Should we cut Larry Allen?

[MrPhil]

Allen's cap number for 2006 is $7,558,333. If we cut him before his roster bonus is due (April 1), he would count $4,116,668 against the cap, a savings of $3,441,665.

Adam, what happens if we wait until June 1st to cut him?

 

[Kilyin]

Fonoti is a fat injury prone slob. Let Minnesota have him.

 

[scotth66]

We have no choice but to cut him, unless he agrees to a pay cut.

NO WAY is Allen worth 7 mil so he will be cut, retire, or restructure.

 

[AdamJT13]

Adam, what happens if we wait until June 1st to cut him?

There's no point in waiting until June 2. It would save an extra $58,335 this season, but it would cost us $2,058,335 in 2007.

 

[MrPhil]

There's no point in waiting until June 2. It would save an extra $58,335 this season, but it would cost us $2,058,335 in 2007.

Thanks Adam, you are a fountain of knowledge!

 

[Derinyar]

Right now I don't think its time to cut LA. That time was 3 years ago when BP moved into town. Right now LA at 7.5 million is horrible, but realizing that 4.5 million of it is dead either way and knowing that we have to find, at minimum, 1 OG and 1 OT and some good backups we can't afford to cut Larry now.

 

[conner01]

adam, am i right i assuming that signing bouns money this year can only be spread over 2 yrs with the cba stuff?and it's the same if we restructured a guy that the bonus part is spread over 2 yrs?

 

[Alexander]

I think a lot of you people have severely overated Fonoti.

I believe so.

Particularly since he played a grand total of three games for Minnesota after he was acquired.

But nevermind. We should have got him or Ross Verba. We would be in the playoffs for sure.

 

[Eskimo]

Allen should be cut - he is old, immobile, overpaid, only a Pro Bowl player on paper and severely restricts the diversity of what we are able to do offensively.

We can make much better use of the available cap space by bringing in a competent RT and finding a replacement OG.

 

[Nors]

better yet trade him

 

[trueblue1687]

no. cut rivera who is way overpaid and hardly blocks anybody.

Insert Larry Allen's name for Rivera and the sentence is more true. I've been saying dump Allen for a while now. He was definately one of the best O-linemen I've ever watched...in his day. Now he is no better than Gurode. Allen gave up on WAY too many plays this season (one is too many), and don't forget about the training camp conditioning/agility drills that he (Allen) couldn't pass. I remember him running sprints (haha) while everyone else actually practiced. A player who is supposed to be at an elite level DOES NOT let themselves sink to that physical condition- no excuses. I hate to say this, but Gurode could easily replace Allen at this point in his career. Now think about how good that makes him. On a side note, I think Rivera will surprise some folks here if he gets it together. He definately didn't look like the same guy I watched with Green Bay.

 

[Hiero]

I think a lot of you people have severely overated Fonoti.

Not really. I am not looking to give him a huge long term deal, but he should be available for not too much. He is having some issues that I think Parcells can nip in the bud. If he gets back into real shape he could be back to pro bowl level and he is still young. He wont cost much, but if he turns into a pro bowl guy inthe future, i will be glad to pay him.

 

[MapleLeaf]

better yet trade him

...at his cap number. No one in the league will touch him. They will just wait for when he is cut.

The sensible thing to do is to wait on his offseason. See how he responds to this upcoming offseason, see what is available in free agency and see what you can get in the draft.

If there is a viable opening day starter then you can release him. If you find a promising young draft pick, then renegotiate and let him stay for another year and build up the line by shuttling the rookies to spell him for another season.

The Larry allen situation doesn't have to be cut and dried. Especially in this salary cap league when a single injury may cost a team an entire year if they are not prepared.

Larry can still be a partial starting plan or even a back up plan. Knowing what happened to Flozell I'm all for contingency plans.

 

[The Curly One]

Nobody wanted him 3 years ago and he has not got any better. (or cheaper!) You could try to trade him but there is nobody stupid enough to take that one. Cut his useless butt and get rid of him. Cut your losses and move on there is nothing to see here. He has been totally useless since 2000 on pass protection and spotty at best on run blocking. When he was injured a few years ago we did better yet they still started him when he returned.
It does not matter if his salry cap cost is 3 million or 8 million he is still useless and worthless. Curly

 

[AdamJT13]

adam, am i right i assuming that signing bouns money this year can only be spread over 2 yrs with the cba stuff?and it's the same if we restructured a guy that the bonus part is spread over 2 yrs?

No, for 2006, the cap charges for signing bonuses can be prorated over four years, if the CBA is not extended. (If it is extended before the league year begins, the maximum should go back to seven years.)

