News: Sign QB to bucks, lose top players

[Flamma]

They’re going to have to make an adjustment to the salary cap that allows teams to pay their QBs without having to dismantle their team. Franchise QBs are taking up a big percentage of the cap. The Cowboys, Packers and Kansas City had to sacrifice their best receivers because of the cap hit from their QBs.

Actually.....

Mahomes takes up 17.2% of the cap
Rodgers takes up 13.2% of the cap.
Prescott takes up 8.9% of the cap.

The percentages mentioned in the article were based off average salary. Which is not what matters. What matters is how much of the cap the QB actually takes up.

As you can see, Prescott's cap hit is ideal. The other two, not so much.

Amari Cooper, Davante Adams and Tyreek Hill were cap casualties from having to pay big money to franchise QBs. Cincinnati is going to have a problem trying to figure out how to pay Joe Burrow and Ja’Marr Chase….Good luck!

The good thing about this for teams like the Bengals and Chargers. Even if they give their QBs monster extensions after next year, it won't be until 2025 to actually see the big cap hits. For Chase, 2026.

 

[Flamma]

Not typically in first round rookies. The team has five years of control. What Zeke did was beyond the norm.

Not even close to beyond the norm. Watson, Wentz, Mahomes, Allen, Bosa, you name them, all signed after their 3rd year. They still have to play out their 2 remaining years. It doesn't change their rookie deal. It's an extension. Burrow and Herbert will be extended after next season. 100% positive.

If you're not sure about your player you wait longer.

 

[conner01]

My solution is to pay an actual top QB.

Dak is not a top QB.

You know what they say about opinions

 

[Doomsday]

They are still $20m under the CAP, more than enough to sign someone if they really wanted to.

 

[shabazz]

My solution is to pay an actual top QB.

Dak is not a top QB.

tops in the NFL Least is good enough for these fools

 

[gimmesix]

For what it is worth, Over the Cap now has us at $17.6 million. That's with Fowler and Washington both included along with the re-signings except Watkins, Sprinkle and Anger. (I believe those are the only ones missing.) It also does not include the $10 million in savings we can get if we designate Collins a June 1 cut.

 

[Diehardblues]

Here is a good article explaining what happens when you give the qb big bucks. We all already know this, so why is everyone so surprised? A couple of things are garbage in the article as it applies to Dallas, but the fallout from Rodgers and mahomes deals is evident.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/how-40...scott-are-losing-the-offseason-001036835.html

It almost would seem like with these crazy veteran QB contracts which strangle Cap space that at some point the way to build or at least continue building or retooling teams would be to continue drafting good QB’s.

In the NFL they have to continue churning rosters why not churn the QB position instead of dedicating close to a third to fourth of cap space on 1 player.

Image what you could do with 40-50 million in cap space every year as long as you consistently drafted good QB’s. Those Rookie contracts for QB is the ticket.

I think the league could collectively change these ridiculous contracts for QB if they wanted to.

 

[Slick]

GB & KC are losing players. Dallas has not lost any players.
The Cooper trade was going to happen no matter what. It was him or Gallup. Even before Dak's contract, it was one of the other. It has been discussed over and over going back ever since Cooper came here.

They aren't signing any top FA's, not because of lack of cap space nor Dak's contract. But because that is the way they always have been.
Williams and Gregory, yeah, well, 98% of the fans wanted them gone anyway.

This has not effected Dallas...yet...

But they also have much better QB's there than Dallas.

 

[Blast From The Past]

QB is the one position in the league where you really only have two viable paths at QB:

#1. Top-performing QB on a cheap/rookie contract
#2. Top-performing QB on an expensive contract based on their body of work

#1 will always become #2 and if you're lucky enough to cash in with a SB in #1, good for you. But when that becomes #2, you have less to spend as a team and need to make some more economical decisions.

The thing is all teams share in that same exact reality. But some teams find a way to get the players they covet any way. We simply do not, apparently.

 

[DandyDon52]

Rams have no draft this year. You guys would then whine about that.

not if we just won a SB !

 

[DandyDon52]

The thing is all teams share in that same exact reality. But some teams find a way to get the players they covet any way. We simply do not, apparently.

or the jones boys covet the WRONG PLAYERS !!!!!!!
and then they overpay those guys and give guarantees that prevent them being cut or traded!
Elliot should have been traded back in 17 or 18 , get rid of him and get some picks for him.
Same for dak either trade him back in 18 or get him signed to a cheaper deal.
Conner williams should have been traded, so should gallup before he was hurt.
and some others too.

 

[JustChip]

Yeah...he did great things at Miami.....lost his last game 60-7....that was downhill.

It was very shortly after that Miami began a long period of irrelevance.

 

[plasticman]

Anybody that reads my posts know that I am far from a Jones apologist. In fact, it actually pains me to say......I think the franchise is making the right moves. They are keeping the right players and trimming the fat with the right players.

