Should QB's be limited how much they make?

[gjkoeppen]

I didn't mention race, only gpa. I have a good friend who was a former mlb player. (Pretty good one). He has 3 kids, 4 years apart. He paid college costs for 12 years in a row. Destroyed his retirement plans. Imo, kids that work hard should be rewarded regardless of race. What greater reward than an education.

I agree but what I said is the reason why it doesn't happen. When colleges are required by law to accept a certain percentage of minorities, many with lower GPA's than some whites that then get turned down because not enough available room and then pay everything for these minority students and not putting all the expense on the taxpayers they charge for students who parents worked hard and have jobs that can pay. My niece graduated high school with a 3.94 GPA and wasn't going to be denied getting into college but there are a lot of white students with 3.0 GPA's that don't get admitted because having to accept a minority to fill their quota. In one way I agree with giving all students regardless of race who work hard in high school and graduate with a 3.0 or higher GPA a tuition free college education in a state school but I also realize that to do that would greatly increase my tax burden and I'm not to excited to have to pay more taxes to send a kid to school when their parents could pay for their own kids education. I'm not to crazy about paying to send someone else kids to school because when they started having kids and thought about them going to college they didn't start putting money aside when the were babies to pay for their college.
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[gjkoeppen]

Labor cost are not all that high especially in the service industry which makes up most of the new growth in our economy. Most retail and restaurant payrolls are 20-30% of their cost and their cost for goods sold is their greatest cost which is anywhere from 40-60% on average or more. And owners take home after all expenses is usually closer to 1-5%.

I’d consider the players to be part of the product sold not just labor cost. And remember only the ticket sales and TV revenue is shared. The stadium revenues beyond ticket sales , merchandise and sponsorships are not part of the Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA).

You are wrong. The players get their cut of TV, game ticket sales and NFL merchandise, per the CBA. The percentage they get is less on the merchandise and that's why it gets averaged out to be 48% of the revenue generated from those things. The players get 55% of the TV revenue and with the lower percentage on merchandise is why it comes out to 48%. Second I work for a national retail/service company that started as a single store (the one I work in) and has grown into a national chain. Every year in Jan. the employees get a state of the company letter that explains what happened the previous year. Where as they do not give exact numbers they do use percentages and every year employee cost is the highest cost. Product, that is far from the highest. We as employees can purchase anything in the store for 7% above cost and that covers the shipping cost of the product and charging at least 1% profit to not violate the federal law of not selling at a loss. When we see what our cost is and what the paying customer has to pay we know product cost aren't anywhere close to the highest cost. There are things that cost the company 34 cents and our cost is 37 cents but the public pays $6.49 for that item. I will say that in the restaurant type businesses employee cost aren't the highest because they rely on tips, but I didn't say ALL businesses, I said most.
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[gjkoeppen]

They are also known as some of the greatest champions in their respective sports because of their lower salaries, which is my point more than anything. So if you think you have a chance to be like them, you can go for it. Or, you can be a very rich player who may or may not become a champion.

They became champions because they are good. The reason they signed smallish contracts was already explained. In short because they had other streams of income that afforded them to sign smallish contracts. Gee LeBron James has the biggest contract in the NBA and you're saying because he has the biggest that he'll never be remembered. Your adding of things is like 1 + 1 = 5.
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[gjkoeppen]

not what we are saying you can use the entire 95% but spread it out to build a better team instead of 4 great players and bunch of Jags, its what happens when you pay a QB 30 mil year , a DE 30 mil year, a CB/DB 30 mil year, and a WR 25mil year and rb 20 mil year..see the issue, where the money for the rest of the team?

this is what the other players are asking for now because the QBs some like Kirk, flacco, Stafford and a ton of other who do not play like 30mil QB they are way overpaid because teams are willing to do it as its the trend, the trend needs to eb bucked and some kind of cap even if its internal you cant overpay any player just because its the market..a new market needs to eb set.. sure the QB should the the highest paid, hes the General but no way should they make so much it can cripple building your team..IMO QBs should be caped at percentage as other positions as well , cant put numbers on it as cap changes and other things but theres got to be a way to figure it out so you have money to have depth along the entire team..

First there is only 2 QB's that make 30 or more a season and DE's there is ZERO that make 30 mil a season. There's ZERO that even make 20 mil a season. CB's ZERO at 30 mil a season, ZERO at 20 mil a season, in fact there's only ONE that makes half of 30 mil at 15 mil a season. WR's ZERO at 25 mil a season, ZERO at 20 mil a season, ONE at 18 mil a season. RB ZERO at 20 mil a season, ZERO at 15 mil a season, there are a couple at 14mil a season. But by and large you're way way way off on what you think players make.
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[gjkoeppen]

But you can't have a half-*** socialist league (what we have now), that's much worse than having a fully socialist league (capped teams, and capped players). This is the problem, it ruins the league by discouraging team building and penalizes teams that draft well by disallowing them to re-sign their own.

