Sign Jonathan Martin

[Chocolate Lab]

http://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/ritojm2.pdf

Based on the text between the 2 I have even less respect for Martin. This guy is lame and 2 faced

I just read way too many pages of those texts... If all you did was read that, you would never have any idea Martin was "bullied" into anything.

 

[Wayne02]

I just read way too many pages of those texts... If all you did was read that, you would never have any idea Martin was "bullied" into anything.

Exactly, both of those guys are disgusting.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Nobody on here is defending Incognito or excusing his behavior so you can keep attacking that straw man all you want to make yourself feel better.

There have been several statements such as the locker room being an exception. There have been utilitarian arguments about the ends justifying the means as in the Haley example. There is also a zero sum mentality to demean Martin which speaks to a defense of Incognito.

 

[dogberry]

If I were an NFL owner, nothing I rather do than hire Jonathan Martin, the son of a SUCCESSFUL employment law litigator. Sorry about the yelling. We billionaires are sentimental about hanging onto our loot.

 

[jobberone]

If your post is about another member rather than the topic then please throttle back and coast to the pits.

 

[Wayne02]

There have been several statements such as the locker room being an exception. There have been utilitarian arguments about the ends justifying the means as in the Haley example. There is also a zero sum mentality to demean Martin which speaks to a defense of Incognito.

Demeaning Martin doesn't mean that anyone is trying to uplift Incognito. I'm saying that Incognito is a jerk and a clown, but we all knew that, but the issue is this supposed bulliying that was going on. Based on the text messages that I read between those two, it is hard to justify that there was any bullying going on. Martin was just as much of a jerk and a loser as Incognito from what I've read, and I really think it caught Incognito off guard when Martin just walked away.

 

[Doomsday101]

I just read way too many pages of those texts... If all you did was read that, you would never have any idea Martin was "bullied" into anything.

I agree, sounds like 2 guys giving each other the business and yet still talk of concen of each other yet incoginto is held out as some bully when Martin was doing the same stuff.

 

[speedkilz88]

Sorry but this is pretty sad. I have nothing?

You are getting very emotional. Martin is a FA and we will see if anyone is willing to give him a job but by all means continue trying to heap abuse.

I am going to do as Martin and just leave this alone. Take care.

His contract with the Dolphins runs through 2015. He really shouldn't even get credit for this past season since he only played in 7 games and it was a non football injury.

 

[skinsscalper]

http://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/ritojm2.pdf

Based on the text between the 2 I have even less respect for Martin. This guy is lame and 2 faced

O.K. I (reluctantly) admit that I read EVERY SINGLE text message between these two guys and, I'm sorry, but I just lost any shred of respect I could have ever had for Martin after reading that entire exchange.

Now, I know that more went on than just banter between these two over their cell phones, but the most disturbing thing to me is towards the end (specifically 10/28/13-11/1/13). Incognito seems to be reaching out to Martin. Martin responds by saying he doesn't blame anyone, but he is having trouble with the locker room mentality. He then goes on to deny that has anything to do with what's being said in the media. The entire time Incognito is offering his proverbial shoulder. Martin had several opportunities to come out to Incognito (who, by the way, was thousands of miles away) and tell him "Look bro, some of the stuff you've been doing has really been cuttin' deep. I know it's just you being you, but it's been killing me, bro". He did none of that. He denied he had anything to do with the reports coming out. That's a coward any way you slice it. Spout all the psycho babble that you want, but I would almost guarantee you that any psychologist would say that if you had the opportunity to confront your problem safely that it's important and healthy to do so. Confrontation doesn't mean violence, revenge, retribution, or anything of the sort. It means exactly what is sounds like: confront.

After reading through the exchanges between these two I have a hard time accepting that Martin continued to communicate with Incognito acting like he was a friend all the while stabbing him in the back. Had Martin reached out to Incognito (especially AFTER all this had come to a head)and let him know what was REALLY behind the whole fiasco, I believe that Incognito would have taken a step back and said "Holy **** bro, I had no idea. I thought we were just giving each other a hard time. I didn't think I was turning your whole world upside down dude."

Instead, Martin acted like a coward and refused to even acknowledge his role in the entire thing (even though he was on the other side of the country, so threat of physical retaliation was literally impossible at the time). No room on ANY team for that type of cowardice. The #1 component on an effective O-line is trust between lineman. Martin offers none. And, Incognito is a ****** bag, so no to both, for me. But a whopping HELL no for Martin.

