Sign Jonathan Martin

[WV Cowboy]

But, what is louder is the fact, is that no one has spoken out for him.

Initially some of his teammates did speak out for him. - -

'Teddy bear off the field'

Chris Draft played with Incognito when both were with the St. Louis Rams in 2007 and 2008. Incognito's on-field aggressive persona was nothing like his personality away from the playing field, Draft said.

"He was really kind of a big teddy bear off the field. My wife actually loved him," he said.


NFL's pecking order

Dolphins rookie Will Davis said he hasn't experienced any acts of bullying or hazing.

"I think a lot of people think of hazing as being cruel, but I don't see anything like that in this locker room," he said. "But it depends on how you take hazing. I've always thought the guys in here were great."

He said everyone on the team loves Incognito.

"I was shocked," he said.

Wide receiver Mike Wallace said there was a lot of respect for both players.

"I know both of those guys personally," he said. "I feel like they are both good guys."

Former Dolphins linebacker Channing Crowder told "Piers Morgan Live" that a locker room is often a place where players are trying to establish a pecking order.

People cannot compare it to working at a regular job, he said, because it involves physically aggressive men with big egos competing and trying to prove their manhood.

NFL players are "a bunch of testosterone-filled alpha males who are trying to find their place on the totem pole," he told Morgan.

He said when Incognito joined the team, he would test people to see where he stood with them.

"He is a guy that needs to know his place with you," Crowder said.

Incognito also apparently liked to play pranks. In a segment shown on an HBO series that follows one NFL team during each preseason, Incognito figured out a teammate's iPad password. He then teased the player about a status update he made for the player and joked about the player's fiancee.

"Hard Knocks" has given audiences a look inside team dynamics, sometimes giving viewers a glimpse at life for rookies. And inevitably some of the younger players get hazed.

 

[Rockport]

After reading the Wells' report, well not all of it but a good portion since I found it interesting - (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/media/acrobat/2014-02/149251740-14072021.pdf) - I propose we sign Martin to a low money, multi-year deal (see: Selvie, G). I don't think he'd start over Free, certainly not Smith however it would more than sure up our depth at both tackle positions, and Martin may be able to takeover for Free at RT next season or the following. Anyone who reads the report will realize the exact environment Martin requires, for better or worse, we have.

Side-bonus - Jerry gets his annual "big splash" itch scratched in a beneficial move.

We need bad ***** on this team, not more candy *****.

 

[CashMan]

Initially some of his teammates did speak out for him. - -

'Teddy bear off the field'

Chris Draft played with Incognito when both were with the St. Louis Rams in 2007 and 2008. Incognito's on-field aggressive persona was nothing like his personality away from the playing field, Draft said.

"He was really kind of a big teddy bear off the field. My wife actually loved him," he said.


NFL's pecking order

Dolphins rookie Will Davis said he hasn't experienced any acts of bullying or hazing.

"I think a lot of people think of hazing as being cruel, but I don't see anything like that in this locker room," he said. "But it depends on how you take hazing. I've always thought the guys in here were great."

He said everyone on the team loves Incognito.

"I was shocked," he said.

Wide receiver Mike Wallace said there was a lot of respect for both players.

"I know both of those guys personally," he said. "I feel like they are both good guys."

Former Dolphins linebacker Channing Crowder told "Piers Morgan Live" that a locker room is often a place where players are trying to establish a pecking order.

People cannot compare it to working at a regular job, he said, because it involves physically aggressive men with big egos competing and trying to prove their manhood.

NFL players are "a bunch of testosterone-filled alpha males who are trying to find their place on the totem pole," he told Morgan.

He said when Incognito joined the team, he would test people to see where he stood with them.

"He is a guy that needs to know his place with you," Crowder said.

Incognito also apparently liked to play pranks. In a segment shown on an HBO series that follows one NFL team during each preseason, Incognito figured out a teammate's iPad password. He then teased the player about a status update he made for the player and joked about the player's fiancee.

"Hard Knocks" has given audiences a look inside team dynamics, sometimes giving viewers a glimpse at life for rookies. And inevitably some of the younger players get hazed.

Looks like a Teddy bear to me:

 

[WV Cowboy]

Looks like a Teddy bear to me:

I am not defending him. I am sure I would not like being around him.

But his teammates are not against him.

If you have issues with that, take it up with them, .. not me.

I am always more comfortable with the truth, and not opinion or agenda.

 

[Rockport]

Yeah - and all the science behind dealing with bullies suggest that macho approach doesn't really work.

But I know from various other discussions that your opinions pretty much ignore science.

It worked for me.

 

[WV Cowboy]

It worked for me.

