CZ POLL Should Jason Garrett be fired?

Should Jason Garrett be fired?

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crashintonickdm said:
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Give him another year? Are you high? He’s been the coach for 7 years with no results other than dubious statistics. Enough is enough.
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2014: 12-4
2015: 4-12
2016: 13-3
2017: 5-6

2014- great year, won division, beat Detroit in the playoffs and then beat by Rodgers (a HOF QB and possibly the 2nd goat)

2015- Romo was hurt (along with Dez) and our awesome GM decided Brandon Weeden and Matt Cassel were two fantastic back ups ro have on the roster for an aging, injury prone qb. No coach would have done much better in that situation.

2016- best record in the NFC and lose on a last minute nail biter of a throw to Rodgers once again, followed by a 50+? yard FG for the win

2017- rolling along with a depleted secondary and then we have 3-4 Pro Bowlers go down at the same time, not easy to overcome for any coach with the lack of depth Jerry has provided

So am I high? Unfortunately not but I don't think firing him after the past few seasons records and under the circumstances this season is a "must". The number one issue here is Jerry and it always has been other than hiring JJ. Just another typical knee jerk reaction like several of the others I mentioned. Remember the days when sooo many people here wanted Romo gone and now they idolize him and forget that even he made mistakes and cost us playoff games? I do.
 
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aria said:
2014: 12-4
2015: 4-12
2016: 13-3
2017: 5-6

2014- great year, won division, beat Detroit in the playoffs and then beat by Rodgers (a HOF QB and possibly the 2nd goat)

2015- Romo was hurt (along with Dez) and our awesome GM decided Brandon Weeden and Matt Cassel were two fantastic back ups ro have on the roster for an aging, injury prone qb. No coach would have done much better in that situation.

2016- best record in the NFC and lose on a last minute nail biter of a throw to Rodgers once again, followed by a 50+? yard FG for the win

2017- rolling along with a depleted secondary and then we have 3-4 Pro Bowlers go down at the same time, not easy to overcome for any coach with the lack of depth Jerry has provided

So am I high? Unfortunately not but I don't think firing him after the past few seasons records and under the circumstances this season is a "must". The number one issue here is Jerry and it always has been other than hiring JJ. Just another typical knee jerk reaction like several of the others I mentioned. Remember the days when sooo many people here wanted Romo gone and now they idolize him and forget that even he made mistakes and cost us playoff games? I do.
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Uh yes, you forgot about 8-8, 8-8, and 8-8.
 
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aria said:
2014: 12-4
2015: 4-12
2016: 13-3
2017: 5-6

2014- great year, won division, beat Detroit in the playoffs and then beat by Rodgers (a HOF QB and possibly the 2nd goat)

2015- Romo was hurt (along with Dez) and our awesome GM decided Brandon Weeden and Matt Cassel were two fantastic back ups ro have on the roster for an aging, injury prone qb. No coach would have done much better in that situation.

2016- best record in the NFC and lose on a last minute nail biter of a throw to Rodgers once again, followed by a 50+? yard FG for the win

2017- rolling along with a depleted secondary and then we have 3-4 Pro Bowlers go down at the same time, not easy to overcome for any coach with the lack of depth Jerry has provided

So am I high? Unfortunately not but I don't think firing him after the past few seasons records and under the circumstances this season is a "must". The number one issue here is Jerry and it always has been other than hiring JJ. Just another typical knee jerk reaction like several of the others I mentioned. Remember the days when sooo many people here wanted Romo gone and now they idolize him and forget that even he made mistakes and cost us playoff games? I do.
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Those records, even without his 3 8-8 seasons (that tells more of a larger story, considering he had a top 5-7 QB and offense, /digress) are proof of extreme highs and lows.

Through 6 full seasons, he has 4 seasons of at or below .500, Aria, with the jury still out on this one (his 7th full season). Unacceptable for a franhcise of our size and impact and history. He'd be fired, already, if we had the right FO. Our FO (minus McClay) would be fired if we had the right owner. I guess that's for a different thread, tho.
 
