and rebellion will always be judged more seriously than drug use, drinking or other "personal" peccadillos - especially in settings that rely heavily upon authoritarian structure and hierarchy.

The league doesn't see it that way.

Lawrence, Gregory, and McClain will all miss a considerable portion of the upcoming season. Hardy is available to play in all 16 games.

And, again, I only wish I could see or read credible proof of any of the rumored "insubordination", and "disrespect to authority" and "rebellion" that's commonly cited as a valid reason for Hardy not being back. If I had credible proof of what it was, it would help me to personally judge whether it warranted NFL exile for the player and a huge weakness for the team.

 

[tyke1doe]

The league doesn't see it that way.

That's because the league doesn't fit a strict authoritarian structure like an NFL team. It's Goodell and the 32 owners. But if Goodell disrespect the league's owners or tells him to kiss where the sun don't shine, Goodell would be Gonedell.

Second, the league's job is to establish and enforce policy. Insubordination is something a team would deal with, not the league necessarily.

Lawrence, Gregory, and McClain will all miss a considerable portion of the upcoming season. Hardy is available to play in all 16 games.

He's available if someone wants him. Apparently, no one does.

And, again, I only wish I could see or read credible proof of any of the rumored "insubordination", and "disrespect to authority" and "rebellion" that's commonly cited as a valid reason for Hardy not being back. If I had credible proof of what it was, it would help me to personally judge whether it warranted NFL exile for the player and a huge weakness for the team.

I can understand you wanting to see evidence. Unfortunately, we really don't get much evidence of many issues involving players and teams.

However, for me, I can't see why the Cowboys wouldn't want to re-sign Hardy to a friendly deal, especially since they've already taken the PR hit for the initial signing Hardy. I think he's not with the Cowboys for two reasons:

1. He was insubordinate, and I say this because of rumors about his conduct and behavior both with the Cowboys and the Panthers and
2. He wouldn't remain silent about his domestic abuse situation, instead adding more fuel to the fire with his interview with Shefty.

I think the combination of the two resulted in the Cowboys saying, "See ya!" However, I honestly believe had Hardy been the model citizen with the Cowboys, he would still be with the team, regardless of the leaked pictures of Holder and her bruises.

 

[Denim Chicken]

It is like he received a Life sentence for a DV charge AFTER he served his suspension and took a PR shellacking and a one-sided contract....on the field he was as good as could be expected but even after the charges were dropped and the record expunged he was black-balled and the public excuse is that he was late to a few meetings

Yet the team gives guys like Randle, RoMcClain, Gregory and Claiborne chance after chance...it would be better if they just said "we underestimated the backlash that signing Greg would cause and even though we pretended to stand by him, we are using the photos seen out of context to completely ties with him and but we do wish him the best in the future"

It wasn't until they squeezed every ounce out of the deal did they mount their high horse and start the dis-information campaign.....the silence has been deafening

The contract was not one sided. He got 11 million for 6 sacks.

 

[Stash]

That's because the league doesn't fit a strict authoritarian structure like an NFL team. It's Goodell and the 32 owners. But if Goodell disrespect the league's owners or tells him to kiss where the sun don't shine, Goodell would be Gonedell.

Second, the league's job is to establish and enforce policy. Insubordination is something a team would deal with, not the league necessarily.

And if it existed, they certainly should have. The question is, why didn't they?

He's available if someone wants him. Apparently, no one does.

Outside of Dallas, nobody did last year either. I don't see what this proves now.

I can understand you wanting to see evidence. Unfortunately, we really don't get much evidence of many issues involving players and teams.

However, for me, I can't see why the Cowboys wouldn't want to re-sign Hardy to a friendly deal, especially since they've already taken the PR hit for the initial signing Hardy. I think he's not with the Cowboys for two reasons:

1. He was insubordinate, and I say this because of rumors about his conduct and behavior both with the Cowboys and the Panthers and
2. He wouldn't remain silent about his domestic abuse situation, instead adding more fuel to the fire with his interview with Shefty.

I think the combination of the two resulted in the Cowboys saying, "See ya!" However, I honestly believe had Hardy been the model citizen with the Cowboys, he would still be with the team, regardless of the leaked pictures of Holder and her bruises.

I agree that he didn't take full advantage of the second chance given to him. I have no doubt about that. But, unless his actions were well beyond twice being late, I'm not sure that they warrant sending him into exile and seriously weakening this team.

And, if they were that bad, why didn't this team and coaching staff discipline him last season? In my opinion, that inaction is a big part of the reason nobody is willing to talk about it. It would paint a picture of an ineffectual coach whose hands are tied by a meddling owner.

Again, it's just my opinion, but I think there are several people involved in the situation that failed to handle things as well as they could have and should have.

 

[zrinkill]

I do not understand how much proof these internet GM's need? People in the league who spend time dealing with Hardy have spoken.

He is a great football player yet nobody is touching him ....... what does that tell you?

