Should we let Newman walk?

[Doomsday101]

So......is that a 'yes', Newman wasn't following Moss around that game?

In the last 2 drives of the game no Newman was not following Moss. Dallas was set in a prevent defense which is suppose to prevent the deep ball from beating you. As we all saw that did not happen.

 

[superpunk]

Ellis needs more help around him to free him up for a pass rush, don't you remember?

We've been together, for so long.......

Holy hell.

If we had only known. We could have drafted Merriman.

inside we both know what's going on.

 

[Vintage]

Holy hell.

If we had only known. We could have drafted Merriman.

inside we both know what's going on.

Definetly. What a mistake we made in drafting Ware.

Last time I checked, 17 > 11.5

Therefore, scientifically proving Merriman's superiority as a player and as a human being.

You know the rules and so do I

 

[AdamJT13]

I'll admit I didn't look it up first, but I still don't believe Newman is elite (or hasn't proven it yet). Deion's first year in Dallas, he played less than half the games, I believe, and he saw far fewer passes than Newman. Aeneas Williams had such great int years, that he was already a proven playmaker, and after looking at Green int #s, he got way fewer than I thought.

Once again, Newman is probably one of my favorite players, and I'm not over valuing ints, cause I don't think much of guys like Walt Harris, Charles Woodson (now atleast), and Deangelo Hall, but Newman isn't elite.

If Newman had gotten three interceptions last season, would you consider him elite?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

On the Detroit game: Surely people can see that going to an aggressive 43 for one game when the base defense you've played the last two years is a very basic two-gap 34 is much different than having a full-time aggressive scheme that you've played in and practiced to perfect day in and day out, week in and week out.

Besides, using a one-game sample size to draw sweeping conclusions doesn't work anyway.

And it's funny that Parcells' philosophical reluctance to let his best corner shadow the other teams' best WR is used against him. That looks like Extremeskins reasoning.

 

[superpunk]

Definetly. What a mistake we made in drafting Ware.

Last time I checked, 17 > 11.5

Therefore, scientifically proving Merriman's superiority as a player and as a human being.

You know the rules and so do I

ah....

you win.

on second thought - i just want to tell you how im feeling...gotta make you understand that this pressure idea isn't some cure all.

 

[28 Joker]

]He gave up a TD to Reggie Wayne in the Indianapolis game.[/B]

And the Falcons TD, I don't care if he used the wrong hand or whatever. He was responsible for the coverage there too.

IIRC, he was credited for giving up 3 TD's last year. Wasn't the last one to Mike Williams?

Yes. If it was his fault, it was because he didn't switch off on the crossing receivers.

Getting your "bell rung" on a punt return might affect your mind a little.

At least he came back and played with a concussion. He sure looked dazed after that hit.

 

[Vintage]

Yes. If it was his fault, it was because he didn't switch off on the crossing receivers.

Getting your "bell rung" on a punt return might affect your mind a little.

At least he came back and played with a concussion. He sure looked dazed after that hit.

So...is that a 'yes' he did give up that touchdown, then?

 

[Vintage]

ah....

you win.

on second thought - i just want to tell you how im feeling...gotta make you understand that this pressure idea isn't some cure all.

You wouldn't get this from any other guy.

 

[28 Joker]

Well, if Barber doesn't shadow Smith everywhere, then not all of those catches/yards/touchdowns are Barber's fault.

And its not like Newman shadows the elite WR's everywhere. Remember Moss back in '05. Newman was off guarding someone else. Who was their elite WR? Who ended up scoring?

Plaxico Burress is the elite WR on the Giants team. But Henry spent a great deal of time on him.

That was Bill Parcells' fault; he corrected his mistake the next year.

 

[AbeBeta]

On the Detroit game: Surely people can see that going to an aggressive 43 for one game when the base defense you've played the last two years is a very basic two-gap 34 is much different than having a full-time aggressive scheme that you've played in and practiced to perfect day in and day out, week in and week out.

Besides, using a one-game sample size to draw sweeping conclusions doesn't work anyway.

Sure. But it also speaks to the fact that what the players want to do and what they LIKE to do may not be the best option. That should give folks some serious pause when they think about what players are saying about each scheme and whether players preferences have any meaning at all.

 

[Vintage]

On the Detroit game: Surely people can see that going to an aggressive 43 for one game when the base defense you've played the last two years is a very basic two-gap 34 is much different than having a full-time aggressive scheme that you've played in and practiced to perfect day in and day out, week in and week out.

Besides, using a one-game sample size to draw sweeping conclusions doesn't work anyway.

And it's funny that Parcells' philosophical reluctance to let his best corner shadow the other teams' best WR is used against him. That looks like Extremeskins reasoning.

No. You missed the point. I was using that game as an EXAMPLE of when Newman wasn't shadowing Moss.

I wasn't criticising Parcells.

Would I have perferred to see Newman on Moss at the end? Yeah. I said so to a friend of mine when it happened.

 

[Vintage]

That was Bill Parcells' fault; he corrected his mistake the next year.

So again.....that's a yes, that Newman wasn't shadowing Moss all game?

