Skins Fans starting to see the light: Romo vs JC

[tunahelper]

All roads lead to ROMO!

 

[CowboyWay]

Jason Campbell is a bum. I don't see what anyone see's in this kid. He's wasting time and money in this league. I'm not saying this to be a hater. But look at the kid. He has one of the better Offensive line's in football, a great running game, a great Tight End, and One very good reciever in Moss. And what has the guy done? NOTHING.

Let me let you in on a little secret. If you can't throw a 10 yard pass accurately in this league, you won't be playing long. Simple as that. He has been given the tools to succeed, but has yet to have a real good game. Even his BEST game can only be compared to a average or below average game for Romo.
Put it to you this way........The last 5 games of last year for Romo, he had a 77% rating? JC's best 5 games weren't even at 75%. The media BLASTS Romo because of those 5 games. But the idiots at ES talk about how much improvement they see from him? WHERE?????

All summer long all we heard was how hard JC has been working and how it will pay off. Yeah, it paid off witha 54 rating (Shoulda been a 37 rating had it not been for the hail mary at the end of the game), and 2 INT's.

This kid is Quincy Carter without the drug habit reincarnate. No doubt about it. And the skins overdrafted him too. Nobody had that kid going in the 1st round, NOBODY.

I love to see Tr1 and Bubba spin how good JC is. Love it. makes em look like fools even in thier own fans eyes. Classic.

You can pour sugar over a big pile of poo, but in the end, you're still left with a big pile of poo. JC might be a decent backup qb in this league, but nothing more.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

i hadnt heard that. as far as i know, they like him. campbell may not like moss after his drops sunday though....

with lito out for next monday and the giants after that, campbell should put up better #'s. he should connect of a few pretty deep balls.

Trust me... we have gone through it here in Dallas.... a couple of more passes like the one's he throws and it will be more evident.

 

[DallasInDC]

I think some of you are being too rough on campbell. He is obviously not at Romo's level now but I can see why Skin fans are excited about his future. I like his composure and he is a big guy in that pocket. Accuracy is spotty but I think the Skins won't ask him to carry them this year and try to limit his mistakes. They will rely heavily on the running game and hope the defense is more like '05 rather than '06. They will ask Campbell to make big plays down the field after softening the defense up with the run game. He needs to play better then he did against the Dolphins though. I expect he will have some very good games and some poor games but won't be asked to carry the team early on his career.

He does show some nice potential long term though. Who knows with QBs' though. It is a crapshoot.

I don't diagree with where JC is in his development. I don't think he will become a franchise QB but will most likely be an avg to above avg QB.

What I find hilarious is how the skins fans can can downplay Romo's performance and question if he is a franchise type QB after the types of numbers he has put up thus far in his career and then make a ton of excuses for why JC is not that good.

The first ES post in this thread sums it up in that Romo has proven that he can play very well at this level and has put up probowl type stats in 7 of his 11 games played (109+ rating in those games). While the best JC has been able to accomplish is average at best.

 

[Doomsday101]

Campbell has only started 8 games, I think it is a bit early to know what he will or will not do.

 

[silverbear]

lmao...after watching Campbell for an entire 60 minutes, he needs all the excuses he can get. That boy is not any good.

I think he could be OK, in the right situation, but the Skins are not the right situation... he needs a pass-blocking offensive line and a decent receiver corps, especially a receiver corps that can stretch the field... in that situation, he can throw the ball downfield, which is what his game is... he's simply not suited for a short passing offense, and he never will be...

In addition, he IS a slow study, so you need to give him a couple-three years until the reads and progressions are second nature to him, and he can stop gettin' in his own way by thinking... once he's got the hang of that system, then he can go out and play ball...

If the Faiders ever went out and got themselves a quality offensive line, that offense would be PERFECT for a Jason Campbell...

He's not nearly as good as Skins fans keep telling themselves he is, but I honestly don't believe he's as bad as his numbers look right now... as I said late last season, the Skins need to take the wraps off of him and allow him to make the "rookie" mistakes that young QBs almost always make in the NFL... it's part the Education of a Quarterback, to rip off the title of Sam Snead's autobiography, "Education Of a Golfer"... you live through those growing pains for the potential reward once your QB has gotten past them...

 

[CowboyWay]

What I find hilarious is how the skins fans can can downplay Romo's performance and question if he is a franchise type QB after the types of numbers he has put up thus far in his career and then make a ton of excuses for why JC is not that good.

Dude...........if JC had just one single game like Romo has had 7-8, they would be having a damn parade down Pennsylvania avenue. They'd have to evacuate the president cause the masses would be rioting in the streets. They would proclaim that day "Jason Campbell day" in DC.

But the fact of the matter is the kid flat out sucks. I've watched him ALOT, trust me on this one. The kid doesn't have it. And he will NEVER have it. He simply isn't accurate enough to play in this league. And he is VERY inconsistant.