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birdwells1 said:
Uh yes, you forgot about 8-8, 8-8, and 8-8.
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I'm not going to bash a brand new head coach for being 8-8 his first season or two. He took over a Wade Phillips team that was 1-7 at the time and at least went 5-3.

Wasn't 2012 the year Romo was sacked for his career high of ~35 sacks? What does that say about the O line? Murray also was hurt and IIRC Felix Jones was the awesome replacement and combined they had one of the worst rushing seasons ever. Sean Lee once again hurt. Josh Brent was already starting as a back up when he killed his teammate during the season. The list goes on and on. I'm surprised we actually went 8-8 honestly but hey it's all JG's fault and has nothing to do with Jerry and his stupidity when it comes to being a GM and hence therefore an owner.
 
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I'm not going to bash a brand new head coach for being 8-8 his first season or two. He took over a Wade Phillips team that was 1-7 at the time and at least went 5-3.

Wasn't 2012 the year Romo was sacked for his career high of ~35 sacks? What does that say about the O line? Murray also was hurt and IIRC Felix Jones was the awesome replacement and combined they had one of the worst rushing seasons ever. Sean Lee once again hurt. Josh Brent was already starting as a back up when he killed his teammate during the season. The list goes on and on. I'm surprised we actually went 8-8 honestly but hey it's all JG's fault and has nothing to do with Jerry and his stupidity when it comes to being a GM and hence therefore an owner.
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At a certain point, Aria, it's just time to move on. He was given 7 years, an eternity for an NHL head coach, esp Jones. He didn't win, or even get us close. And his regular season resume is meh.
 
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Those records, even without his 3 8-8 seasons (that tells more of a larger story, considering he had a top 5-7 QB and offense, /digress) are proof of extreme highs and lows.

Through 6 full seasons, he has 4 seasons of at or below .500, Aria, with the jury still out on this one (his 7th full season). Unacceptable for a franhcise of our size and impact and history. He'd be fired, already, if we had the right FO. Our FO (minus McClay) would be fired if we had the right owner. I guess that's for a different thread, tho.
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The one season he had below .500 was when he took over for Philips. The next two full seasons he coached were 8-8 and plagued with injuries and drama. He recently won a division and had the best record in the conference only to lose by a few points to one of the best qb's of all time. A lot of coaches with similar talent and considered to be good lost to AR. Both of those games literally game down to one or two plays. It could have gone either way if certain players didn't blow assignments or turnover the ball, you can't pin that all on Garrett.

I refuse to pin this season on him under the circumstances but you can if you want. Also, no offense buddy, but this franchise has barely had any impact in 2 decades and the one and only common factor is Jerry Jones. A lot of teams that eventually became successful (thinking Coughlin and Cowher) stuck with their coaches through A LOT and some of it was much worse then what JG has done with less talent. A top 5-8 qb without the surrounding pieces doesn't mean jack.

BTW, Jimmy Johnson started off with two losing seasons then went on to win one playoff game after an 11-5 season, followed by two SB's with a 13-3 and 12-4 season. Bill Parcells was 10-6, 6-10, 9-7, 9-7. Point being it can be argued that Jimmy had more talent, Parcells had an overall worse record than JG.
 
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aria said:
The one season he had below .500 was when he took over for Philips. The next two full seasons he coached were 8-8 and plagued with injuries and drama. He recently won a division and had the best record in the conference only to lose by a few points to one of the best qb's of all time. A lot of coaches with similar talent and considered to be good lost to AR. Both of those games literally game down to one or two plays. It could have gone either way if certain players didn't blow assignments or turnover the ball, you can't pin that all on Garrett.

I refuse to pin this season on him under the circumstances but you can if you want. Also, no offense buddy, but this franchise has barely had any impact in 2 decades and the one and only common factor is Jerry Jones. A lot of teams that eventually became successful (thinking Coughlin and Cowher) stuck with their coaches through A LOT and some of it was much worse then what JG has done with less talent. A top 5-8 qb without the surrounding pieces doesn't mean jack.