 

[28 Joker]

I think Barber is past his prime and no longer an elite, but why are all of Steve's Smith's totals getting attributed to Barber? I agree the numbers don't lie and Tampa Bay can't cover Steve Smith, but they suck, so what exactly is the point? If it's barber goes to the pro-bowl every year, so does Larry Allen and he's not an elite guard anymore.

Barber still has great speed. He had enough speed to jump Reggie Brown in his zone and run at least 60 yards untouched for one of his two touchdowns against the Eagles.

The Bucs were a playoff team in 2005. Barber was elected to the Pro Bowl for his play. It hasn't declined; he still looks real good to me. Ask the Eagles. He put Tampa Bay in position to win that game last year by taking two picks back for touchdowns.

I say Newman can affect the outcome of games by being a "silent assassin", because he can affect the outcome by never touching one ball.

 

[28 Joker]

I think Barber is past his prime and no longer an elite, but why are all of Steve's Smith's totals getting attributed to Barber? I agree the numbers don't lie and Tampa Bay can't cover Steve Smith, but they suck, so what exactly is the point? If it's barber goes to the pro-bowl every year, so does Larry Allen and he's not an elite guard anymore.

Barber isn't asked to check Steve Smith; it affects the outcome of the games. Smith torches them, and the Bucs lose. Newman shut Smith down; the result was 3 Dallas wins.

Newman's elite play, which includes playing man to man defense in the slot against some of the best receivers in the league, impacts the results of games just as much as Champ Bailey or any other corner in the league.

 

[Doomsday101]

Myself I love watching Rhode Barber but he does play in the Tampa 2 defense and is not playing much man on man coverage.

 

[28 Joker]

So...is that a 'yes' he did give up that touchdown, then?

I said he gave up 0 in 2005, and one through the Atlanta game in 2006. I don't know if the Wayne play was on Henry or Newman. If it was on Newman, it was a bust, and I'm not sure who gets credit for giving it up when the receiver is running wide open 20 yards down the field. It was a mental error and not a physical one. I don't know if the NFL would count that in Newman's stats, because they would have to prove it was his man that was allowed to run uncontested down the left sideline.

That Mike Williams TD came on a busted coverage or mental mistake by a player. I didn't see the game. I don't have the coaches film, so I don't know who busted the coverage, or if it was zone or man. Baseball doesn't give errors to players on mental mistakes. I don't know how football does it.

 

[28 Joker]

So again.....that's a yes, that Newman wasn't shadowing Moss all game?

In 2005, the Giants were playing in Dallas. Terence Newman had completely shut down Jeremy Shockey an elite tightend that Champ Bailey will never have to deal with in the middle of the field in man to man situations. Newman didn't have a pick, but Shockey, New York's best weapon, was taken completely out of the game.

At the very end of the game, for some strange reason, Newman was taken off of Shockey, and Shockey, who had been nonexistent, went off and scored 2 TDs and caught a long pass. Just like the Washington game in week 2, Dallas went prevent, and allowed Shockey to get matched up against Roy Williams. As a result, the game went to overtime. None of Shockey's yards or TDs came while Newman was shadowing him all over the field with no sideline help.

Dallas was pitching a shut-out against the Giants just like the earlier Washington game in 2005, and Parcells allowed Zimmer to take Newman off of Shockey near the end of the game, just like he allowed Zimmer to take Newman off of Moss in week 2. The prevent zone nearly lost that game as well.

 

[Vintage]

In 2005, the Giants were playing in Dallas. Terence Newman had completely shut down Jeremy Shockey an elite tightend that Champ Bailey will never have to deal with in the middle of the field in man to man situations. Newman didn't have a pick, but Shockey, New York's best weapon, was taken completely out of the game.

At the very end of the game, for some strange reason, Newman was taken off of Shockey, and Shockey, who had been nonexistent, went off and scored 2 TDs and caught a long pass. Just like the Washington game in week 2, Dallas went prevent, and allowed Shockey to get matched up against Roy Williams. As a result, the game went to overtime. None of Shockey's yards or TDs came while Newman was shadowing him all over the field with no sideline help.

Dallas was pitching a shut-out against the Giants just like the earlier Washington game in 2005, and Parcells allowed Zimmer to take Newman off of Shockey near the end of the game, just like he allowed Zimmer to take Newman off of Moss in week 2. The prevent zone nearly lost that game as well.

All of which has NOTHING to do with my post.

Thanks for the non-reply.

 

[the kid 05]

I really like this player and his abilities, however he turns 30 on 09/04/08. (NFL.com)

How many great corners play deep into their 30's?

He was talking on DC.com about making a huge salary like Clements 8 years 80 million.

If the front seven plays well and applies pressure; do you need to sign him to a huge long term deal?

What about using the franchise tag on him and buy yourself sometime to replace him?

Romo, Julius and Flo are going to be up for new contracts and JJ told Colombo he would get paid if he played well.

Who stays and who goes?

should i slap you? just because hes turning 30 hes only played for what? 4 or 5 years now. so that means while his age is up, he could easily play into his 40s then his skills will start to decay