Dumb as a bag full of hair too.

 

[firehawk350]

Wow, overreactions abound after one week. Campbell should have played better, no doubt about it. He overthrew some balls, but he didn't play nearly as bad as the stat line says. That ball to Brandon Lloyd was one any QB would throw. Single coverage on a jump ball (supposedly something Lloyd is good at), you can't say that Manning wouldn't have thrown it or Romo or Brees. Lloyd gave up on it, and I hate to say, I was wrong about him two years ago. He just sucks. He's like Burress minus the production.

The Cooley pass was unforgiveable though, Cooley was blanketed double coverage all day long. The Moss pass was horribly overthrown, but that's one pass and he was accurate in college, so maybe it's just jitters. I don't know.

Brees had a much worse day against a much worse D, Rivers had a bad day against Chi-town. But nobody is going to say, oh, they suck.

Likewise, Romo I don't think played up to his stat line. He had a good game, no doubt, but the Giants were just horrendous. He had a bunch of miscues and/or inaccurate balls, and a lot of TDs came from plays where the Giants just seemed outta position or took horrible angles. Something you wouldn't get from a top-flight D with the consistency that you saw in the Giants D.

Now, let me end this with I'm not saying Romo isn't good or Campbell is better. All I'm saying is one game, against completely opposite spectrum defenses, doesn't make or break either young QB.

 

[1fisher]

Wow, overreactions abound after one week. Campbell should have played better, no doubt about it. He overthrew some balls, but he didn't play nearly as bad as the stat line says. That ball to Brandon Lloyd was one any QB would throw. Single coverage on a jump ball (supposedly something Lloyd is good at), you can't say that Manning wouldn't have thrown it or Romo or Brees. Lloyd gave up on it, and I hate to say, I was wrong about him two years ago. He just sucks. He's like Burress minus the production.

The Cooley pass was unforgiveable though, Cooley was blanketed double coverage all day long. The Moss pass was horribly overthrown, but that's one pass and he was accurate in college, so maybe it's just jitters. I don't know.

Brees had a much worse day against a much worse D, Rivers had a bad day against Chi-town. But nobody is going to say, oh, they suck.

Likewise, Romo I don't think played up to his stat line. He had a good game, no doubt, but the Giants were just horrendous. He had a bunch of miscues and/or inaccurate balls, and a lot of TDs came from plays where the Giants just seemed outta position or took horrible angles. Something you wouldn't get from a top-flight D with the consistency that you saw in the Giants D.

Now, let me end this with I'm not saying Romo isn't good or Campbell is better. All I'm saying is one game, against completely opposite spectrum defenses, doesn't make or break either young QB.

well, why didn't you just say this part and leave the rest out????

 

[SultanOfSix]

Now, let me end this with I'm not saying Romo isn't good or Campbell is better. All I'm saying is one game, against completely opposite spectrum defenses, doesn't make or break either young QB.

So, what you're saying is Romo played good because the Giants D sucked.

Whereas Campbell played not so good because the Miami defense is great.

Yeah, no homer logic there. One game a season doesn't make, but you're about as objective as...well...a 'Skins fan.

 

[tomson75]

I love how firesquawk bases his argument on the fact that it's too early to judge these guys...and yet does so by judging the two defenses after the same amount of time. Good work.

 

[kmd24]

he was accurate in college

Not so much. His stats were inflated by lots of screens and swing passes to Ronnie Brown.

Brees had a much worse day against a much worse D, Rivers had a bad day against Chi-town. But nobody is going to say, oh, they suck.

The difference is that Brees and Rivers have done it before. JC has yet to have his signature game, or even play at a high level consistently (hard to with fewer than 10 games under your belt).

If you want to compare JC to Brees, he's probably closer (in perception if not play) to Brees circa 2003, when the Chargers thought they might have something but still drafted Rivers anyway because every Brees miscue made them think that he wasn't the answer.

 

[AsthmaField]

It is really funny how all summer long the Skins fans have said how much better Campbell is than Romo. It's clear to anyone who has eyes that Romo is in a complete different catagory than Campbell.

All the skin fans want to talk about how much younger Campbell is than Tony... but if you look at their date of birth on NFL.com... Romo is only 1 year older than Jason. :laugh1:

Campbells wind-up and inaccuracy is going to ruin his career, IMO.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

From what I saw the Commanders coaching staff still has the training wheels on for Campbell. For starters, they cut down a lot of their pre-snap motion which is a staple of the Al Saunders offense (although I got a great laugh at Gibbs getting irate over an illegal motion call that was so blatantly a fundamental illegal motion I can't believe Gibbs thought it wasn't). But the big thing that got me was they were very run heavy on first and second down and if they threw it on first down they always ran it on second down. They simply did not want to leave Campbell with say a 3rd and 10 at any costs. Campbell throws a good deep ball and can make some plays with his feet, but his accuracy on short and intermediate throws may define his career.



