Sign Jonathan Martin

[Doomsday101]

I don't really know how it works in the NFL, but it is definitely a workplace. At my workplace, we had an online course where we learned that bullying or getting together and isolating and ignoring another individual was grounds for termination. Zero tolerance.

In any case, we need depth on the OL, so let's grab him. He'll probably come cheap, which is all we can afford, and RHG isn't going to tolerate bullying anyway. Presumably, RKGs don't bully people.

So you have fights in your office? NFL teams have them every year in training camp where guys get mad and go after each other. yeah NFL is just like an office work place. lol

 

[Deep_South]

So you have fights in your office? NFL teams have them every year in training camp where guys get mad and go after each other. yeah NFL is just like an office work place. lol

I really don't like to pursue straw man arguments.

 

[AbeBeta]

and your is? LOL please some PHD tells you something and it is the gospel? Yeah based on evidence of today’s events around the country I say your experts do not know jack but at least they have people like you to sell their BS to, no question asked they say you buy into it. Good for you

No -- not "some Ph.D." -- the collective knowledge of many Ph.D.'s studying the issue. And like I said, you can get best practices recommendations all day long -- when there is a failure to implement those practices, you see issues.

"I know better than the experts" attitudes like yours are the real problem. More so such attitudes reflect a fundamental failure of the educational system in our country.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

On a team of 53 you will have guys who are like Haley and most guys know how to deal with him. This is not a matter of condoning it is a matter of reality and the world in which they live in. You either stand your ground or you will get walked over that is the reality There are many stories on many teams of guys like this again Martin showed he could not take it and no would not want players who can't. Hollywood Henderson got in to Randy White face according to Drew Person that was a big mistake as Randy decked him. This is not office enviroment and yet people want to act as if well you can't do that where I work? No kidding this is not a normal job and these are not normal conditions.

Nice story but all I see are assertions without any backing. Sociopathic behavior shows up in about 1% of the population. Within the NFL demographic who knows but you making up crap about incidence levels doesn't help.

All you are doing is the "boys will be boys" argument in another form. You also do not seem to understand the difference between a pissing contest and a sociopath being habitually abusive and demonstrating no empathy. Comparing a scuffup between two teammates and a guy that harasses and stalks players over the course of years is fun but it posits absolutely nothing.

Behavior such as that does not belong anywhere. Not in schools, not in offices and not in NFL lockerrooms. Leadership sets the standard; it does not just accept whatever may come as is. That does not mean it will never happen but it should never be acceptable.

 

[WV Cowboy]

What would science say to do if you are being bullied?

I presume science would not want you to do what Martin did, .. that resulted in contemplating suicide.

So what is the scientific response to being bullied?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

What would science say to do if you are being bullied?

I presume science would not want you to do what Martin did, .. that resulted in contemplating suicide.

So what is the scientific response to being bullied?

You go for the law of talon? an eye for an eye; a tooth for a tooth?

It's been detailed that Martin felt trapped because the coaches and other players participated in the activity. It was a dysfunctional situation to say the least.

What I am going to guess is that they recommend institutional reform and change the environment such that Martin would have an outlet beyond ending his own life or leaving the organization.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

And for all of this talk of new methods being poor and citing school shootings and the like as evidence that the old way of accepting bullying as better, I posit that violent crime and suicide rates are at all time lows for the country. It is what it is.

 

[WV Cowboy]

You go for the law of talon? an eye for an eye; a tooth for a tooth?

It's been detailed that Martin felt trapped because the coaches and other players participated in the activity. It was a dysfunctional situation to say the least.

What I am going to guess is that they recommend institutional reform and change the environment such that Martin would have an outlet beyond ending his own life or leaving the organization.

Is that it?
What would science have Martin to do? How should Martin have responded to Incognito, .. scientifically?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Is that it?
What would science have Martin to do? How should Martin have responded to Incognito, .. scientifically?

You are acting petulant. I told you the context that science would recommend in institutional reforms.

 

[WV Cowboy]

You are acting petulant. I told you the context that science would recommend in institutional reforms.

Heaven forbid I was petulant. LOL

You didn't answer my question, .. what should Martin have done?

You said what the Dolphins should do moving forward, .. but that didn't help Martin then.

How does science say anybody being bullied should respond to the bully?

 

[Doomsday101]

And for all of this talk of new methods being poor and citing school shootings and the like as evidence that the old way of accepting bullying as better, I posit that violent crime and suicide rates are at all time lows for the country. It is what it is.

suicide rates are at all time lows for the country. CDC seems to have different findings but hey whatever makes you feel better right. lol

You guys are right Martin needs to go tell on the bully and then when he is shut out by the rest of his teammates then he can live in peace on some other team if they will take his sorry ars. Guys running to the media and telling is not going to endear him to his teammates. Vast majority of players deal with so called bullies why is this news with Martin because he is the exception he is the 300 pounder who can't deal with it who has to leave the team because he is mentally upset with it bottom line he is not cut out for it evidently because I don't see any other player whinning about being bullied.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

LOL. Some people in this thread expect 25 year olds playing an incredibly violent game to behave like old ladies in a sewing circle. It's not going to happen. Most of these guys have at least a partial screw loose.

