Sign Jonathan Martin

[RonSpringsdaman20]

doomsday…… old school is getting a verbal beatdown in this thread!!!!

via no fistacuff's, hold the dairy!

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So, because it has happened before means its should continue? Shouldn't things be able to change? Shouldn't people evolve? There are countless examples in this country's history about things being the way that "they always have been", evolving and changing for the better.

A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong gives it a superficial appearance of being right.

Wisdom.

 

[MRV52]

No thanks. We don't need no more cupcakes on this team.

 

[starfrombirth]

Not arguing that's how the atmosphere is, I agree with you. But it shouldn't be. You don't have to be an SOB to be a tough dude, and you don't have to be openly racist in the workplace to be considered "mean". Whether you like it or not, the NFL is a business, it's a job, and the players are employees. Plenty of players work their tails off to get to this point, and I doubt a good amount of them that want distractions like this around them when they're trying to support a family and work. And in no way, shape, or form is it okay for a business(worth multiples of hundreds of millions) to allow this to continue. Regardless if it used to be "acceptable" or not. It's allowed to work this way because no one wants to

The way I see it, if they don't want to get along with their fellow employees they can look for another job. Better yet, let the "mean" ones join the military, make 1/20 the salary they currently do, and let them do a few tours to see how mean they really are. It's not hard to be mean when you're 300 pounds and you've never been held accountable for your actions.

Yes you're taught how to handle a bully, when you're an adolescent. These are full-grown adults and their behavior is inexcusable.

That attitude doesn't just resonate in the locker room, it carries over to their personal life and social atmospheres. It's 2014, if you can't come to work and act like a man then there's the door, don't let it hit you in the *** on the way out.

He's not racist. Even his teamates said so. He used the same "racial slur" that they use and being on the inside of their culture, the only ones who took offense to it were outsiders. ... and Martin

 

[starfrombirth]

Yeah - and all the science behind dealing with bullies suggest that macho approach doesn't really work.

But I know from various other discussions that your opinions pretty much ignore science.

I know for a personal fact it does... You don't need to know the story but all the psycoticological bs from the Dr. Spock school of thought is just that.... crap!

 

[starfrombirth]

I have. They sound like a friend that was betrayed and painted as the boogey-man and made the scapegoat for the whole situation, which was obviously a problem for Martin long before he met Incognito. If Martin couldn't handle the ribbing from teammates, how is he to be counted on to stand up to opponents? Football is as much a mental battle as a physical one.

What's Martin going to do when the Dlinemen across from him start talking about his sister and mother? Say," Mister referee sir, this mean man said bad things about my mommy and sister. He should be penalized 15 yards!".

 

[starfrombirth]

You go for the law of talon? an eye for an eye; a tooth for a tooth?

It's been detailed that Martin felt trapped because the coaches and other players participated in the activity. It was a dysfunctional situation to say the least.

What I am going to guess is that they recommend institutional reform and change the environment such that Martin would have an outlet beyond ending his own life or leaving the organization.

Coach... singular... one. And a lower level one at that. The very document you are espousing said that the head coach had no idea.

 

[WV Cowboy]

So, because it has happened before means its should continue? Shouldn't things be able to change?

Sure, sometimes change is good, ... but only if it is an improvement. Only if it makes thing better.

Some things are good just the way they are.

This changing just for the sake of change is crazy.

The old saying, "if it ain't broke, don't try to fix it" is ringing more true with each birthday I celebrate.

 

[WV Cowboy]

all of the psycoticological bs from the Dr. Spock school of thought is just that.... crap!

Yea, well, .. Spock's son took his won life, .. so we probably should never have listened to any of his parenting suggestions to begin with.

That's one example where change was not good.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Who would have thought that a thread for an average tackle would last ten pages. Oye!

 

[WV Cowboy]

Who would have thought that a thread for an average tackle would last ten pages. Oye!

LOL, .. was this thread ever about the need for a tackle?

 

[Doomsday101]

doomsday…… old school is getting a verbal beatdown in this thread!!!!

via no fistacuff's, hold the dairy!

