SI.com Truth & Rumor: Dallas shipping off J. Jones

[aikemirv]

Why didn't you give him a chance to answer?

Given the reality of Julius' exipring contract, a second rounder would be mighty hard to turn down, considering the flexibility it gives you in the draft.

But Julius is not worth a second rounder, so it's kinda moot anyhow.

I did not give him a chance to answer because I knew the answer.

If you are talking about flexibility in the draft it better be to move up and get Petersen or Lynch then because anything less is a crap shoot.

You just don't throw away half of your backfield for draft positioning. You better get a replacement and not do anything to sacrifce your upcoming year.

 

[jimmy40]

Coaches are there to help with issues and keep players from making mistakes.

It constantly amazes me that emphasizing to a RB that negative yardage and fumbles are bad (even though I don't ever remember Parcells ever mentioning any fumbling) is depicted as some great evil. Seriously? You're a professional RB and you can't handle a coach telling you to trust your blockers, know when a play is over, and understand that a 2 yard gain can be a victory? Stresing this alot is evil?

Next thing you know Tony will be suffering from Parcells' (or Garrett's) overzealous commitment to not throwing INTs.

Coming out of college the book on JJ:


Not really a self-motivated player and does not take well to hard coaching … Is just a little too lazy digesting the playbook … Has adequate power, but not enough to take on defenders one-on-one … Not mentally tough, letting minor injuries linger … Just used on screens, as he is a marginal route runner who looks late for the ball … Needs to protect the ball better and show better anticipation for contact … Will sometimes run up the back of the offensive lineman, but has enough pick-and-slide agility to gain yards inside … Prone to go down from the initial tackle, especially when defenders attack his feet … Has good foot quickness and change-of-direction agility, but is not sudden off cuts, gathering himself before accelerating.


What exactly did Parcells do to ruin Jones? Looks like he is what he's always been.

 

[superpunk]

I did not give him a chance to answer because I knew the answer.

Then why ask the question?

If you are talking about flexibility in the draft it better be to move up and get Petersen or Lynch then because anything less is a crap shoot.

You just don't throw away half of your backfield for draft positioning. You better get a replacement and not do anything to sacrifce your upcoming year.

I think that's the whole point. There are precious few people advocating dealing Julius with no backup plan. It would definitely have to be part of a plan to get a premier RB.

 

[aikemirv]

Coming out of college the book on JJ:


Not really a self-motivated player and does not take well to hard coaching … Is just a little too lazy digesting the playbook … Has adequate power, but not enough to take on defenders one-on-one … Not mentally tough, letting minor injuries linger … Just used on screens, as he is a marginal route runner who looks late for the ball … Needs to protect the ball better and show better anticipation for contact … Will sometimes run up the back of the offensive lineman, but has enough pick-and-slide agility to gain yards inside … Prone to go down from the initial tackle, especially when defenders attack his feet … Has good foot quickness and change-of-direction agility, but is not sudden off cuts, gathering himself before accelerating.


What exactly did Parcells do to ruin Jones? Looks like he is what he's always been.

You got a link for that?

 

[Apollo Creed]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=qFUc-ga77O8

That # 24 guy looks like a much hungrier player. I seriously think Barber is solid enough to carry the ball 20 + times a game, and Tyson Thompson can be the change of pace back.

 

[jimmy40]

You got a link for that?

Type in Julius Jones and hit enter. If my lazy arse can do it, you can too.

 

[aikemirv]

Then why ask the question?

I think that's the whole point. There are precious few people advocating dealing Julius with no backup plan. It would definitely have to be part of a plan to get a premier RB.

Have you ever heard of a rhetorical question?

I will try not to answer that for you::laugh2:

The quote was "he is gone". That is a matter of fact statement. That is why I asked him the question.

 

[aikemirv]

Type in Julius Jones and hit enter. If my lazy arse can do it, you can too.

You put it in the thread why don't you let your lazy butt do it if you did not edit it yourself?

 

[FLcowboy]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/scorecard/04/18/nfl.truth.rumors/index.html

Anything Dallas does regarding Julius Jones has nothing to do with salary-cap space. They have plenty of cap room to do whatever they want. They don't think he's an elite runner. They're likely going to ship him off on draft day.
-- Dallas Morning News

Is this becoming an annual event?

#1 Why would Dallas advertise this course of action at this point in time, and why would they denigrate JJones' skill level?

#2 Why would the Dallas Cowboys trash a player in the media prior to the draft?

#3 Why would this information be given to a reporter at this point in time? What would be the advantage?

 

[dalboy]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/scorecard/04/18/nfl.truth.rumors/index.html

Anything Dallas does regarding Julius Jones has nothing to do with salary-cap space. They have plenty of cap room to do whatever they want. They don't think he's an elite runner. They're likely going to ship him off on draft day.
-- Dallas Morning News

Is this becoming an annual event?

Even if do that trade for what?

