Sign Jonathan Martin

[jobberone]

Heaven forbid I was petulant. LOL

You didn't answer my question, .. what should Martin have done?

You said what the Dolphins should do moving forward, .. but that didn't help Martin then.

How does science say anybody being bullied should respond to the bully?

I haven't studied the 'science' of bullies although I have studied psychiatry. You meet aggression with assertiveness which can include anger and not backing down. Most bullies are insecure and use aggression to get their way and further their emotional needs and psychological defenses. Those can generally be contained with a word to management and being assertive as to your rights and your wishes.

That doesn't always work with the run of the mill bully and it probably won't work with someone with a hostile, aggressive anti-social or sociopathic personality. In that case meeting confrontation with assertiveness including self defense would likely be counterproductive. That's where you need administrative, civil, and/or judicial action.

Without knowing the people involved including the personal and group psychodynamics then everything is just a scientific wild arse guess.

Even assertive stable functional people can be intimidated esp in a work environment where you may feel inhibited outside your normal personality and character.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I cannot believe Martin did nothing to help the asian kid.
People can discuss what he did or did not do as a bullying victim.

But not helping the trainer was only the actions of a coward.

Why is this all on Martin? It was a whole organization of people.

 

[Vtwin]

I don't think anyone is saying what went on is "right".

Some seem to be living in a world where that stuff doesn't go on and are projecting that to encompass the other world.

Others live in the world where it does go on and can't understand why, even though they would likely say it is wrong, THIS case gets all the attention when similar things happen in many walks of life.

In the 'what it should be world' this is vile and inhuman.

In the "what it is world' it is business as usual.

You've got to play be the rules of the world you are in. It is just as simple as that.

As far as office work goes. LOL. Sure, stuff like this doesn't happen but.... how is the passive aggressive bs that can and does go on really any different?

It's a fine line.

And no. There is no way we want either of those clowns in the locker room.

 

[Carolina Cowboy]

You lost me with that statement. If you'd like to think that you are an evolved animal then go ahead and think that about yourself, but don't use the term "our"; just say you are an evolved animal.

You forgot "Highly". This is an evolved animal fixing your grammar.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Martin left the situation. What he did is fine with me given the dysfunctional environment he was in.

That's what I thought, .. you got nothin'.

Martin tucked his tail like a scared puppy for so long, that he became so sick of his cowardly response that he contemplated suicide, and finally walked away and quit his life's pursuit.

Now that is dysfunctional.

 

[Wayne02]

You forgot "Highly". This is an evolved animal fixing your grammar.

I'm not an animal or a "highly" evlolved animal, that was my point.

 

[Doomsday101]

You are quite emotional. Throwing out superlatives like whining and sorry arse. You really do not seem to get beyond the boys will be boys thing. It's the same excuse Incognito himself uses.

I am talking about sociopathic behavior and not bullying. The two are not mutually exclusive but after reading the recent report put out I think it's pretty clear that Incognito is mentally ill. Worse he was teaching other young teammates the behavior in Pouncey and McDonald. What they were doing to the trainer was especially messed up. Martin's actions will make that guys life better.

The argument is moot anyway because the Dolphins organization is saying that such behavior is unacceptable and they are making institutional reform.

Not emotional at all, I find this all too funny. How many NFL players have you heard of accusing someone of bullying? Honestly. Reason this is a story is because it does not happen. As for teaching Pouncy and McDonald? They are not parrots or some dog they have free will to join in or not. Martin based on some of the text that has been shown does not seem to be the meek innocent person either. As for the trainer and or coaches they normally are off limits. If 2 players get into it which is fairly common the matter ends and nothing happens, player attack a coach that player is gone. And again people are using normal work place as examples locker rooms are not normal work places, most people would be highly offended of what is said and done in locker rooms but it is what it is

 

[WV Cowboy]

Why is this all on Martin? It was a whole organization of people.

What I was talking about had nothing to do with the whole Martin/Incognito situation. That is a completely different conversation.

Martin, of all people knew how bad it was to be bullied, .. and yet he did nothing to help the kid even though he knew what he was going through.

Sad.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

That's what I thought, .. you got nothin'.

Martin tucked his tail like a scared puppy for so long, that he became so sick of his cowardly response that he contemplated suicide, and finally walked away and quit his life's pursuit.

Now that is dysfunctional.

