Sign Jonathan Martin

[FuzzyLumpkins]

And you haven't read the text messages.

Yes, I have but thanks for admitting to speaking from a position of ignorance.

 

[Wayne02]

Yes, I have but thanks for admitting to speaking from a position of ignorance.

I never said that I didn't read the report, but from some of the junk that you've been spewing on here I could tell that you didn't read the text messages, or you're just being willfully ignorant.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So now Martin is a woman and or a child instead of a 300 pound player on an offensive line in a sport know for it's physical nature and hard nosed atmosphe. Talk about painting with a broad brush. Not all situation are the same, as I mented above how you deal with harrasment in an office is differant than in sports. So in the mean time Martin can act as he wants says what he wants and yet if others do that with him they are being bullies? lol Yeah I want him as my teammate. lol

You said the woman comparison first. You opened that can of worms. Making an argument and in your next statement contradicting it makes you look the sophist.

In 2012, when the abuse began, Martin was a rookie and Incognito was a team leader. You really should read the report.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I never said that I didn't read the report, but from some of the junk that you've been spewing on here I could tell that you didn't read the text messages, or you're just being willfully ignorant.

So now you are saying that I am lying. That is nice. I am aware of the exchange and it's why I keep saying that you do not understand abusive relationships. You just seem incapable of clearing that mental hurdle to get from a victims participation to abusive relationships.

It's pretty sad.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I never said that I didn't read the report, but from some of the junk that you've been spewing on here I could tell that you didn't read the text messages, or you're just being willfully ignorant.

Have you read the report?

 

[Doomsday101]

You said the woman comparison first. You opened that can of worms. Making an argument and in your next statement contradicting it makes you look the sophist.

In 2012, when the abuse began, Martin was a rookie and Incognito was a team leader. You really should read the report.

and? players get harrassed rookies get harrassed and yet Martin could not deal with it. He never says anything to them instead he acts as they do. So if you are in a situation where you are getting teased and teasing back at what point are you the victim? Martin was not the only player these things were done to yet no where does he tell them to stop no he behaves as they do. What is clear you don't know jack about locker rooms and what takes place in them that is perfectly clear.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

and? players get harrassed rookies get harrassed and yet Martin could not deal with it. He never says anything to them instead he acts as they do. So if you are in a situation where you are getting teased and teasing back at what point are you the victim? Martin was not the only player these things were done to yet no where does he tell them to stop no he behaves as they do. What is clear you don't know jack about locker rooms and what takes place in them that is perfectly clear.

Actually he did say something to them especially after the first offseason when he started to reach out to friends and family. You should read the report.

 

[Wayne02]

So now you are saying that I am lying. That is nice. I am aware of the exchange and it's why I keep saying that you do not understand abusive relationships. You just seem incapable of clearing that mental hurdle to get from a victims participation to abusive relationships.

It's pretty sad.

No you don't understand how easy it is for someone to just say NO. They taught that back in grade school. If you don't like how a certain person or people are treating you, then open your mouth and say something. Read the text messages again, because I'm really having a hard time believing you read them. Incognito shows concern for Martin's well being as well in those messages. Please read them this time, and then reply back with a logical response.

 

[Wayne02]

Have you read the report?

Yes, I read it, and from Martins own mouth, he stated that he has had a problem since high school.

 

[WV Cowboy]

You have to love bluster.

Standing up for yourself is not blustering.

Would you simply allow someone to continuously bully you?

 

[WV Cowboy]

Again -- complete failure of the US educational system. Personal experience does not equal what works best for most people. Your personal experiences do not trump science. Period. End of story. Get that or forever fail at critical thinking.

I asked this yesterday, but got no response.

What would science have a person do that is being bullied?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

No you don't understand how easy it is for someone to just say NO. They taught that back in grade school. If you don't like how a certain person or people are treating you, then open your mouth and say something. Read the text messages again, because I'm really having a hard time believing you read them. Incognito shows concern for Martin's well being as well in those messages. Please read them this time, and then reply back with a logical response.

I told you I read them. How about you actually address my comment about the hurdle you are unable to clear. Just repeating yourself and ignoring my rebuttal is fun but it just says to me you don't understand. That's fine but I cannot take you seriously whatsoever.