 

[Verdict]

I ses some are still dreaming about getting Peterson. Will not happen- he is not going to fall out of the top 10 and getting there would cost too much.
Lynch is more of a possibility, but I do not see him dropping much beyond 15, and we would have to give up a fair amount to trade up that high. Possible but not likely.

I would agree that a majority of the posters here would take the position that the cost to move up and get Peterson would be too great for what you get in return. The same could be said for the Herschell Walker trade, but it did happen. Many though that we overpaid for Dorsett, but that worked out well for us.

Many are saying it CAN'T HAPPEN. That is false. It CAN happen. The more relevant question is WILL IT. I think it is more likely to happen than many might realize for several reasons, which are, in no particular order:

1. A really bad team is not going to "get well" on a single pick in most cases. They "want" to trade down, to some degree, because they need numbers of players to be competitive. We have been doing that the past several years, and it has worked for us.

2. Peterson might slide a little bit farther than most expected. He could fall out of the top three. It is looking like C.J., Quinn and Russell might be the top three picks, in no particular order. For every spot Peterson slides down, the cost of moving up drops significantly.

3. The Cowboys roster is stacked enough that a low first round pick, in a weak draft is not likely to improve the team as dramatically as a stud player would. I know C.J. might be the best player in this draft on some boards, but how much of an improvement would he be over T.O. and Glenn? No QB in this draft would probably start over Romo. On the other hand, at this point in time, RUNNING BACK IS THE WEAKEST SKILL POSITION OFFENSIVELY for the Cowboys. Peterson should make us a much better team than it currently is.

4. Great running backs usually make an IMMEDIATE impact, in fact maybe more so than at any other position.

5. Due to Peterson's injury concerns, a marginal team is not likely to take him and wonder if he can hold up while the rest of the team's talent level rises.

6. Coach Phillips has seen first hand what having a stud running back can do for you as a coach for the Chargers. He would probably prefer a guy who can break the game open.

7. Jerry Jones has been living in Danny Boy's shadow (press wise) for free agent acquisitions and draft day trades. I think this is the year he steps back out of that shadow and shakes things up. Trading down is often the smart thing to do, but trading UP is where the publicity is. Keep in mind he is going to want to fill that new stadium, and Julius Jones types are not going to fill a stadium like a big name can.

 

[Verdict]

Coming out of college the book on JJ:


Not really a self-motivated player and does not take well to hard coaching … Is just a little too lazy digesting the playbook … Has adequate power, but not enough to take on defenders one-on-one … Not mentally tough, letting minor injuries linger … Just used on screens, as he is a marginal route runner who looks late for the ball … Needs to protect the ball better and show better anticipation for contact … Will sometimes run up the back of the offensive lineman, but has enough pick-and-slide agility to gain yards inside … Prone to go down from the initial tackle, especially when defenders attack his feet … Has good foot quickness and change-of-direction agility, but is not sudden off cuts, gathering himself before accelerating.


What exactly did Parcells do to ruin Jones? Looks like he is what he's always been.

If a scout wrote this on Jones while he was in college maybe we should look into hiring him to scout talent for the Cowboys! LOL :laugh2:

 

[BouncingCheese]

Why didn't you give him a chance to answer?

Given the reality of Julius' exipring contract, a second rounder would be mighty hard to turn down, considering the flexibility it gives you in the draft.

But Julius is not worth a second rounder, so it's kinda moot anyhow.

Julius is not worth a second round pick. Mcgahee didn't even warrant a 2nd round, and if anybody thinks that Julius is as servicable a back as Mcgahee you need to get off of that bus. Willis warranted a 3rd and a 7th which I am sure isn't worth the same as a 2nd ( on the point scale nfl gms use, it isn't)

Second, Lynch IS NOT WORTH GOING UP TO DRAFT, LET ALONE DRAFTING HIM!! Look at the past Cal skill players drafted in early rounds. Kyle Boller? Nuff' said. Aaron Rogers? we know he will be a bust. J.J. Arrington, the NCAA's leading rusher his last year in college? http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/player?statsId=7220 News: J.J. Arrington was "clearly" behind Marcel Shipp on the depth chart at the Cardinals' first minicamp. A second round pick in jeopardy to losing his roster spot to Michael shipp? That should tell you enough. People need to stop mentioning Lynch as even a semi-viable draft prospect. Cal players are busts because they are system dudes. People like Mel Kiper have selective memories, Kiper was all over this guy.

 

[BouncingCheese]

If a scout wrote this on Jones while he was in college maybe we should look into hiring him to scout talent for the Cowboys! LOL :laugh2:

Why did we even draft him????? Stephen Jackson was availible to us, even KEVIN JONES was availible!!! :bang2: :bang2:

 

[jrumann59]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/scorecard/04/18/nfl.truth.rumors/index.html

Anything Dallas does regarding Julius Jones has nothing to do with salary-cap space. They have plenty of cap room to do whatever they want. They don't think he's an elite runner. They're likely going to ship him off on draft day.
-- Dallas Morning News

Is this becoming an annual event?

