Should we let Newman walk?

[BouncingCheese]

People forget how backloaded these contracts are for players like Clements...

Clements is gone in four years from San Fran, maybe five if he plays his mind out... I think 33 million of his contract is in the last 2 or three years of the contract... Find me a team willing to pay that to a player who isn't a qb or RB...
Peplaw and others who bring up this point are right; Newman's body has taken less punishment than Clements even though TNew is older.

More Cornerbacks and WR's have been picked in the first 3 rounds than any other position in the draft; That just shows the value and need for a shutdown corner is... We have a GREAT one in Newman. There is no way you let a player like Newman go.

 

[jwitten82]

no, because newmans a top cornerin this league

 

[Jarv]

You can tell the UNINFORMED (polite term) fans when they think that INTs are what its all about. Almost as bad as those that think that if someone gets a lot of sacks but does nothing else he is as good as someone who does not get as many sacks, but does everything else well.

You mean like Ellis not getting 10 sacks in a year yet, but is very solid against the run ?

Have to give credit to JT for that from another thread...

 

[burmafrd]

Ellis is very solid. Not a pro bowl player, not worth a top 10 pick, but very solid.

 

[tomson75]

You mean like Ellis not getting 10 sacks in a year yet, but is very solid against the run ?

Have to give credit to JT for that from another thread...

Good point. However, solid OLB's are a wee bit easier to come across than shut down CB's. Ellis has had ample time to get his 10 sack year, and has yet to do so. I commend him for his play, as he has been forced to face double teams due to his lack of pass rushing help, but he hasn't been dominant. Newman has, more often than not.

I'd have to argue that Newman's impact on our defense is not only far greater than Ellis', but that he's far more difficult to replace...and we may have already done so. Sucks for Ellis.

 

[DC Cowboy]

I really like this player and his abilities, however he turns 30 on 09/04/08. (NFL.com)

How many great corners play deep into their 30's?

He was talking on DC.com about making a huge salary like Clements 8 years 80 million.

If the front seven plays well and applies pressure; do you need to sign him to a huge long term deal?

What about using the franchise tag on him and buy yourself sometime to replace him?

Romo, Julius and Flo are going to be up for new contracts and JJ told Colombo he would get paid if he played well.

Who stays and who goes?

YES we keep him but only sign him to a 5 - 6 year deal.

 

[burmafrd]

Write that check, Jerrah.

 

[Vintage]

Jerry ponied up to keep Gurode, Colombo, Glenn.

He ponied up to get Davis.

We finally got a QB and he'll pony up for Romo.

And we've been shuffling CBs since the late 90's. We finally got someone good at CB in Newman and Jerry will pony up for him.

Hopefully we'll also get a CB to groom for Henry's replacement in the next couple of years.

 

[Jarv]

Good point. However, solid OLB's are a wee bit easier to come across than shut down CB's. Ellis has had ample time to get his 10 sack year, and has yet to do so. I commend him for his play, as he has been forced to face double teams due to his lack of pass rushing help, but he hasn't been dominant. Newman has, more often than not.

I'd have to argue that Newman's impact on our defense is not only far greater than Ellis', but that he's far more difficult to replace...and we may have already done so. Sucks for Ellis.

I agree with you 100% fellow rider.

Just throwing out the fact that I think Tnew is a pro-bowl caliber CB, although he doesn't have the INT stats.

I also think Greg has been a solid DE for years, except for double digit sacks, I do think the scheme (read and react, plus 2 gap last year) didn't help him in accomplishing those stats.

 

[AbeBeta]

YES we keep him but only sign him to a 5 - 6 year deal.

Length of the deal makes no difference since every huge deal has junk years at the end

 

[dallasfan]

Green and Williams both had seasons during their prime when they had only one interception, and the both went to the Pro Bowl with only one interception. Deion, Champ and Law all had seasons in their prime when they had only two interceptions. Deion, in fact, had only two each season for his first three years in Dallas.

Newman had four interception as a rookie, four in his second season and three in his third season. Considering that guys like Deion Sanders, Darrell Green, Champ Bailey, Aeneas Williams, etc., all had seasons with two or fewer interceptions during their prime, why would it be surprising that Newman had one, too?