Also, some of you are acting like the people not 100% supporting Martin's actions are endorsing Richie Incognito, and that's not the case. Incognito is an jerk and a-hole of the highest order. But that doesn't mean Martin was somehow powerless to do anything about him or that he handled this the right way.

The guy I feel sorry for in this story is the equipment guy. Now there's someone who truly was in a position to be bullied.

 

[WV Cowboy]

LOL. Some people in this thread expect 25 year olds playing an incredibly violent game to behave like old ladies in a sewing circle. It's not going to happen. Most of these guys have at least a partial screw loose.

Also, some of you are acting like the people not 100% supporting Martin's actions are endorsing Richie Incognito, and that's not the case. Incognito is an jerk and a-hole of the highest order. But that doesn't mean Martin was somehow powerless to do anything about him or that he handled this the right way.

The guy I feel sorry for in this story is the equipment guy. Now there's someone who truly was in a position to be bullied.

And Martin did nothing.

 

[Doomsday101]

LOL. Some people in this thread expect 25 year olds playing an incredibly violent game to behave like old ladies in a sewing circle. It's not going to happen. Most of these guys have at least a partial screw loose.

Also, some of you are acting like the people not 100% supporting Martin's actions are endorsing Richie Incognito, and that's not the case. Incognito is an jerk and a-hole of the highest order. But that doesn't mean Martin was somehow powerless to do anything about him or that he handled this the right way.

The guy I feel sorry for in this story is the equipment guy. Now there's someone who truly was in a position to be bullied.

I also think Incognito is an jerk and a-hole of the highest order. I think Chales Haley was looked at like that as well and when his production on the field in SF declined they were unwilling to put up with his antics any longer, so Dallas went out and got him. In Dallas he was also a jerk and down right mean but guys were able to deal with him. Some feel it is the reason that he has not been named to the HOF since Haley was abusive to the media as well,

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

suicide rates are at all time lows for the country. CDC seems to have different findings but hey whatever makes you feel better right. lol

You guys are right Martin needs to go tell on the bully and then when he is shut out by the rest of his teammates then he can live in peace on some other team if they will take his sorry ars. Guys running to the media and telling is not going to endear him to his teammates. Vast majority of players deal with so called bullies why is this news with Martin because he is the exception he is the 300 pounder who can't deal with it who has to leave the team because he is mentally upset with it bottom line he is not cut out for it evidently because I don't see any other player whinning about being bullied.

You are quite emotional. Throwing out superlatives like whining and sorry arse. You really do not seem to get beyond the boys will be boys thing. It's the same excuse Incognito himself uses.

I am talking about sociopathic behavior and not bullying. The two are not mutually exclusive but after reading the recent report put out I think it's pretty clear that Incognito is mentally ill. Worse he was teaching other young teammates the behavior in Pouncey and McDonald. What they were doing to the trainer was especially messed up. Martin's actions will make that guys life better.

The argument is moot anyway because the Dolphins organization is saying that such behavior is unacceptable and they are making institutional reform.

 

[Wayne02]

Sorry. Pass. Everyone and I mean everyone faces bullying of some type in their lives. It is part of the human condition and speaks to our nature as a highly evolved animal. How you deal with it speaks volumes about what you are capable of, or should I say best suited for. This guy is NOT, I repeat NOT suited to play in the NFL. He has already demonstrated that.

You lost me with that statement, if you'd like to think that you are an evolved animal then go ahead and think that about yourself, but don't use the term "our" just say you are an evolved animal.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

And Martin did nothing.

Martin very well may be a weak willed individual. That does not excuse anything.

And Martin did do something. He went outside the organization.

 

[ROUSH8692]

Since we all know Miles Austin will be cut, does this mean Romo2Austin will no longer post here?

fingerscrossed

 

[WV Cowboy]

Martin very well may be a weak willed individual. That does not excuse anything.

And Martin did do something. He went outside the organization.

I cannot believe Martin did nothing to help the asian kid.
People can discuss what he did or did not do as a bullying victim.

But not helping the trainer was only the actions of a coward.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Heaven forbid I was petulant. LOL

You didn't answer my question, .. what should Martin have done?

You said what the Dolphins should do moving forward, .. but that didn't help Martin then.

How does science say anybody being bullied should respond to the bully?

Martin left the situation. What he did is fine with me given the dysfunctional environment he was in.