YAKUZA

 

[firehawk350]

I don't think it's unfair to say a defense that has been very good/excellent for the past couple of years will continue to be good or excellent whereas a defense that has struggled the past couple of years, with no major acquisitions and some loses, will continue to struggle.

Nobody will be surprised if Peyton continues to put up big numbers because guess what, he has for many years now. Likewise, nobody is going to be surprised if Charlie Frye continues to suck. He has for years now.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

It is really funny how all summer long the Skins fans have said how much better Campbell is than Romo. It's clear to anyone who has eyes that Romo is in a complete different catagory than Campbell.

All the skin fans want to talk about how much younger Campbell is than Tony... but if you look at their date of birth on NFL.com... Romo is only 1 year older than Jason. :laugh1:

Campbells wind-up and inaccuracy is going to ruin his career, IMO.

Well the dumbest thing you'll hear is the deduction from Skins fans that Campbell is better than Romo because Campbell was a first round pick and Romo wasn't drafted. You'd think from past experience with Heath Shuler they should know that where a player is drafted almost means nothing in projecting their career.




YAKUZA

 

[Idgit]

Wow, overreactions abound after one week. Campbell should have played better, no doubt about it. He overthrew some balls, but he didn't play nearly as bad as the stat line says. That ball to Brandon Lloyd was one any QB would throw. Single coverage on a jump ball (supposedly something Lloyd is good at), you can't say that Manning wouldn't have thrown it or Romo or Brees. Lloyd gave up on it, and I hate to say, I was wrong about him two years ago. He just sucks. He's like Burress minus the production.

The Cooley pass was unforgiveable though, Cooley was blanketed double coverage all day long. The Moss pass was horribly overthrown, but that's one pass and he was accurate in college, so maybe it's just jitters. I don't know.

Brees had a much worse day against a much worse D, Rivers had a bad day against Chi-town. But nobody is going to say, oh, they suck.

Likewise, Romo I don't think played up to his stat line. He had a good game, no doubt, but the Giants were just horrendous. He had a bunch of miscues and/or inaccurate balls, and a lot of TDs came from plays where the Giants just seemed outta position or took horrible angles. Something you wouldn't get from a top-flight D with the consistency that you saw in the Giants D.

Now, let me end this with I'm not saying Romo isn't good or Campbell is better. All I'm saying is one game, against completely opposite spectrum defenses, doesn't make or break either young QB.

The Lloyd pass was a bad throw. Just b/c your WR also stinks, doesn't mean the QB isn't responsible for making good decisions. Campbell still kills drives by missing open receivers on short passes. He's not accurate enough to play well at this level. It's getting to the point where 3 and 5 looks like a pretty good down to run the ball. Will he get more accurate with time? Unlikely. But it will sure be fun watching him try.

If you're *really* wondering why people are not saying that Brees and Rivers suck after this week's game, it's because they have already proven that they don't.

If the Skins were my team, I'd be a loser. I'd also be hoping they'd get a jump on the offseason and take a look at Leftwich as long-term competition for Campbell right now.

 

[firehawk350]

Not so much. His stats were inflated by lots of screens and swing passes to Ronnie Brown.

On that same vein then, you could say that his stats were skewed by uncharacteristic drops by Moss. Also, by Lloyd giving up on his route. It's hard to say right now honestly.

The difference is that Brees and Rivers have done it before. JC has yet to have his signature game, or even play at a high level consistently (hard to with fewer than 10 games under your belt).

If you want to compare JC to Brees, he's probably closer (in perception if not play) to Brees circa 2003, when the Chargers thought they might have something but still drafted Rivers anyway because every Brees miscue made them think that he wasn't the answer.

That's fair, I'm just saying that it's a bit early to say that Romo is a top flight QB and Campbell is crap.

 

[Idgit]

Well the dumbest thing you'll hear is the deduction from Skins fans that Campbell is better than Romo because Campbell was a first round pick and Romo wasn't drafted. You'd think from past experience with Heath Shuler they should know that where a player is drafted almost means nothing in projecting their career.




YAKUZA

That's dumb, but I have to say it's dumber in my book to compare Campbell's production favorably to Romo's, which they do with a straight face and some regularity.

 

[firehawk350]

The Lloyd pass wasn't a bad throw. You gotta expect, with Lloyd's positioning, that he at least doesn't give up the INT. He should have come down with it. But whatever.

JC wasn't accurate this game, but he showed a lot of accuracy in the preseason, so we'll see if he can calm down and bring those balls down a bit. The direction was there, but he was just rifling them too much, the tell-tale sign of the jitters.

But yeah, I know why people aren't saying Rivers and Brees sucks, I just used it for a comparison as to why we shouldn't jump the gun.