I'll admit I didn't look it up first, but I still don't believe Newman is elite (or hasn't proven it yet). Deion's first year in Dallas, he played less than half the games, I believe, and he saw far fewer passes than Newman. Aeneas Williams had such great int years, that he was already a proven playmaker, and after looking at Green int #s, he got way fewer than I thought.

Once again, Newman is probably one of my favorite players, and I'm not over valuing ints, cause I don't think much of guys like Walt Harris, Charles Woodson (now atleast), and Deangelo Hall, but Newman isn't elite.

 

[burmafrd]

Defend Newman NOT being elite. You can't, can you?
No other CB has taken the best WRs and shut them down like he did with Moss and Smith. No other CB has had that assignment in the last few years like Newman has done. Some here say Newman is NOT elite. And all they have is that he does not int many passes. PATHETIC.

 

[dallasfan]

Defend Newman NOT being elite. You can't, can you?
No other CB has taken the best WRs and shut them down like he did with Moss and Smith. No other CB has had that assignment in the last few years like Newman has done. Some here say Newman is NOT elite. And all they have is that he does not int many passes. PATHETIC.

so ints don't matter at all? It's not like Newman isn't giving up completions. Off the top of my head, Plaxico got him good in the first giants game. Newman definately should've gone to the pro-bowl, but imo the only elite CB is Champ Bailey. After him Pacman Jones, the Raiders CB, and the Jags CB probably show the most potential.

 

[burmafrd]

What a joke. I asked you to show ANY OTHER CB who went one on one with a top WR for an extended period of time. And you have NOTHING. Champ has NOT gone one on one - neither has Mathis, or any other so called top CB.
Newman has done lately what Deion used to do- take the best WR of the other team OUT OF THE GAME.

 

[dallasfan]

What a joke. I asked you to show ANY OTHER CB who went one on one with a top WR for an extended period of time.

no you didn't. You made a point. Then I made a point. Once againhe's having great games against those guys, and I'd rather he focus on them not getting catches, instead of gambling and getting burnt, but imo you have to be somewhat of a playmaker to be an elite cb

And you have NOTHING. Champ has NOT gone one on one - neither has Mathis, or any other so called top CB.
Newman has done lately what Deion used to do- take the best WR of the other team OUT OF THE GAME.

Dude stop getting your panties in a bunch b/c someone disagreed with you. Players can only play in the scheme their in. Is Ronde Barber not a hall of famer b/c he played in a cover-2? Newman for the most part doesn't even take the best WR, he takes whoever lines up on the right side, I believe Steve Smith, was the only exception, so let's not compare him to Deion.

 

[dallasfan]

Length of the deal makes no difference since every huge deal has junk years at the end

Longer the deal, the bigger the cap hit when/if you cut someone. So while it's not a huge difference, it makes a difference.

 

[dallasfan]

What a joke. I asked you to show ANY OTHER CB who went one on one with a top WR for an extended period of time.

So who was covering Detroit's 2 WRs who went for 100 yards each?

Newman is what he is. So far he's been an excellent cover corner who occasionally gives up yards (most of which is a result of a bad pass rush), and doesn't get big int #s. Where we disagree is the defination of an elite CB.

 

[28 Joker]

so ints don't matter at all? It's not like Newman isn't giving up completions. Off the top of my head, Plaxico got him good in the first giants game. Newman definately should've gone to the pro-bowl, but imo the only elite CB is Champ Bailey. After him Pacman Jones, the Raiders CB, and the Jags CB probably show the most potential.

Adam Jones isn't even in Newman's league. I've watched the guy get torched for 2 straight years. Also, during his first two years, he made no effort to tackle people.

 

[dallasfan]

Adam Jones isn't even in Newman's league. I've watched the guy get torched for 2 straight years. Also, during his first two years, he made no effort to tackle people.

He got torched a lot his rookie year, and rebounded and had a far better sophomore campaign than Newman did. I wasn't impling he was better now, but I could see him and the Raiders guy develop into elite CBs.

 

[STSINAZ]

i think they are going to let him walk if another cb steps up