Should we be worried about Tyron?

[Hoofbite]

Watt looks like a great player but Dallas couldn't justify taking a DL when the OL was a disaster. Their QB had just come off of a broken collarbone no matter how great your defense is, if you can't protect your QB, your team is limited from the outset.

Tyron was very good at RT and maybe he can't translate to LT. So what? It happens. If he could go back and play RT and be as good as he was as a rookie with a little improvement just from experience and time in the league, Dallas will have a damn good RT.

LTs are hard to find. Nobody saw JJ Watt as the guy he is now and Dallas made the right choice by taking Tyron. In general, a LT will always be more important than a DL player. That said, if you happen to score a JJ Watt in his 2012 form, he's probably the most important player on your team who isn't your starting QB.

Win some and you lose some. I don't think Dallas has lost at all but Houston damn sure won the powerball and mega millions all in one with Watt.

 

[Picksix]

Recently, yes. But you can't tell me that Romo didn't have good to very good olines the beginning of his career. Romo has never had an elite defense. @percyhoward broke it down for us in a thread awhile back about how bad our pass defense has been and how our defense is always giving up leads at the end of games.

JJ Watt = more 3rd down stops=more possessions for Romo

JJ Watt = more turnovers=shorter field for Romo

JJ Watt= happier Romo

Do you disagree with this? Has what Tyron provided us outweighed the HOF production Watt has put up already?

That's a lot of assumptions. Since there's really no way to prove this, can't agree or disagree.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

Recently, yes. But you can't tell me that Romo didn't have good to very good olines the beginning of his career. Romo has never had an elite defense. @percyhoward broke it down for us in a thread awhile back about how bad our pass defense has been and how our defense is always giving up leads at the end of games.

JJ Watt = more 3rd down stops=more possessions for Romo

JJ Watt = more turnovers=shorter field for Romo

JJ Watt= happier Romo

Do you disagree with this? Has what Tyron provided us outweighed the HOF production Watt has put up already?

Wow. Your new nickname should be "Stretch Zordon."

 

[Zordon]

That's a lot of assumptions. Since there's really no way to prove this, can't agree or disagree.

Wow. Your new nickname should be "Stretch Zordon."

How is it far fetched to believe that JJ Watt would have had the same impact here as he did in Houston when he'd have better players around him here in Dallas (Ratliff, Ware, Spencer, Hatcher)?

 

[Picksix]

How is it far fetched to believe that JJ Watt would have had the same impact here as he did in Houston when he'd have better players around him here in Dallas (Ratliff, Ware, Spencer, Hatcher)?

Not very far fetched. But the truth is, it can never be anything more than an opinion or assumption. Even if you could prove that Watt would have the same effect for the Cowboys that he has for Houston, it's still irrelevant, because he's not here. Oh sure, you can use this to be bitter, but what good does that do? None. It's better to support who we are, and not who we are not.

 

[5Stars]

Not very far fetched. But the truth is, it can never be anything more than an opinion or assumption. Even if you could prove that Watt would have the same effect for the Cowboys that he has for Houston, it's still irrelevant, because he's not here. Oh sure, you can use this to be bitter, but what good does that do? None. Support who we are, and not who we are not.

This is such a good post.

 

[LOBO7]

Or we could have taken the positive rode and said, Man Wilber's is having a good camp this year.
Smith will be fine. Not a doubt.

 

[coult44]

JJ said Smith was having a "Great" camp. This right after being abused by Ware on two consecutive plays.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

JJ said Smith was having a "Great" camp. This right after being abused by Ware on two consecutive plays.

Convenient that you fail to mention that Smith had shut down Ware until that point.

 

[Frozen700]

I would never go into a guns blazing war with most of you. You panic so much.

 

[LarryCanadian]

From Broadus - his summary of Sunday night scrimmage:
There was a play where Tyron Smith was beatten for a sack by DeMarcus Ware to end a drive but from my spot in Jones Tower, I liked what I saw from Smith today. I thought he did a much better job of taking the fight to Ware who on several reps this week, had his number. This scrimmage was more of what I expected from Smith in regards of blocking in this zone scheme off the edge but handling a big time rusher like Ware. You have heard me say this a much but when Smith has trouble, it’s usually with quickness inside which is one of Ware’s strengths but today, Smith slammed the door on him with some nice power, with a hard step inside. Smith also was able to get some quality movement when they went to the team run period on Ware which allowed Murray to skate the edge. Overall for Smith, he was the type of player in this practice that I belived that we all envisioned him to be. The sack from Ware was a nice play by him, so you tip your cap but when Tyron Smith needed to get the job done today, he was able to close the deal.