Sorry but this is pretty sad. I have nothing?

You are getting very emotional. Martin is a FA and we will see if anyone is willing to give him a job but by all means continue trying to heap abuse.

I am going to do as Martin and just leave this alone. Take care.

 

[Doomsday101]

http://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/ritojm2.pdf

Based on the text between the 2 I have even less respect for Martin. This guy is lame and 2 faced

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Not emotional at all, I find this all too funny. How many NFL players have you heard of accusing someone of bullying? Honestly. Reason this is a story is because it does not happen. As for teaching Pouncy and McDonald? They are not parrots or some dog they have free will to join in or not. Martin based on some of the text that has been shown does not seem to be the meek innocent person either. As for the trainer and or coaches they normally are off limits. If 2 players get into it which is fairly common the matter ends and nothing happens, player attack a coach that player is gone. And again people are using normal work place as examples locker rooms are not normal work places, most people would be highly offended of what is said and done in locker rooms but it is what it is

The report released said today reports that Incognito was the instigator and involved Pouncey and McDonald. It is what it is.

You ignored my rebuttal to the office vs lockerroom argument and just repeated it again. This is boring. Bye.

 

[Doomsday101]

Sorry but this is pretty sad. I have nothing?

You are getting very emotional. Martin is a FA and we will see if anyone is willing to give him a job but by all means continue trying to heap abuse.

I am going to do as Martin and just leave this alone. Take care.

Martin did not leave it alone, read the text he was just as vulgar as Incognito and mased on the text Martin made an issue of all this then lies and blames his agent?

http://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/ritojm2.pdf

 

[Doomsday101]

The report released said today reports that Incognito was the instigator and involved Pouncey and McDonald. It is what it is.

You ignored my rebuttal to the office vs lockerroom argument and just repeated it again. This is boring. Bye.

Bye but read the text between the 2 then come back and tell me this was bullying? Martin is just as guilty as for report on Pouncy and McDonald they are grown men they both could have told Incognito to take a hike

 

[WV Cowboy]

Sorry but this is pretty sad. I have nothing?

You responded to my question as to "what would science suggest a victim do when getting bullied".

You never answered the question.

That's nothin'.

 

[Wayne02]

http://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/ritojm2.pdf

Based on the text between the 2 I have even less respect for Martin. This guy is lame and 2 faced

It's unbelievable that people on here are trying to defend Jonathon Martin, when in fact, he's just as much as an idiot as Richie Incognito

 

[WV Cowboy]

It's unbelievable that people on here are trying to defend Jonathon Martin, when in fact, he's just as much as an idiot as Richie Incognito

Two ends of the spectrum, but both are pretty sad individuals, for different reasons.

Perfect storm or something I guess.

 

[Doomsday101]

It's unbelievable that people on here are trying to defend Jonathon Martin, when in fact, he's just as much as an idiot as Richie Incognito

I agree, he is acting just like the so called bully. Martin is a complete phony and a jerk.

 

[burmafrd]

The ignorance of some here is astounding. But then again when i see the romo haters and the garrett homers I realize that normal is a relative term.

and the efforts of some here to try and make Incognito a victim is pathetic. Just like some trying to make Martin an instigator- for those maybe a little research on the term 'Stockholm Syndrome" just might make them think a little.

 

[Wayne02]

The ignorance of some here is astounding. But then again when i see the romo haters and the garrett homers I realize that normal is a relative term.

and the efforts of some here to try and make Incognito a victim is pathetic. Just like some trying to make Martin an instigator- for those maybe a little research on the term 'Stockholm Syndrome" just might make them think a little.

Nobody on here is defending Incognito or excusing his behavior so you can keep attacking that straw man all you want to make yourself feel better.

 

[WV Cowboy]

The ignorance of some here is astounding. But then again when i see the romo haters and the garrett homers I realize that normal is a relative term.

and the efforts of some here to try and make Incognito a victim is pathetic. Just like some trying to make Martin an instigator- for those maybe a little research on the term 'Stockholm Syndrome" just might make them think a little.

So when someone disagrees with your opinion of Romo or Garrett, they are ignorant. LOL

I haven't seen anyone say Incognito is a victim, or that Martin was an instigator, .. and I have read most of this thread.

And what a slam on true victims of "Stockholm syndrome". Can't believe you went there.