Should the quarterback position be devalued?

[jazzcat22]

2 players handle the ball on every play.

Their is a difference between devalue and over value of the QB position.

Yes the Center as well. But that is just the snap. He is not running the offense as the QB does.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

The only way that happens is if the running back starts to get back to where it was until AP. With how critical QBs are, it probably won't happen. What you might see is either a max contract system or a system that allows a team to designate one player to be exempt from the salary cap. The first, the players association would probably not accept, but it's function is obvious. The former, they probably would accept, would allow teams to sign one player to any contract they want and does not count against the salary cap.

 

[Chasing6]

Yes the Center as well. But that is just the snap. He is not running the offense as the QB does.

The Center also makes a lot of OLine calls.

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

This will never ever happen. The NFL is all about trying to provoke parity. The NFL is anything but parity even though they claim it is but they do everything they can to try and make it happen. They are never going to allow teams with superstar QBs like KC to stockpile even more talent. All that will keep happening is the cap rising with all the salaries that keep rising.

Probably true.

I wonder if they think it's good business to have the NFL the way it is now.....vs yhebway it was in late 80s and 90s, when there were powerhouses that were great for 4, 5 ,6 years...like SF, Dal,Buffalo, etc.

The NFL did explode in that era.

 

[Buzzbait]

Let's just do away with the salary cap and make this more interesting.....a level playing field is overrated

I'd go along with that. I liked football a lot more before they started interfering with it!

 

[leeblair]

I'd go along with that. I liked football a lot more before they started interfering with it!

It turns out that "parity" in the league is actually "parody".

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Probably true.

I wonder if they think it's good business to have the NFL the way it is now.....vs yhebway it was in late 80s and 90s, when there were powerhouses that were great for 4, 5 ,6 years...like SF, Dal,Buffalo, etc.

The NFL did explode in that era.

And that's different from the Chiefs being a powerhouse how? Ironically, I think the salary cap and the idea of forced party has made it harder for teams to challenge the powerhouses when they come around. At least in the time you're referring to, there were teams that could challenge the powerhouses.

 

[shabazz]

I'd go along with that. I liked football a lot more before they started interfering with it!

Yup......remember when it wasn't a penalty to tackle the quarteback?

 

[kskboys]

So my dear Daksters, what you are saying is that the QB is indeed the most important position (by far) of any football team and therefore the guy in that position is mostly responsible for the outcome of games? Or at least has a bigger impact on the outcome than anybody else?

I agree. Goes for the post season too by the way.

This is not about Dak. Be nice if we could have a convo w/o some lame attempt to bring him into it.

 

[kskboys]

Why? We aren't capping what owners make are we? Didn't think so.

Completely different convo.

 

[Buzzbait]

Yup......remember when it wasn't a penalty to tackle the quarteback?

I remember.

 

[Bullflop]

It seems to me that the QB will always be regarded as the most important player on the team (regardless of a salary cap or not.)

Of course, if someone is to make that judgment from the position of the team's owner, then a devaluation of the QB would be desirable.

Then again if that same judgment is to come from the position of a fan or another member of the team, it might also be a desirable idea.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Yup......remember when it wasn't a penalty to tackle the quarteback?

Pepperidge Farm remembers

 

[GMO415]

With the NFL going overboard to protect quarterbacks, today's quarterbacks don't have to do as much as quarterbacks in the past did.
Troy Aikman suffered concussions from the hits he took while making big plays for the Cowboys, as did many quarterbacks back in the early nineties and before.
Today the quarterbacks are basically playing two hand touch. Any contact with them more than that usually results in a huge penalty and sometimes a fine.
With the quarterback position being so much easier to play, shouldn't their position be devalued , giving teams more money to spread around to guys who actually do the heavy hitting?

Eventually the QB will become more like the RB position, unless they dissolve the salary cap. No franchise can be successful with a $60+ million annual salary QB

 

[shabazz]

Pepperidge Farm remembers

Didn't this years Kentucky Derby winner come out of Prepperide Farm?

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Didn't this years Kentucky Derby winner come out of Prepperide Farm?