BTW, Jimmy Johnson started off with two losing seasons then went on to win one playoff game after an 11-5 season, followed by two SB's with a 13-3 and 12-4 season. Bill Parcells was 10-6, 6-10, 9-7, 9-7. Point being it can be argued that Jimmy had more talent, Parcells had an overall worse record than JG.
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That is not true he went 5-3 has head coach when he took over
 
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The one season he had below .500 was when he took over for Philips. The next two full seasons he coached were 8-8 and plagued with injuries and drama. He recently won a division and had the best record in the conference only to lose by a few points to one of the best qb's of all time. A lot of coaches with similar talent and considered to be good lost to AR. Both of those games literally game down to one or two plays. It could have gone either way if certain players didn't blow assignments or turnover the ball, you can't pin that all on Garrett.

I refuse to pin this season on him under the circumstances but you can if you want. Also, no offense buddy, but this franchise has barely had any impact in 2 decades and the one and only common factor is Jerry Jones. A lot of teams that eventually became successful (thinking Coughlin and Cowher) stuck with their coaches through A LOT and some of it was much worse then what JG has done with less talent. A top 5-8 qb without the surrounding pieces doesn't mean jack.

BTW, Jimmy Johnson started off with two losing seasons then went on to win one playoff game after an 11-5 season, followed by two SB's with a 13-3 and 12-4 season. Bill Parcells was 10-6, 6-10, 9-7, 9-7. Point being it can be argued that Jimmy had more talent, Parcells had an overall worse record than JG.
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2015, 4-12. He was actually above .500 when he stepped in for Philips. But I only include his full 6 seasons, going on his 7th.

This season, and his team's record during his tenure isn't "only on him." But a lot of it is. A good coach coaches up the team, Aria. Garrett never did that.

Garrett has far surpassed Jimmy Johnson's 3rd year tenure-ship. Going on four years after the fact. Parcells was a known winner/great, and turned the franchise around. As for record, Parcells vs. Garrett, JG has had 3 more seasons here than the Tuna had, so he should have a better record. But Parcells only had 1 at or below .500 season, to Garrett's four (to address your final take, brother).
 
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Trouty said:
At a certain point, Aria, it's just time to move on. He was given 7 years, an eternity for an NHL head coach, esp Jones. He didn't win, or even get us close. And his regular season resume is meh.
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I agree for the most part Trouty, if JJ didn't let the entire secondary walk, Lee wasn't injured, Zeke wasn't suspended, Smith wasn't out for so long, Dak falling off, now Martin with the concussion and no serviceable back ups at line backer or OL I just don't agree with it after what he did last year. I agree a team shouldn't fall apart after a few i injuries but when they're all pro bowlers and there is NO DEPTH which is due to Jerry then I can't agree with firing the HC right after a 13-3 season.

Can we agree to disagree? I really don't have anything else to add that I haven't already said so I'll leave it at that.
 
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2015, 4-12. He was actually above .500 when he stepped in for Philips. But I only include his full 6 seasons, going on his 7th.

This season, and his team's record during his tenure isn't "only on him." But a lot of it is. A good coach coaches up the team, Aria. Garrett never did that.

Garrett has far surpassed Jimmy Johnson's 3rd year tenure-ship. Going on four years after the fact. Parcells was a known winner/great, and turned the franchise around. As for record, Parcells vs. Garrett, JG has had 3 more seasons here than the Tuna had, so he should have a better record. But Parcells only had 1 at or below .500 season, to Garrett's four (to address your final take, brother).
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Parcells also turned it around because we all know he didn't put up with Jerry's nonsense and called the shots. No other coach has had that same freedom which is why I don't think we'll ever get another "great" u til Jerry steps down lor lays down. Also, I will split hairs 9-7 vs 8-8 isn't a big difference.
 
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