You ever been in a fraternity or the like? So easy to say no? You guys keep talking about how an NFL locker room is different than other locations but don't embrace the notion at all. Martin was a rookie brand new coming in when Pouncey and Incognito got a hold of them and the abuse began. It never stopped.

Quite frankly what Incognito did from a leadership position like that is horrific.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I asked this yesterday, but got no response.

What would science have a person do that is being bullied?

You have been told multiple times. You were first informed about sociopaths because that is what type of behavior we see here and then I said that science says to isolate them or walk away.

You said that I had nothing.

You guys have an interesting manner by which you argue.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Standing up for yourself is not blustering.

Would you simply allow someone to continuously bully you?

I will pass on the question. I am not much for bluster.

 

[AbeBeta]

I asked this yesterday, but got no response.

What would science have a person do that is being bullied?

Stand up to the bully verbally. Tell authorities. Continue to do so until action is taken.

 

[Wayne02]

I told you I read them. How about you actually address my comment about the hurdle you are unable to clear. Just repeating yourself and ignoring my rebuttal is fun but it just says to me you don't understand. That's fine but I cannot take you seriously whatsoever.

You ever been in a fraternity or the like? So easy to say no? You guys keep talking about how an NFL locker room is different than other locations but don't embrace the notion at all. Martin was a rookie brand new coming in when Pouncey and Incognito got a hold of them and the abuse began. It never stopped. Quite frankly what Incognito did from a leadership position like that is horrific.

Evey rookie gets harrassed dude, are you serious??? I've been harrassed when I played sports with older guys, I got harrassed when I got to the fleet in the Navy, and when I moved up in rank, I harrassed the younger guys who were coming in. Johnathan Martin is no special case, it wasn't this supposed "bullying" that caused him to have problems, and if you read the report that you posted, you'll see that John Martin from his own mouth, claims that he has had problems since high school. You have no idea what you're talking about, you're just rambling off the same nonsensical, ignorant conjectural statements without having a clue about the real world.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Evey rookie gets harrassed dude, are you serious??? I've been harrassed when I played sports with older guys, I got harrassed when I got to the fleet in the Navy, and when I moved up in rank, I harrassed the younger guys who were coming in. Johnathan Martin is no special case, it wasn't this supposed "bullying" that caused him to have problems, and if you read the report that you posted, you'll see that John Martin from his own mouth, claims that he has had problems since high school. You have no idea what you're talking about, you're just rambling off the same nonsensical, ignorant conjectural statements without having a clue about the real world.

I don't know what I am talking about?

Incognito is the special case. That is what you seem incapable of grasping. And apparently because Martin has had trouble in the past that means whatever he gets from then on is acceptable?

I am tired of going round and round with ideological sophists. Take care.

 

[WV Cowboy]

You have been told multiple times. You were first informed about sociopaths because that is what type of behavior we see here and then I said that science says to isolate them or walk away.

You said that I had nothing.

You guys have an interesting manner by which you argue.

I didn't know this was an argument.

Do you think all of the "book reading" will help when the victim turns the corner, or walks out into the parking lot, and there he is again, .. the bully.
Only this time it is just him, and the bully, .. face to face, nobody else is there, .. only the glow of a streetlight.
A lot of good science is going to do him them.

Just tell the bully, .. "I am going to isolate you and walk away now."

You guys have sure read a lot of books, but have you really lived down at the street level of life?

Usually, nothing will save you from a bully, but your own backbone.

 

[WV Cowboy]

I will pass on the question. I am not much for bluster.

Ha, ... still got nothin'.

You spout off like crazy, but have no solutions or advice to help a victim at all.

 

[Wayne02]

I don't know what I am talking about?

Incognito is the special case. That is what you seem incapable of grasping. And apparently because Martin has had trouble in the past that means whatever he gets from then on is acceptable?

I am tired of going round and round with ideological sophists. Take care.

Yes, you have no clue about what goes on in locker rooms and it is apparent that you have never been in a locker room type of environment. Martin has had issues since high school, meaning, that the "bullying" wasn't the cause for his problems, he already had problems before he got to the NFL. The other guy who was being harrassed didn't seem to feel the need to walk away or engage himself with the kind of grotesque things off the field with the supposed "boogeyman" Incognito.