Shouldn't break the bank for Miller

[StarBoyz83]

Wow!



Is there anything else we need on defense that you can think of? Do we have 11 guys?

It's nightmare back there right now. Especially the DL and safeties. Cb is up in the air with mo and carr. And the only play maker on d is lee. The other lbs are meh.

 

[Stash]

It's nightmare back there right now. Especially the DL and safeties. Cb is up in the air with mo and carr. And the only play maker on d is lee. The other lbs are meh.

I don't think it's quite as bad as you're making it out to be.

 

[StarBoyz83]

I don't think it's quite as bad as you're making it out to be.

No we don't need playmakers every where but there's a lot of resigning or letting go that's gonna happen.

The dl is my biggest worry it needs to be addressed in fa along with a cb or 2 if they move jones to fs.

 

[Stash]

No we don't need playmakers every where but there's a lot of resigning or letting go that's gonna happen.

The dl is my biggest worry it needs to be addressed in fa along with a cb or 2 if they move jones to fs.

That's a big part of why I feel it's so important to re-sign Greg Hardy. If you do that, 3/4th of the starting defensive line is set and the only true 'hole' is at the 1-technique position and you can fill that at lesser cost or via the draft.

If you let Hardy leave? A lot more question marks and a huge hole needing to be filled.

 

[StarBoyz83]

That's a big part of why I feel it's so important to re-sign Greg Hardy. If you do that, 3/4th of the starting defensive line is set and the only true 'hole' is at the 1-technique position and you can fill that at lesser cost or via the draft.

If you let Hardy leave? A lot more question marks and a huge hole needing to be filled.

That and there no depth behind them. We're starting basically a rookie hardy Crawford who was supposedly hurt or just underperformed and dlaw who had like 5 good games in 2 years. Hayden is a must to replace!

Do we cut carr? do we resign mo? 2 more hokes in the secondary. Church didn't play well and wilcox is a st player at best. Also do they resign heath? He's better than wilcox but thats not saying much!

Do they resign mcclain? ill lee stay healthy? No depth at Lb. Lol

 

[Stash]

That and there no depth behind them. We're starting basically a rookie hardy Crawford who was supposedly hurt or just underperformed and dlaw who had like 5 good games in 2 years. Hayden is a must to replace!

Hayden is a must to replace. But Hardy, Lawrence, and Gregory are a trio of young pass rushers that most of the league would be happy to have.

Do we cut carr?

If he'll play ball on a renegotiated deal, I'd keep him for another year or two. He hasn't lived up to his contract, but he's been solid and reliable.

do we resign mo? 2 more hokes in the secondary.

Not if I can get Carr back on a fair deal. Claiborne is simply hurt too often and unreliable.

Church didn't play well and wilcox is a st player at best. Also do they resign heath? He's better than wilcox but thats not saying much!

Byron Jones is replacing one of them and I'd sign Eric Weddle to replace the other. Neither are the answer.

Do they resign mcclain? ill lee stay healthy? No depth at Lb. Lol

I'm OK with McClain for another year, I prefer that to wasting the #4 pick on 'doesn't do' Jack.

As long as Lee is on the roster there will be a health risk, but they have several options behind him in Gatchkar, Hitchens, Nzeocha, and Wilson. If anything, I think this team has too many WLB types.

 

[Galian Beast]

Don't worry, they won't. The mere idea of it is preposterous. You may as well just state that you don't want the team to sign him and be done with it.

Yet here you are, enjoying my thread and posting in it multiple times... Get real.

 

[Galian Beast]

There is an argument for taking a one year deal, where a one year deal is an advantage for the player.

Lamar Miller hasn't established his worth yet.

I don't think he will get top 5 running back money, which would net him 8 million a year or more.

You could sign for 5 million a year for 5 years at 25 million or you could sign for 3.5 million for one year, run behind one of the best lines in football, and end up getting 8-10 million per year for the next 4 years... total? at least 35.5 million...upwards of 43.5 million... It's not even close...

 

[Stash]

Yet here you are, enjoying my thread and posting in it multiple times... Get real.

I'm replying to people who have quoted me. Don't take it as any sort of a justification for this mess.

 

[LittleD]

Hayden is a must to replace. But Hardy, Lawrence, and Gregory are a trio of young pass rushers that most of the league would be happy to have.



If he'll play ball on a renegotiated deal, I'd keep him for another year or two. He hasn't lived up to his contract, but he's been solid and reliable.



Not if I can get Carr back on a fair deal. Claiborne is simply hurt too often and unreliable.



Byron Jones is replacing one of them and I'd sign Eric Weddle to replace the other. Neither are the answer.



I'm OK with McClain for another year, I prefer that to wasting the #4 pick on 'doesn't do' Jack.

As long as Lee is on the roster there will be a health risk, but they have several options behind him in Gatchkar, Hitchens, Nzeocha, and Wilson. If anything, I think this team has too many WLB types.

Stash, from what I've read and heard on DC.com, the ship has sailed on Hardy and he will not be re-signed under
any circumstances. Hayden is also going to likely be re-signed because as we know, Marinelli wants him back and
what Marinelli wants!!!

 

[Stash]

Stash, from what I've read and heard on DC.com, the ship has sailed on Hardy and he will not be re-signed under
any circumstances. Hayden is also going to likely be re-signed because as we know, Marinelli wants him back and
what Marinelli wants!!!

Then we're screwed.

 

[LittleD]

Then we're screwed.