I don't think so but believe as you choose. I find it funny myself. Martin is just as guilty given the text and in some ways worse as he lies about not know where the story came from. Never telling incognito in any of the messages that he does not care for the comments he has made and to make matter worse he also engages in the conversation being crud but oh no he is being bullied and cant deal with it mentally and this is a guy people would want on this team. You guys are too funny. The to top it off saying that a person should not stand up aginst a bully but go tell on them as if they will fly in a locker room, only thing that will do is isolate that player from others because they will not want to deal with him out of fear he will go and tell coach on them.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Coach... singular... one. And a lower level one at that. The very document you are espousing said that the head coach had no idea.

And....

 

[gmoney112]

He's not racist. Even his teamates said so. He used the same "racial slur" that they use and being on the inside of their culture, the only ones who took offense to it were outsiders. ... and Martin

He was blatantly racist to a staff member. You obviously did not read the report.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I know for a personal fact it does... You don't need to know the story but all the psycoticological bs from the Dr. Spock school of thought is just that.... crap!

Personal anecdotes are great and all but are not exactly comprehensive. Incognito was not your typical bully. He exhibits antisocial and sociopathic behavior. Reprisal or deterrence does not work with those types.

 

[Seven]

The to top it off saying that a person should not stand up aginst a bully but go tell on them as if they will fly in a locker room.

Flying athletes.................... Now there's a topic we can sink our teeth into.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I don't think so but believe as you choose. I find it funny myself. Martin is just as guilty given the text and in some ways worse as he lies about not know where the story came from. Never telling incognito in any of the messages that he does not care for the comments he has made and to make matter worse he also engages in the conversation being crud but oh no he is being bullied and cant deal with it mentally and this is a guy people would want on this team. You guys are too funny. The to top it off saying that a person should not stand up aginst a bully but go tell on them as if they will fly in a locker room, only thing that will do is isolate that player from others because they will not want to deal with him out of fear he will go and tell coach on them.

You paint a broad brush based oin nothing. I will say that this type of attitude is the same in regards to crime in low income neighborhoods. Don't snitch...

It's mindnumbingly stupid.

 

[Doomsday101]

Flying athletes.................... Now there's a topic we can sink our teeth into.

lol, If people think having some guy telling on them is going to work out with teammates they have another thing coming. I have yet to hear any player in the history of the NFL do what Martin has done nor have I ever heard of an NFL player being bullied. Top it off the guy is not even that good of a player, heck he can't handle banter from teammates how is he going to cope in Dallas with the media and fans who can be brutal, ask Costa or Free. what fans and media going to tip toe around Martin out of fear he could get offended. LOL

 

[Doomsday101]

You paint a broad brush based oin nothing. I will say that this type of attitude is the same in regards to crime in low income neighborhoods. Don't snitch...

It's mindnumbingly stupid.

I paint a reality in the NFL this is not office this is a locker room, this guys can't cut it and yes not standing up for himself and if you bother to read the damn text you will see he is just as guilty. He never once says anything to incoginto about being bullied or that he does not care for that. No he joins in he lies and then plays innocent in the whole matter. You guys are too funny defending this scum and no I sure as hell would not want a spastic like him in the locker room. Guy is a fricken loser. Your comments are as if you are talking about a child and maybe your right Martin is a child and does not belong on a NFL team with men.

 

[Seven]

lol, If people think having some guy telling on them is going to work out with teammates they have another thing coming.

Really? Incognito is gone. Martin has a J.O.B. And word has it the team won't miss Incognito all that much.

I have yet to hear any player in the history of the NFL do what Martin has done nor have I ever heard of an NFL player being bullied.

Never heard of bullying in the NFL? Does that make it NOT possible? Never happens/happened? Where do you get this stuff?

what fans and media going to tip toe around Martin out of fear he could get offended. LOL

Gimme me a break. They tip toe around jerry ALL THE TIME so's he don't get his wittle feewings hurt.