 

[Nors]

...at his cap number. No one in the league will touch him. They will just wait for when he is cut.

The sensible thing to do is to wait on his offseason. See how he responds to this upcoming offseason, see what is available in free agency and see what you can get in the draft.

If there is a viable opening day starter then you can release him. If you find a promising young draft pick, then renegotiate and let him stay for another year and build up the line by shuttling the rookies to spell him for another season.

The Larry allen situation doesn't have to be cut and dried. Especially in this salary cap league when a single injury may cost a team an entire year if they are not prepared.

Larry can still be a partial starting plan or even a back up plan. Knowing what happened to Flozell I'm all for contingency plans.

A team trading for LA Can also redo his deal. Allen could take a new SB and make out.

He's not seeing $ this year in Dallas.....

 

[Eskimo]

...at his cap number. No one in the league will touch him. They will just wait for when he is cut.

The sensible thing to do is to wait on his offseason. See how he responds to this upcoming offseason, see what is available in free agency and see what you can get in the draft.

If there is a viable opening day starter then you can release him. If you find a promising young draft pick, then renegotiate and let him stay for another year and build up the line by shuttling the rookies to spell him for another season.

The Larry allen situation doesn't have to be cut and dried. Especially in this salary cap league when a single injury may cost a team an entire year if they are not prepared.

Larry can still be a partial starting plan or even a back up plan. Knowing what happened to Flozell I'm all for contingency plans.

The only problem is Allen is due a $2M SB sometime in April before the draft so we can't wait to see how he looks in mini-camp or TC or whether we have found a capable replacement.

I don't think he is worth $7.5 M in cap space. If we cut him we should save about $3.5M in cap space this year that could be used towards finding a quality OL to bring in (RT, OG or Center) FA with the money saved and look for some further answers in the draft.

 

[MapleLeaf]

A team trading for LA Can also redo his deal. Allen could take a new SB and make out.

He's not seeing $ this year in Dallas.....

...any sensible GM giving out SB and a new deal to Allen anywhere close to the cap hit he is going to be charging Dallas.

He was fair this year in comparison to the others on our line, but he made some embarassing and glaring whiffs on blocks in space. He really is only a "stop gap" measure for any team including ours.

His best chance is still in Dallas if he takes a reduced salary and is prepared for a reduced role.

 

[The Curly One]

I do not think even if we cut him free and clear any other team would pick him up (even at league minimum) and I doubt he could be a starter on any other team.
Trades are simply out of the question, we could not get a 4th round draft pick out of him 3 years ago and he has not got any better since so what do you expect to get from him now?
Now I do know it takes several years of game experience for a rookie linemen to be good but it is time we dump the old and get the new in there.

They moved Flozell over there to help stop the bleeding from Larry Allens useless play. Flozell has had a bunch of false start penalties but at least he starts......

And just like Vinny and Henson last year I think Parcelles will ride that pony all the way to the bitter end. When you know the old horses can not do the job you have to put the young guys in there and see what they can do.
Larry Allen is not helping us win and has not in 5 years, how long are you going to ride that pony?
The thing that really bothers me about Larry Allen is that he seems to do OK sometimes on running plays but whiffs on every block for passing plays. I do not understand why that is?
Regardless I have said for 5 years that our Qb is not the problem it is the offensive line and in particular Larry Allen that is not cutting it. Actually LA had his best year in 5 years but he is still useless. I do not care how good he was that was long ago and far away. Curly

 

[Cowboy4ever]

I like LA. But he is not the same player he was a few years ago. Something can be said for his play dropoff this year because of the problems at LT after Adams went down. But I remember him sittin on the sidelines alot one year, because he was hurt, even though I dont think BP thought he was. It seems to me, LA is basically going thru the motions out there and has really lost his fire. There were flashes of it this year at times, but for the most part, he played like he couldn't care less whether he blocked the guy or not. If LA is just playing for a paycheck, then we need to get rid of him, regardless of who is replacement is. This year BP will attack the OL in both FA and the draft, so some of these old guys, ie, Adams and Allen, may be on the chopping block. I don't think Adams is in danger this year, but I dont' think He will be wearing a star after this next season. As far as the other side, Marc R, his job is safe, no way Bill P brings him, pays him that kind of money and throws him away, admiting a mistake this soon. Rob P, he was a rookie, that showed promise at times. He clearly was not ready to take on the elite DE in the league but not many are. So here is my prediction for this year,, Adams Stays, Allen is gone, Al J is gone, Marc R stays, and Rob P stays, but a RT will be brought in with FA to compete for that job. We will Draft a LT and a LG and might bring one in for a one year deal to start this season, and groom the draft pick. Thats how i see the OL being done this off season.