Possibly, but Garrett & Marinelli were not happy with Hardy and I think they are going to look
for someone else in FA. Hayden may play less this year if re-signed but, I do think the team
wants him back in some capacity. If we're screwed, then it will be 21 years in a row. That
might be a new Cowboy record.

 

[Stash]

Possibly, but Garrett & Marinelli were not happy with Hardy and I think they are going to look for someone else in FA.

Im not sure where you're getting that I for from, but these quotes from both say the opposite:

http://sportsday.***BANNED-URL***/d...reg-hardy-remain-cowboy-future-really-special

Hayden may play less this year if re-signed but, I do think the team wants him back in some capacity. If we're screwed, then it will be 21 years in a row. That might be a new Cowboy record.

If that's the case, they're quite simply wrong. Hayden is a try hard guy who shouldn't even be in the league. He is the very last player on this entire roster that another team accounts for. In fact, they're happy to see him out there. He provides none of what a true 1-technique defensive tackle should.

 

[MRV52]

Pass we don't need him.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

First I don't think a long term deal is in either of our interests.

That should apply to a lot of players, current and future, mate!
This sketchy system of selling the estate for marquee players is no longer sustainable, to use the American cliche.
Let's see now, we'll be paying Romo for another 30 years, it seems, for having great stats and an aversion to winning playoff games.
Quite.
But to get back to your premise, yes a long-term deal in this instance is puffery, now and in the future, blokes!

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Miller isn't signing a one year "prove it " deal.
He will get quite a bit more than the dollar amount you are calling for.

Sadly, you are correct.

 

[DandyDon52]

I absolutely would like to sign Lamar Miller in Free Agency, but I don't think we should shell out big money or a long term deal.

First I don't think a long term deal is in either of our interests. A one year deal worth about 3 or 3.5 million is probably appropriate.

A lot of things should give you pause. Miller was one of the highest rated running backs with yards before contact in 2014. I haven't seen the 2015 numbers, but that always give me pause. I thought Miami had a pretty subpar offensive line, but it does make me wonder how much of his success was his own.

As much as I don't want to rely on McFadden, I'm not absolutely sure that Miller is a huge upgrade from him, though I think he fits our system a lot better and would be a lot more consistent for us. The big question becomes cost.

The question then becomes does Miller believe in himself enough to come here on a one year deal and prove what he is capable of in a full time role? But even that is a bit uneven as the Cowboys may not be interested in offering him a full time role.

I would love to go into the season with Miller, McFadden, Dunbar. I think that shows real strength at the position, but we absolutely can't break the bank on these guys. I think we ultimately saw that Demarco Murray was overrated when he went to Philadelphia. The Eagles had a great offensive line two years ago, but they took a huge step back, and Murray wasn't a great fit. We saw the results.

I think Miller is slightly better than DeMarco Murray and might even fit our system slightly better than Murray even did. That gives me pretty high hopes as to what we could achieve with him, but the name of the game is the price is right.

I guess we'll see.

"but the name of the game is the price is right. "

It is silly to undervalue the RB position, since it is a key to our offense working good.
They should have kept murray, and to continue being cheap is not good.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

It's nightmare back there right now. Especially the DL and safeties. Cb is up in the air with mo and carr. And the only play maker on d is lee. The other lbs are meh.

Nightmare is too harsh a word. I choose to use the word inadequate.

They can use a DT who can get the QB; whether that is Crawford (T.) remains to be seen. They also need a dominant pass rusher on the right side. They could also use an upgrade at the Sam LB spot. I already forgot who's there. Finally, the secondary needs safety help in a big way and they need a CB who can actually make plays on the ball.

What it comes down to is they lack playmakers on defense and upgrades are called for at every position group.

 

[jterrell]

Miller is legit option if he wants to be here badly enough to give us a discount and structure it as a make good deal.

We won't be giving out any massive RB deals. We saw that go south with Marion Barber.
And we saw Murray last year as an Eagle while making 8m per.

But 5 yr 25 we might stretch too if it is incentivized.

Miller probably still wouldn't start in 2016 but he'd get a lot of carries/touches and likely start in 2017.

You'd surely pass on Dunbar so would have DMC/Miller/Turbin.

But if Miller is looking for the biggest payday it won't be here.

Anyone talking about Elliot but thinking Miller will be too expensive needs to wake up. #4 will cost 5m a year for 4 years then 10-12m for that 5th year.
See why we didn't extend Mo.

Drafting a RB at 4 is dumb as can be. People really should be ashamed to suggest it. Whomever you draft at 4 will get a 50m+ second contract or they'll be gone.

 

[Daillest88]

Hayden is a must to replace. But Hardy, Lawrence, and Gregory are a trio of young pass rushers that most of the league would be happy to have.



If he'll play ball on a renegotiated deal, I'd keep him for another year or two. He hasn't lived up to his contract, but he's been solid and reliable.



Not if I can get Carr back on a fair deal. Claiborne is simply hurt too often and unreliable.



Byron Jones is replacing one of them and I'd sign Eric Weddle to replace the other. Neither are the answer.



I'm OK with McClain for another year, I prefer that to wasting the #4 pick on 'doesn't do' Jack.

As long as Lee is on the roster there will be a health risk, but they have several options behind him in Gatchkar, Hitchens, Nzeocha, and Wilson. If anything, I think this team has too many WLB types.

I just looked at churchs cap number for this year .. 4 million dollars!! we cut him we save 4 million.