Should we be worried about Tyron?

[TheRomoSexual]

There is sufficient evidence to say Watt is a better player than Tyron; see 2012 season.

You have sufficient evidence to prove that Watt is the currently the better player, not that he will always be or that, at the end of his career, he will be viewed as the better draft pick. I'm stunned that you can't grasp this concept.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

Watt's the reigning DPOY and arguably the most dominant player in the league, regardless of position. Tyron's done ok, his potential is where his value is at... but at the moment he's still an inconsistent tackle and has a ways to go before he's considered a top 10 LT, let alone top 5.

At the moment, there's just not much of anything one could argue that Tyron was a better pick than Watt. It was the definition of a NEED pick.

Oh, and on this point, Smith does not have that far before he can be considered a Top 10 tackle. In fact, I'd argue he played like a Top 10 tackle the second half of the 2012 season -- in the final eight games, Smith was a very solid run blocker, didn't give up a single sack, cut his pressure rate in half, and only had two penalties.

 

[Zordon]

Yes, it would be great if Romo and Orton are both dead by the 3rd game of the season.

Yes b/c Tyron has been a stone wall since entering the league.

What is the #1 defense of Tony Romo? That he's never played with an elite defense that can hold leads. Well JJ Watt would have changed that instantly. He was the more "Romo Friendly" pick.

 

[SDCowboy]

I am a bit worried. He was drafted to be the centerpiece of the oline and so far, IMO, he hasn't performed much better than average.

 

[Picksix]

Yes b/c Tyron has been a stone wall since entering the league.

What is the #1 defense of Tony Romo? That he's never played with an elite defense that can hold leads. Well JJ Watt would have changed that instantly. He was the more "Romo Friendly" pick.

For one, even with JJ Watt, Houston has had a lot of trouble stopping good offenses. For another, saying a lack of defense is the #1 defense of Tony Romo is debateable.

 

[SDCowboy]

Yes b/c Tyron has been a stone wall since entering the league.

What is the #1 defense of Tony Romo? That he's never played with an elite defense that can hold leads. Well JJ Watt would have changed that instantly. He was the more "Romo Friendly" pick.

The number one defense of Romo is his oline always suck.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

I am a bit worried. He was drafted to be the centerpiece of the oline and so far, IMO, he hasn't performed much better than average.

I completely disagree with this assessment. In 2011, his pressure rate (2.5%) was third best among RTs. And, as I pointed out above, I thought he played like a Top 10 tackle in the last 8 games of the 2012 season (no sacks allowed, ~3% pressure rate, etc.). The only time he's been "average" is his first few games as LT, which is understandable.

 

[SDCowboy]

I completely disagree with this assessment. In 2011, his pressure rate (2.5%) was third best among RTs. And, as I pointed out above, I thought he played like a Top 10 tackle in the last 8 games of the 2012 season (no sacks allowed, ~3% pressure rate, etc.). The only time he's been "average" is his first few games as LT, which is understandable.

I think he's solid. I just don't think he's quite where he was expected by many. Going into his 3rd season now, I think this is a big year for him.

 

[LatinMind]

sorry. should have included this the first time

http://cowboysblog.***BANNED-URL***...boy-cry-but-wr-dez-bryant-saves-the-day.html/

I remember plenty of days that scrub players had their day against starters, and then just disappeared. 2 days ago they were praising the whole OL on a good job of containing the pocket. And that was with Ware in there.

 

[Picksix]

The kid is still 22. He played very well as a rookie RT. He started out rough at LT last year, but got much better as the season went along. The line for the most part was crap. He was arguably the lone bright spot. He also didn't get much help last year either. New position, new OL coach, new schemes. He'll be fine.

As for whether we should have taken him or JJ Watt, well that's really a futile exercise. You can go back in hindsight, and come up with enough players who should have been taken, to fill a stadium. That's for any team, not just the Cowboys. I wish we would have taken Watt, but the reality is, we didn't. Making myself miserable over coulda, woulda, shoulda is just pointless. And yes, Watt is the better player now. Doesn't mean he will be in two years. A lot of people were going nuts after Merriman's first two years, saying we should have taken him over Ware. Nobody saying that now.

And as I alluded to earlier, as good as Watt has been, he hasn't helped Houston win a thing.

 

[Zordon]

The number one defense of Romo is his oline always suck.

Recently, yes. But you can't tell me that Romo didn't have good to very good olines the beginning of his career. Romo has never had an elite defense. @percyhoward broke it down for us in a thread awhile back about how bad our pass defense has been and how our defense is always giving up leads at the end of games.

JJ Watt = more 3rd down stops=more possessions for Romo

JJ Watt = more turnovers=shorter field for Romo

JJ Watt= happier Romo

Do you disagree with this? Has what Tyron provided us outweighed the HOF production Watt has put up already?

 

[5Stars]

Tyron is the least of a problem for me. As he gets a little older he will get better.

 

[MartinRamone]

Smith will be fine, but seeing how Watt is doing then of course i would have prefered if we drafted Watt instead.

 

[5Stars]

Smith will be fine, but seeing how Watt is doing then of course i would have prefered if we drafted Watt instead.

Well, the Cowboys didn't so it's time to move on. It's a waste of time...

 

[burmafrd]

Recently, yes. But you can't tell me that Romo didn't have good to very good olines the beginning of his career. Romo has never had an elite defense. @percyhoward broke it down for us in a thread awhile back about how bad our pass defense has been and how our defense is always giving up leads at the end of games.

JJ Watt = more 3rd down stops=more possessions for Romo

JJ Watt = more turnovers=shorter field for Romo

JJ Watt= happier Romo

Do you disagree with this? Has what Tyron provided us outweighed the HOF production Watt has put up already?

How about Romo in the morgue? yeah that is Romo Friendly

 

[5Stars]

How about Romo in the morgue? yeah that is Romo Friendly

We read this the first time...

 

[Zordon]

How about Romo in the morgue? yeah that is Romo Friendly

So Tyron Smith has saved Romo's life? Wow didn't realize he had played that good so far.

 

[texbumthelife]

Has what Tyron provided us outweighed the HOF production Watt has put up already?

Wow, this thread was veering dangerously and that comment sent it right off the tracks...

As far as the original topic, DL almost always eat the OL alive in these drills. They have a 100% advantage. The DL isn't having to read the play and determine pass/run, where as the OL have to sit back and try to rely solely on instincts and reaction to stone the DL. Anyone getting worked up about this, this early in camp, hasn't been paying attention to TC for long.

 

[Hoofbite]

They run a lot of pass rush drills where the DLinemen have a distinct advantage. I saw Wilber making some moves in these drills that would be disastrous if there was a delayed hand-off or if the QB rolled out to Wilber's side. This drill made it appear that he beat Smith, but Wilber can't make that type of move in a real game. There is a threat of a run or QB roll-out in real games.

Seems like wasted effort to run a drill that you absolutely cannot use in a game. Not saying you're wrong about it or anything but if you can't apply what you are practicing, what's the use?

 

[5Stars]

Seems like wasted effort to run a drill that you absolutely cannot use in a game. Not saying you're wrong about it or anything but if you can't apply what you are practicing, what's the use?

I would think the use is that you never know what will happen in a game. Nothing is static during a game and anything can happen so it would be wise to see how someone handles something that they might see.