After this year it won't happen again in Dallas again when it comes to Jones.

 

[superpunk]

Julius is not worth a second round pick. Mcgahee didn't even warrant a 2nd round, and if anybody thinks that Julius is as servicable a back as Mcgahee you need to get off of that bus. Willis warranted a 3rd and a 7th which I am sure isn't worth the same as a 2nd ( on the point scale nfl gms use, it isn't)

I agree, except McGahee and Julius are kinda the same back - both living off hype generated in their rookie season. If McGahee is better than Jones, it's marginal. Neither is any more than average.

 

[BouncingCheese]

After this year it won't happen again in Dallas again when it comes to Jones.

What do you mean by that friend?

I agree, except McGahee and Julius are kinda the same back - both living off hype generated in their rookie season. If McGahee is better than Jones, it's marginal. Neither is any more than average.

I remember Mcgahee bieng a punishing back. I think he still is. Willis is not susceptible to arm tackles, not compared to JJ. He is bigger, stronger, and as fast as JJ. I agree with you that I wouldn't spend much more on JJ than I would on Mcgahee, though. He is such a malcontent too.

 

[Concord]

I have no problem shopping Jones. I think he's OK but will never be anything special.

 

[Doomsday101]

I would agree that a majority of the posters here would take the position that the cost to move up and get Peterson would be too great for what you get in return. The same could be said for the Herschell Walker trade, but it did happen. Many though that we overpaid for Dorsett, but that worked out well for us.

Many are saying it CAN'T HAPPEN. That is false. It CAN happen. The more relevant question is WILL IT. I think it is more likely to happen than many might realize for several reasons, which are, in no particular order:

1. A really bad team is not going to "get well" on a single pick in most cases. They "want" to trade down, to some degree, because they need numbers of players to be competitive. We have been doing that the past several years, and it has worked for us.

2. Peterson might slide a little bit farther than most expected. He could fall out of the top three. It is looking like C.J., Quinn and Russell might be the top three picks, in no particular order. For every spot Peterson slides down, the cost of moving up drops significantly.

3. The Cowboys roster is stacked enough that a low first round pick, in a weak draft is not likely to improve the team as dramatically as a stud player would. I know C.J. might be the best player in this draft on some boards, but how much of an improvement would he be over T.O. and Glenn? No QB in this draft would probably start over Romo. On the other hand, at this point in time, RUNNING BACK IS THE WEAKEST SKILL POSITION OFFENSIVELY for the Cowboys. Peterson should make us a much better team than it currently is.

4. Great running backs usually make an IMMEDIATE impact, in fact maybe more so than at any other position.

5. Due to Peterson's injury concerns, a marginal team is not likely to take him and wonder if he can hold up while the rest of the team's talent level rises.

6. Coach Phillips has seen first hand what having a stud running back can do for you as a coach for the Chargers. He would probably prefer a guy who can break the game open.

7. Jerry Jones has been living in Danny Boy's shadow (press wise) for free agent acquisitions and draft day trades. I think this is the year he steps back out of that shadow and shakes things up. Trading down is often the smart thing to do, but trading UP is where the publicity is. Keep in mind he is going to want to fill that new stadium, and Julius Jones types are not going to fill a stadium like a big name can.

I doubt Dallas will attempt to get Peterson but I will say you make some very good points and I fully agree about the impact that is made by top RB. On offense other than the QB the RB handles the ball more than any other position on the team and there is no denying the affect of what top backs bring to a team. You take LT out of SD and they are back the bottom of the division

 

[BouncingCheese]

I doubt Dallas will attempt to get Peterson but I will say you make some very good points and I fully agree about the impact that is made by top RB. On offense other than the QB the RB handles the ball more than any other position on the team and there is no denying the affect of what top backs bring to a team. You take LT out of SD and they are back the bottom of the division

Fully disagree with that... A.J. Smith (although I hate him) is one of the best GMs in the league, maybe the best. Even if LT went down, they have a GREAT backup in Michael Turner (if you disagree with me, then go ask why Smith but a 1st round compensation pick on him!) Moreover, the most important part of a team is it's offensive line. Defense is important, but you can't control the clock with Defense, you are at the will of the opposing offense. A great offensive line like San Diego can control the clock, which THE most important part of winninng (look at the Eagles with Mcnabb, they scored so fast thier defense had no time to breathe. Taking LT away would maybe have them lose three/four more games than they lost last year... that is even middle of the pack in the AFC west

7. Jerry Jones has been living in Danny Boy's shadow (press wise) for free agent acquisitions and draft day trades. I think this is the year he steps back out of that shadow and shakes things up. Trading down is often the smart thing to do, but trading UP is where the publicity is. Keep in mind he is going to want to fill that new stadium, and Julius Jones types are not going to fill a stadium like a big name can.

True, Big names fill up stadiums...but so do winners. Look at the Pistons, they are so booring to watch, but they are always at the top of thier respective conference. Same with the Pats, they aren't explosive, but they WIN.