I'm ok with a fully capitalist league, but the hypocritical owners don't want that so it's a moot point.

First I seriously doubt you even understand why and how the cap started and is now. It started so the 2 or 3 super wealthy owners couldn't buy up all the talent like Jones did prior to the cap. The Cowboys paid backups starting type pay and had an unbelievable depth at just about every position. So the cap was started to make it an even playing field for all teams. Unfortunately for the Cowboys with the payroll they had they had to let a lot of players go and were in cap he11 in dead money from the start until this year. They continue the cap to try and keep the field level. They don't do it for socialistic reasons. Every team has the power to negotiate contracts they wish to and I'll bet that at some point in the next few years they will stop the excessive contracts for QB's on there own without any player caps. I TOTALLY against socialism and fully support the free enterprise capitalistic society.
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[Rayman70]

yes, QB's should have a max deal or cap-out AT a certain number. But they don't...so.

 

[gjkoeppen]

yes, QB's should have a max deal or cap-out AT a certain number. But they don't...so.

The go start a league in some socialistic country and have all your caps. So then at some point you would have bad QB's making as much as the really good ones who have capped out because all QB contracts will continue to rise until they cap out.
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[Rayman70]

The go start a league in some socialistic country and have all your caps. So then at some point you would have bad QB's making as much as the really good ones who have capped out because all QB contracts will continue to rise until they cap out.
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whoa there dude. Don't get triggered. This isn't politics. We all have an opinion and don't always agree. CHILL. The question was asked and I simply answered. Its fair to say you didn't like it...oh well.

 

[Rayman70]

QB's should be paid according to tiered performance level, according to wins,losses, and stats. But a QB tier that is based on performance would work for me. At some point the asinine money that QB;s get has to top out somewhere soon because its a team killer and bad for the game. Look at Kirk Cousins' deal. They actually went backwards with him at the helm.Case Keenum fit that system and performed better than him the year before.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

He is free to seek out a super model that is single, plenty of them are free

 

[BoltsNHorns]

Blame the players for negotiating a cap into the NFL back in the day. Hope you dont find out that the owners are making more than all the players and coaches combined.....oops.

So what without the owner, there is no product and team on the field.

 

[cristglo]

I dont think there is a clear cut answer to this. As a player you put your body on the line and risk your health. That one play might be your last play. So you want to get paid because after football you still have to provide for your family and if you get hurt and you dont get that big payday then your family is screwed. We all want to be paid what we are worth.
Then you have the owners side of paying players a big payday then the dont preform or the get hurt or suspended. As an owner you invest in money and in time and you depend on a player to be there stay clean stay healthy and help your team win games and bring home the big prize when its all said and done. We have seen where teams have payed players big contracts then once they got the money their play disappeared. We have seen where paying QB's big money have kept teams from getting better players around the team. Aaron Rodgers complaining about how bad his WR were but didnt see him saying I will take a pay cut so we can bring someone like AB here and bring home that SB trophy. Then you have players like Bell,Cousins who want to be overpaid.
The sad part its the fans that suffer the most because we are caught in the middle. Yes its a business but to us its a game that we truly love to watch. Gone pretty much are the days when players play because they just Love the game. Its a league of Show me the Money

 

[baltcowboy]

It's a business. This is his life. He should squeeze money out of it. He doesn't have a billionaire super model wife to pay the bills. This next contract largely sets his finances for his family for generations.

Having said that, there are advantages to playing for the Cowboys, with endorsement deals, visibility, and no income tax. But I'm sure Jerry reminds everyone of that.

How much does Dak make off endorsements? I here just being a Cowboy player and living in the Dallas Fort Worth area you are pretty much set.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Dear Fellow Fanzone Freaks--- I am so sick and tired of how much money QB's make in NFL compared

the rest of the players on a team...plus it cripples the team from being able to put quality players

at other positions....we have all heard the top 6 QB's who make the most money in NFL were not even

in the playoffs...i am so sick of it...the good teams have QB's that take less so other players can make

more and have a better team...i wish Dak would step up and say...i am only taking 15 mil a year cause

i want and need good players around me!!...but he wont...he will be a money grabber probably

what do you all think????..thanks for your views in advance

sincerely
GORICO

no, I disagree. I think the rules are in place and the market will right itself. there is a cap and team have to manage the cap. over pay a QB, and you will have holes in other areas. don't get a QB and you can't make it, so they have to balance it out. teams make it to the Super Bowl and championship games, so its working. at some point, if the asking price is too high, no team will want that player and the price drops....its supply and demand with a cap....its fine as it is. smart team and FOs, do a good job of it....