I think that, in general, defensive guys have an advantage in walk-throughs without pads and when there isn't a lot of hitting/punching/bulldozing going on...Tyron has time to keep developing, and other than getting one's confidence rocked regularly, going up against Ware over and over makes you BETTER and BETTER, has to....Plus, I'm guessing he is beside a gimpy Livings AGAIN or some other 3rd string guard, since Leary is hurt too, etc. Not like Tyron has had a ton of help on his side the last couple seasons. I had read that last year he was left on an Island a lot, especially with Free's struggles - where do you think the TE chipping or double teaming was going on (and often not successfully - it wasn't on the Left Tackle side).


LarryCanadian

 

[dfense]

Here's Archer's comment. Wilber was beating everyone.

**With DeMarcus Ware getting a day of rest, Kyle Wilber was a starting defensive end. He had a couple of sacks and was difficult for any linemen to block. With Ben Bass (ankle) not practicing Cameron Sheffield started on the other side.

I didn't see a reference there to a specific lineman. He was beating everyone.

 

[dallasfan4lizife]

Smith is 22. Hopefully he'll be our starting tackle for the next decade. I mean he's just now growing into his body.

While I wanted Watt, let's be real. He had 1 stellar season. The book is far from written on their career.

I'm glad we don't have to worry about LT for the foreseeable future.

 

[Future]

How is it far fetched to believe that JJ Watt would have had the same impact here as he did in Houston when he'd have better players around him here in Dallas (Ratliff, Ware, Spencer, Hatcher)?

How many third down stops does Watt account for every week? 1 or 2? How many turnovers did he force last year? 6 or 7?

We are talking about maybe giving him one more possession a game on average and a handful of shorter fields. An LT can let a QB feel comfortable in the pocket 40-50 times a game.

You could make the argument that Watt is a better player than Tyron right now. Sure. But to think that, if they both hit their ceiling, he would be more able to help Romo is a major, big time, huge, enormous, gigantic stretch.

 

[texbumthelife]

He is going up against Demarcus Ware for gods sake. If Tyron shut down Demarcus all day, someone would be here whining and freaking out about Ware being shut down by Tyron. Then someone else would come in and say that's how good Tyron is. Relax, its training camp. The first week for that matter.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Watt looks like a great player but Dallas couldn't justify taking a DL when the OL was a disaster. Their QB had just come off of a broken collarbone no matter how great your defense is, if you can't protect your QB, your team is limited from the outset.

Tyron was very good at RT and maybe he can't translate to LT. So what? It happens. If he could go back and play RT and be as good as he was as a rookie with a little improvement just from experience and time in the league, Dallas will have a damn good RT.

LTs are hard to find. Nobody saw JJ Watt as the guy he is now and Dallas made the right choice by taking Tyron. In general, a LT will always be more important than a DL player. That said, if you happen to score a JJ Watt in his 2012 form, he's probably the most important player on your team who isn't your starting QB.

Win some and you lose some. I don't think Dallas has lost at all but Houston damn sure won the powerball and mega millions all in one with Watt.

I think a few did. JJ Watt was very highly regarded by those who liked him as I recall.

 

[texbumthelife]

From Laughenberg, "Overall for Smith, he was the type of player in this practice that I belived that we all envisioned him to be. The sack from Ware was a nice play by him, so you tip your cap but when Tyron Smith needed to get the job done today, he was able to close the deal." - dallascowboys.com

I am not worried at all. Watt has been a man-child thus far, but I don't think his style of play lends to a very long career, especially not at that level. He already has knee and elbow issues. While I believe Tyron has the body and ability to be a 12-14yr starter. Advantage, Tyron.

 

[Funxva]

Did anyone see the "strip/sack" by Ware on Romo? He got there so fast that Romo had no idea he was there. I relish the upcoming season if he can make a talented kid like Tyron have fits.

 

[btcutter]

As great as Watt is, a LT is far more valuable IMO.

Only if the LT is the top 2-3 LT in the league would I consider taking that over Watts....even then....

Watts is a true game changer.

Tyron will be a decent LT but probably never the Pro Bowl LT that we want him to be. But we do know that he can be an outstanding RT, probably Pro Bowl RT. So depending on drafting position and luck we can move Tyron back to the right side .

 

[btcutter]

From Laughenberg, "Overall for Smith, he was the type of player in this practice that I belived that we all envisioned him to be. The sack from Ware was a nice play by him, so you tip your cap but when Tyron Smith needed to get the job done today, he was able to close the deal." - dallascowboys.com

I am not worried at all. Watt has been a man-child thus far, but I don't think his style of play lends to a very long career, especially not at that level. He already has knee and elbow issues. While I believe Tyron has the body and ability to be a 12-14yr starter. Advantage, Tyron.

I take a Hall of Famer for 8 yrs over a quality starter for 12 years any day.
Watts has been special.