Do people really think there is a league wide conspiracy between all 32 NFL teams too blackball Hardy?

Give me a break.

 

[Nightman]

I do not understand how much proof these internet GM's need? People in the league who spend time dealing with Hardy have spoken.

He is a great football player yet nobody is touching him ....... what does that tell you?

Do people really think there is a league wide conspiracy between all 32 NFL teams too blackball Hardy?

Give me a break.

He has been black-balled...slapped with the Scarlett Letter....it is called collusion in other circles....the facts are irrelevant....the powers that be have decided he is not worthy of playing in the NFL and anyone that goes against them will run afoul of the league....nobody wants to kick the golden goose for a guy that has been tarred and feathered like Hardy

It is unfair and uncalled for but no one is going to stand up for a guy like Hardy when it is so easy just to join the mob, burn him at the stake and move on.....even if he is guilty of putting his hands on that woman, his punishment has been too severe....making an example of him is important to protecting the shield...

 

[zrinkill]

He has been black-balled...slapped with the Scarlett Letter....it is called collusion in other circles....the facts are irrelevant....the powers that be have decided he is not worthy of playing in the NFL and anyone that goes against them will run afoul of the league....nobody wants to kick the golden goose for a guy that has been tarred and feathered like Hardy

It is unfair and uncalled for but no one is going to stand up for a guy like Hardy when it is so easy just to join the mob, burn him at the stake and move on.....even if he is guilty of putting his hands on that woman, his punishment has been too severe....making an example of him is important to protecting the shield...

So its a conspiracy against poor old Hardy .... I am sure Johnny Football thinks the same thing.

Poor guys ........ there is nothing they could have done to improve their situations.

Even only some team would have given Hardy a chance last year and he did not act like an immature, unprofessional, moron.

But its never his fault ....... just a conspiracy against him.

 

[Nightman]

So its a conspiracy against poor old Hardy .... I am sure Johnny Football thinks the same thing.

Poor guys ........ there is nothing they could have done to improve their situations.

Even only some team would have given Hardy a chance last year and he did not act like an immature, unprofessional, moron.

But its never his fault ....... just a conspiracy against him.

Comparing those 2 shows how ill-informed you are

 

[zrinkill]

Comparing those 2 shows how ill-informed you are

I did not compare them ......only how their clueless fans claim conspiracy's against them.

Making excuses for either shows how ill-informed you are.

 

[erod]

According to some people, definitely. Again, speaking for myself, I've seen no conclusive evidence that his behavior warranted this complete break from a team with a serious issue at the position, especially when they continue to employ guys who continue to get suspended and make themselves totally unavailable.

They don't have to show or prove anything to us.

But I would suggest that 32 teams treating him like a leper with cooties is a pretty good clue.

 

[Stash]

They don't have to show or prove anything to us.

Each if us is entitled to our own level of proof. If fans want to solely blame Hardy and assume that all of the rumors are true, they're free to do that. Likewise, I'm free to continue to question the circumstances and whether his real actions justified his split from the team.

But I would suggest that 32 teams treating him like a leper with cooties is a pretty good clue.

31 did the exact same thing last year. All it proves for them is that their position is unchanged. It does nothing to show that Dallas' change of heart is now justified.

 

[zrinkill]

31 did the exact same thing last year.

Yes ....... Jerry Jones is the most forgiving ...... ready to look past faults ...... owner/GM in the league to a fault. ...... and he is even done with Hardy ...... what should that tell you?

 

[tyke1doe]

And if it existed, they certainly should have. The question is, why didn't they?





Outside of Dallas, nobody did last year either. I don't see what this proves now.



I agree that he didn't take full advantage of the second chance given to him. I have no doubt about that. But, unless his actions were well beyond twice being late, I'm not sure that they warrant sending him into exile and seriously weakening this team.

And, if they were that bad, why didn't this team and coaching staff discipline him last season? In my opinion, that inaction is a big part of the reason nobody is willing to talk about it. It would paint a picture of an ineffectual coach whose hands are tied by a meddling owner.

Again, it's just my opinion, but I think there are several people involved in the situation that failed to handle things as well as they could have and should have.

Fair enough.

 

[Stash]

Yes ....... Jerry Jones is the most forgiving ...... ready to look past faults ...... owner/GM in the league to a fault. ...... and he is even done with Hardy ...... what should that tell you?

It tells me that he acquiesced to the wishes of Garrett and his son. Deservedly or not, Jerry will side with his son and Garrett over any player. But that doesn't mean that Garrett was right or justified in this. Again, I've seen other productive players kept around despite far worse transgressions. Stronger coaches like Johnson and Parcells were able to co-exist with some bad apples on their team and got what they need to from them in order to win.

Given the lack of solid proof, it's just as easy to assume that Garrett was unable to handle a high-maintenance, pain-in-the-*** player like Hardy where his predecessors could. And that shortcoming could prove damaging to this team's chances in 2016, every bit as much, if not more, as having a bad apple in the locker room.