 

[blueblood70]

First there is only 2 QB's that make 30 or more a season and DE's there is ZERO that make 30 mil a season. There's ZERO that even make 20 mil a season. CB's ZERO at 30 mil a season, ZERO at 20 mil a season, in fact there's only ONE that makes half of 30 mil at 15 mil a season. WR's ZERO at 25 mil a season, ZERO at 20 mil a season, ONE at 18 mil a season. RB ZERO at 20 mil a season, ZERO at 15 mil a season, there are a couple at 14mil a season. But by and large you're way way way off on what you think players make.
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its headed that way is the point if it doesnt get stopped..4 players make way too much and it inhibits the building of team and its getting worse..

 

[HungryLion]

The idea of having max contracts isn’t that far out to left field. The NBA has limits on contract size.

Admittedly it’s a different sport and the difference between positions isn’t as drastic as the difference between positions in the NFL. Plus rosterd are much smaller.

But again the idea of max contracts isn’t a crazy idea.
I just don’t think it works in the NFL. It certainly doesn’t work without drastically changing how the salary cap works. Because even though the NBA has max contracts, their salary cap is far different than the NFL’s in how it works.

The way the NFL salary cap is structured and the way talent acquisition works in the NFL, It makes far more sense to let the market dictate contract sizes.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I don't think Dak brought Brady in, Brady was brought in by others arguing that Dak shouldn't be trying to get his market value.

How much does Dak want to win? Everybody wants to win. The question is what game they're trying to win. For us it's a game. For Dak it's his life. Winning at life is how well you take care of your family, not how many trophies you get for throwing a ball.

When teams chew up players and spit them out, we hear "it's a business". It's a business from the player's perspective as well. It's their job to make money for their families.

What people don't get about Jerry is that he's been the NFL champion owner for years. I think he's gone beyond most valuable NFL franchise to most valuable sports franchise in the world. He's a businessman. That's the game he's playing. He's in the sports entertainment business, and he's #1.

Doesn't matter. If that topic is brought in, you just don't talk about it. Don't go down that path and that's playing out right now. That's why you never ever do this.

Lets don't make this into something it's not here. That whole, "it's a business" BS is just that, on both sides. Of course the owners make money but guess what, so do QBs. Bottom line, if Dak wants to win, he is sensible about his situation. If he wants to make money, then he will lose and the team will always be on the outside looking in. That's just the truth of it.

 

[buybuydandavis]

How much does Dak make off endorsements? I here just being a Cowboy player and living in the Dallas Fort Worth area you are pretty much set.

This one says 2.5mil last year.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...k-dak-prescott-makes-almost-five-s-nfl-salary

 

[buybuydandavis]

Doesn't matter. If that topic is brought in, you just don't talk about it. Don't go down that path and that's playing out right now. That's why you never ever do this.

Lets don't make this into something it's not here. That whole, "it's a business" BS is just that, on both sides. Of course the owners make money but guess what, so do QBs. Bottom line, if Dak wants to win, he is sensible about his situation. If he wants to make money, then he will lose and the team will always be on the outside looking in. That's just the truth of it.

Players want to make money. Are they going to blame the other guy for wanting his?

Believe that players play for the love of the game if you like. Believe that winning a trophy is more important to them then the wealth they can provide their families. I don't believe it.

Dak wants to win more for his family's future than your entertainment or the rest of the team's happiness. I'd consider him a weirdo if he felt otherwise.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Players want to make money. Are they going to blame the other guy for wanting his?

Believe that players play for the love of the game if you like. Believe that winning a trophy is more important to them then the wealth they can provide their families. I don't believe it.

Dak wants to win more for his family's future than your entertainment or the rest of the team's happiness. I'd consider him a weirdo if he felt otherwise.

I've already said that other players will not do this but that doesn't change the economics of it. I don't know where you are getting all of this, "play for the love of the game" stuff. I never said that so that must either be something somebody else said or something made up. I never said anything like that. I said if he wants to win, he must understand that there is a financial balance to it. If he is just in it for the money, then fine but then we don't need to be acting like he is the standard for the team or that he is as important to the goal of winning as some suggest. By not recognizing this fact, he is in effect, acting counter productive to the team goal, which is winning a championship. What ever he wants to do, that's fine and it's his right but what it's not is a thought process that is supporting the team goal. That's just the truth of it.

If you feel as if he is a weirdo for not recognizing this fact, that's fine. I would consider him as highly intelligent and intuitive. If he is successful in Dallas and if he wins and becomes a household name, he stands to earn much more money, both on his next contract and outside of football, then if he goes for the whole ball of wax (which by the way is no guarantee) IMO. There is some logic in settling for less then the 25/30 million, whatever the number is.