I'm not sure. Doesn't say on Wikipedia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystik_Dan

 

[Scotman]

What I'd recommend is a half-step between our current player/owner agreement for parity and halving some flexibility. Keep the cap for the team but allow the team to designate one player that isn't included in the cap. So, if you want to pay TONS for a player, you can...but just one. 90% of the teams would spend that on the QB. Smaller markets might hate it, though.

 

[America's Cowboy]

With the NFL going overboard to protect quarterbacks, today's quarterbacks don't have to do as much as quarterbacks in the past did.
Troy Aikman suffered concussions from the hits he took while making big plays for the Cowboys, as did many quarterbacks back in the early nineties and before.
Today the quarterbacks are basically playing two hand touch. Any contact with them more than that usually results in a huge penalty and sometimes a fine.
With the quarterback position being so much easier to play, shouldn't their position be devalued , giving teams more money to spread around to guys who actually do the heavy hitting?

Dak was sacked 43 times in 2023, that was 8th most amongst all starting QBs. Sam Howell was sacked the most leading with 65 sacks. The top 10 most sacked QBs in 2023 averaged 47.4 sacks.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/player-stat/passing-plays-sacked

By comparison, the most Troy Aikman was sacked in a season was 39 (1990), followed by 33 (1997), then 32 (1991) followed by 26 (1993).

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AikmTr00.htm

Take 1990 for instance when Troy Aikman was sacked the most in a season, the top 10 most sack numbers that season were:

49, 43, 43, 40, 39, 38, 37, 37, 36 and 34. That averages out to 39.6 sacks.

https://www.nfl.com/stats/player-stats/category/passing/1990/reg/all/passingsacked/desc

In 1997 when Troy was sacked the 2nd most in a season throughout his career, the top 10 most sack numbers that season were:

58, 52, 45, 43, 41, 41, 39, 39, 39 and 35. That averages out to 43.2 sacks.

https://www.nfl.com/stats/player-stats/category/passing/1997/reg/all/passingsacked/desc

That is still less than 2023's 47.4 sacks average amongst the top 10 highest sacked QBs.

Clearly, today's QBs are being pressured and sacked a lot more than during the 1990s.

It sure doesn't seem today's QBs are being coddled, so let's stop the nonsense.

 

[leeblair]

Dak was sacked 43 times in 2023, that was 8th most amongst all starting QBs. Sam Howell was sacked the most leading with 65 sacks. The top 10 most sacked QBs in 2023 averaged 47.4 sacks.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/player-stat/passing-plays-sacked

By comparison, the most Troy Aikman was sacked in a season was 39 (1990), followed by 33 (1997), then 32 (1991) followed by 26 (1993).

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AikmTr00.htm

Take 1990 for instance when Troy Aikman was sacked the most in a season, the top 10 most sack numbers that season were:

49, 43, 43, 40, 39, 38, 37, 37, 36 and 34. That averages out to 39.6 sacks.

https://www.nfl.com/stats/player-stats/category/passing/1990/reg/all/passingsacked/desc

In 1997 when Troy was sacked the 2nd most in a season throughout his career, the top 10 most sack numbers that season were:

58, 52, 45, 43, 41, 41, 39, 39, 39 and 35. That averages out to 43.2 sacks.

https://www.nfl.com/stats/player-stats/category/passing/1997/reg/all/passingsacked/desc

That is still less than 2023's 47.4 sacks average amongst the top 10 highest sacked QBs.

Clearly, today's QBs are being pressured and sacked a lot more than during the 1990s.

It sure doesn't seem today's QBs are being coddled, so let's stop the nonsense.

And the way they are sacked has changed so much- you conveniently left that out.
Nowadays they gently lay the quarterback down and cannot hit them the way they once did. They cannot put their weight on the quarterback, and the whistle is blown as soon as the quarterback is grabbed. And Dak has also benefitted as much as any quarterback on false "roughing the passer" penalties that extended drives that he couldn't do by himself.
STOP MISREPRESENTING STATS TO DECEIVE READERS!

 

[Chasing6]

And the way they are sacked has changed so much- you conveniently left that out.
Nowadays they gently lay the quarterback down and cannot hit them the way they once did.
STOP MISREPRESENTING STATS TO DECEIVE READERS!

Are the defensive players not bigger and faster now? Do QB's throw significantly more often?