I regret losing Wilson but the other guys just weren't worth their salaries. All three wanted to keep or receive elite salaries without elite productivity last season. And by not dumping it all on a single player, they are spreading it around their squads.

The fact that they are resigning many current players mean that these players have the most potential to improve. It's not simply their talent and physical ability, experience begins to play a part, especially when you combine it with familiarity. Both coordinators return.

 

[Reid1boys]

It almost would seem like with these crazy veteran QB contracts which strangle Cap space that at some point the way to build or at least continue building or retooling teams would be to continue drafting good QB’s.

In the NFL they have to continue churning rosters why not churn the QB position instead of dedicating close to a third to fourth of cap space on 1 player.

Image what you could do with 40-50 million in cap space every year as long as you consistently drafted good QB’s. Those Rookie contracts for QB is the ticket.

I think the league could collectively change these ridiculous contracts for QB if they wanted to.

There arent 20 really good qbs in the entire league. Hell, there arent 10 really good qbs in the league. If you have a top 5 guy, you are in business. If you have a 10 and below, you are way behind the 8 ball. Drafting qbs every year is gonna do what? Are you gonna play these when you draft them? We drafted Dak and if Romo didnt get hurt, he would never have seen the field in his rookie deal.

The Packers drafted Love with a 1st and he has barely sniffed the field.

Niners drafted Lance with a 1st and he wasnt ready. Now he is gonna have to be ready because the pressure to play him is simply too great.

IN addition, hitting a stud qb is almost like hitting the lottery, its mostly luck.

 

[ghst187]

These deals keep getting more and more ludicrous, if the league had a commissioner who wasn’t a complete moron and failure he could’ve gotten in front of this and taken some notes from the NBA on super max contracts and institute some sort of cap on a single player salary, which would make a lot of teams better and less improve the quality of the game…
But instead RG is more concerned with his private jet for life…

 

[Diehardblues]

There arent 20 really good qbs in the entire league. Hell, there arent 10 really good qbs in the league. If you have a top 5 guy, you are in business. If you have a 10 and below, you are way behind the 8 ball. Drafting qbs every year is gonna do what? Are you gonna play these when you draft them? We drafted Dak and if Romo didnt get hurt, he would never have seen the field in his rookie deal.

The Packers drafted Love with a 1st and he has barely sniffed the field.

Niners drafted Lance with a 1st and he wasnt ready. Now he is gonna have to be ready because the pressure to play him is simply too great.

IN addition, hitting a stud qb is almost like hitting the lottery, its mostly luck.

I mean drafting one every 3 -4 or 5 years before their Rookie contract expires. Not every year.

If you don’t have one of these Top 5 why overpay and hang on to them. Even if you do have one it straddles you in the Cap.

Most of these Top 5 caliber QB are winning championships while under Rookie contract with few exceptions.

 

[Reid1boys]

I mean drafting one every 3 -4 or 5 years before their Rookie contract expires. Not every year.

If you don’t have one of these Top 5 why overpay and hang on to them. Even if you do have one it straddles you in the Cap.

Most of these Top 5 caliber QB are winning championships while under Rookie contract with few exceptions.

Go look at last 10 SB winning teams, MAYBE two had QBs under rookie deals. The Chiefs and Eagles, even though it was the backup who won it. Keep going back to previous 16 and still same 2 on rookie deals.

Rookie deals sound great, but that also means you have very young QBs. Did Brees, Manning, Manning all win under rookie deals? Its not about the rookie deal, its about having the great QB. If you strike gold under a rookie deal, great... but75% of the league will still be playing a QB out of the top 10 under a rookie deal... which is not a good recipe for success.

 

[BoyzBlaster]

GB & KC are losing players. Dallas has not lost any players.
The Cooper trade was going to happen no matter what. It was him or Gallup. Even before Dak's contract, it was one of the other. It has been discussed over and over going back ever since Cooper came here.

They aren't signing any top FA's, not because of lack of cap space nor Dak's contract. But because that is the way they always have been.
Williams and Gregory, yeah, well, 98% of the fans wanted them gone anyway.

This has not effected Dallas...yet...

LOL "Dallas has not lost any players" and in your next sentence you talk about the WR they lost.

 

[RomoplusDezEquals7]

Which will be restructered again and again.

The cap is going thru the roof the next couple of years too.

Sorry, he has absolutely played up to his contract, you are just jaded.

His recent performances don't support what you are saying, they do support what I'm saying. So maybe you're jaded .

And if they keep restructuring they will eventually have to pay and it just makes that cap hit keep going up. It's like if I keep refinancing my credit card debt and saying well I'll never have to pay it, nope sorry you will.

 

[BoyzBlaster]

Wouldn’t you rather have malik Willis this year

Willis is going to be a bust. The guy is beyond raw as a passer.