Sorry psychology dudes. I don't condone that level of cowardice on any level. Sure as hell not on my football team.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

His contract with the Dolphins runs through 2015. He really shouldn't even get credit for this past season since he only played in 7 games and it was a non football injury.

So then he is already an NFL player. I thought they had negotiated his release. Good stuff.

 

[Wayne02]

O.K. I (reluctantly) admit that I read EVERY SINGLE text message between these two guys and, I'm sorry, but I just lost any shred of respect I could have ever had for Martin after reading that entire exchange.

Now, I know that more went on than just banter between these two over their cell phones, but the most disturbing thing to me is towards the end (specifically 10/28/13-11/1/13). Incognito seems to be reaching out to Martin. Martin responds by saying he doesn't blame anyone, but he is having trouble with the locker room mentality. He then goes on to deny that has anything to do with what's being said in the media. The entire time Incognito is offering his proverbial shoulder. Martin had several opportunities to come out to Incognito (who, by the way, was thousands of miles away) and tell him "Look bro, some of the stuff you've been doing has really been cuttin' deep. I know it's just you being you, but it's been killing me, bro". He did none of that. He denied he had anything to do with the reports coming out. That's a coward any way you slice it. Spout all the psycho babble that you want, but I would almost guarantee you that any psychologist would say that if you had the opportunity to confront your problem safely that it's important and healthy to do so. Confrontation doesn't mean violence, revenge, retribution, or anything of the sort. It means exactly what is sounds like: confront.

After reading through the exchanges between these two I have a hard time accepting that Martin continued to communicate with Incognito acting like he was a friend all the while stabbing him in the back. Had Martin reached out to Incognito (especially AFTER all this had come to a head)and let him know what was REALLY behind the whole fiasco, I believe that Incognito would have taken a step back and said "Holy **** bro, I had no idea. I thought we were just giving each other a hard time. I didn't think I was turning your whole world upside down dude."

Instead, Martin acted like a coward and refused to even acknowledge his role in the entire thing (even though he was on the other side of the country, so threat of physical retaliation was literally impossible at the time). No room on ANY team for that type of cowardice. The #1 component on an effective O-line is trust between lineman. Martin offers none. And, Incognito is a ****** bag, so no to both, for me. But a whopping HELL no for Martin.

Sorry psychology dudes. I don't condone that level of cowardice on any level. Sure as hell not on my football team.

This post deserves 100 likes. I couldn't have said this any better, well done sir.

 

[Setackin]

Attitudes like that are why bullying remains a major problem in the US

Attitudes like urs is y this country has become a bunch of kittens... Man up.

 

[burmafrd]

This post deserves 100 likes. I couldn't have said this any better, well done sir.

its idiotic drivel.

 

[Wayne02]

its idiotic drivel.

**It's

 

[Setackin]

On page 70 it says jeff ireland was the Dallas Cowboys GM lol

 

[skinsscalper]

its idiotic drivel.

LOL. Coming from you, that's rich. I haven't read a thing from you on this board in years that was worth a turd. So, I'll consider the source and laugh at your lack of input.

By the way it's "it's", genius. Talk about idiotic drivel.

 

[starfrombirth]

If you read the report it's apparent that it was less him not standing up for himself and more his "reserved, intellectual nature" that they were bullying. I think it's a good thing he didn't punch them in the face to be honest, read the report and I'm sure you'll agree any normal American male would've reacted with much more malice in response to the harassment he received than walking out of practice.

Larry Allen was very quiet and reserved. Do you think he would have been bullied? Sorry but Martin is S. O. F. T. Incognito may not be a stand up guy but we don't need anymore soft nice guys on our team.

 

[dogunwo]

yeah the science? they are the ones who got their butts kicked growing up. Many of us had to deal with it and it does work. These are the same idiots running around saying kids should be praised for what they do and don't spank them. Now we see school shooting and suicides by youth that never happened on this scale. Maybe all the so called experts do not know what they hell they are talking about.

Dooms, I really enjoy your posts, but you have got to be kidding me with this. Turn the page to 2014. Elementary school kids have cellphones for crying out loud.

 

[dogunwo]

Yep, players turned on the weak and that was Martin.

Its completely foolish for you to suggest that just because someone isn't ok with Richie Incognito's behavior, they must not have played ball before.

 

[dogunwo]

So you have fights in your office? NFL teams have them every year in training camp where guys get mad and go after each other. yeah NFL is just like an office work place. lol

So, because it has happened before means its should continue? Shouldn't things be able to change? Shouldn't people evolve? There are countless examples in this country's history about things being the way that "they always have been", evolving and changing for the better.