It worked for me when I was 18, and it worked for my son when he was 12.

 

[Doomsday101]

and your kind of attitude is exactly why this kind of problem exists. Its called enabling.

lol, easy to see who has played ball and who has not. Oh the big guy is picking on me? then hit him stand up to him and guess what they will leave you alone. Bully have been around for a very long time and it is not hard to deal with a bully. I have had to and I have seen others do the same once you stand up they leave you alone. However todays thin skinned youth can't manage to do anything for themselfs they need others to fight their battles.

 

[Doomsday101]

Yeah - and all the science behind dealing with bullies suggest that macho approach doesn't really work.

But I know from various other discussions that your opinions pretty much ignore science.

yeah the science? they are the ones who got their butts kicked growing up. Many of us had to deal with it and it does work. These are the same idiots running around saying kids should be praised for what they do and don't spank them. Now we see school shooting and suicides by youth that never happened on this scale. Maybe all the so called experts do not know what they hell they are talking about.

 

[Doomsday101]

Somehow I don't think Roger Goddell is going to see things this way.................the Dolphins are going to be made an example of in the "new NFL".

There is already talk of fines, suspensions, and possible loss of draft picks...................this is an image issue at this point, cant have the average fan thinking the league is a bunch of homophobic bullies. That is not good for business.

Goodell is going to do the PR thing they don't want to be seen for what it is and the reason as you say business but does not change the lockerroom and the actions that take place.

 

[CashMan]

yeah the science? they are the ones who got their butts kicked growing up. Many of us had to deal with it and it does work. These are the same idiots running around saying kids should be praised for what they do and don't spank them. Now we see school shooting and suicides by youth that never happened on this scale. Maybe all the so called experts do not know what they hell they are talking about.

Unless you are a licensed Psychiatrist or Psychologist, I really do not think your opinion on being hard nosed to dealing with these issues, really means anything. The science, would be studying in these fields, not "growing up old school". And implying if people were more old school with children, we wouldn't have shooting in school, is mere speculation, reckless speculation IMO. You have other factors to throw into that, one main things would be information. Any idiots now can jump on the internet and read up on how to make something like a bomb. when you grew up, you probably really had to go out of your way to get that info.

 

[WV Cowboy]

But, what is louder is the fact, is that no one has spoken out for him.

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/ted-...situation-released.283173/page-4#post-5449000

 

[dstovall5]

People say he's soft, but looking at our roster ... I think he fits in well, maybe Claiborne can show him his Barbie doll collection.

You know your defense is soft when the "hardest" guy on it is the 64 year old defensive line coach, lol.

 

[Soth]

yeah the science? they are the ones who got their butts kicked growing up. Many of us had to deal with it and it does work. These are the same idiots running around saying kids should be praised for what they do and don't spank them. Now we see school shooting and suicides by youth that never happened on this scale. Maybe all the so called experts do not know what they hell they are talking about.

This is one of the most ignorant posts I have ever read on CZ. Unbelievable.

 

[theSHOW]

Sorry bullying did not just start happening it has been going on long before today, we were taught how to deal with a bully and it worked you stand up for yourself you don't stand there like some wuss and just take it. If you can't figure that out then that is your problem. I think many of today’s youth are thin skinned and I think parents over protective has caused this. So save the psych babble

 

[TwoCentPlain]

We do not need any drama. Especially form a player who wasn't even playing all that well before all this stuff was made public. I just don't think Jonathan Martin is very good.

 

[WV Cowboy]

This is one of the most ignorant posts I have ever read on CZ. Unbelievable.

Little help here please, ... I can't find the "Don't Like" button.

 

[WV Cowboy]

You know your defense is soft when the "hardest" guy on it is the 64 year old defensive line coach, lol.

LOL!

 

[burmafrd]

If he is better then what we have take a chance on Martin. But I am not sure he is. Free when he wants to is clearly better. BUT Weems and Parnell- that is another question.

 

[burmafrd]

This is one of the most ignorant posts I have ever read on CZ. Unbelievable.

consider the source

 

[Cowboy Brian]

If he is better then what we have take a chance on Martin. But I am not sure he is. Free when he wants to is clearly better. BUT Weems and Parnell- that is another question.

I think Free is surely better than Martin at this point, but Martin is clearly better than Weems and Parnell. Martin also has the physical potential to become a MUCHHH better player than Free has ever been. We have the perfect locker room and team atmosphere for him to come in, stay out of the spotlight for a year and possibly assume the starting RT job in 2015. It also gives us some insurance if we are unable to work something out with Tyron, who given his age, position, potential and production could very well be looking at a 8 year 100M+ contract.