Skins Fans starting to see the light: Romo vs JC

[tomson75]

On that same vein then, you could say that his stats were skewed by uncharacteristic drops by Moss. Also, by Lloyd giving up on his route. It's hard to say right now honestly.

Moss dropped those balls for a reason. One in particular was thrown way off target...back and to the left. I'm not making excuses for Moss not catching some of those passes, but they weren't exactly on the numbers. Niether player was doing the other any favors.

That's fair, I'm just saying that it's a bit early to say that Romo is a top flight QB and Campbell is crap.

It's not too early to say that thus far, Tony Romo is a top flight QB and Campbell is crap. Just saying.

 

[Vintage]

So Romo gaffed on an XP hold (and the ball being slick doesn't matter; he screwed up)...its better than screwing up as a QB.

Question is; what does (the XP hold) that have to do with QB'ing? We can remove him from being a holder (which he did).

Can you remove Campbell's bad QB skills from him? Our situation was easy to fix. Name Brad Johnson the holder.

Good luck with yours.

(And yes, its too early to make concrete decisions on Campbell, but I am just noting general opinions to date)

 

[Vintage]

The Lloyd pass wasn't a bad throw. You gotta expect, with Lloyd's positioning, that he at least doesn't give up the INT. He should have come down with it. But whatever.

JC wasn't accurate this game, but he showed a lot of accuracy in the preseason, so we'll see if he can calm down and bring those balls down a bit. The direction was there, but he was just rifling them too much, the tell-tale sign of the jitters.

But yeah, I know why people aren't saying Rivers and Brees sucks, I just used it for a comparison as to why we shouldn't jump the gun.

Bledsoe looked good in preseason play last year too; we saw how that fared.

OTOH, Romo looked good in preseason play last year too; and that did turn out.

 

[riggo]

Not so much. His stats were inflated by lots of screens and swing passes to Ronnie Brown.

campbell completed 25 passes to brown his senior year.

 

[kmd24]

On that same vein then, you could say that his stats were skewed by uncharacteristic drops by Moss. Also, by Lloyd giving up on his route. It's hard to say right now honestly.

What does that have to do with him being accurate in college? I watched every televised AU game during Campbell's tenure there, and I can tell you that accuracy in the short to intermediate range was not his forte. He did throw down the field very well, and he had good escapability.

I'm just saying that it's a bit early to say that Romo is a top flight QB and Campbell is crap.

Maybe, but if you had to go based on all available evidence to date, I think you'd be forced to draw that conclusion. As it is, Romo would have to drop off considerably and Campbell would have to improve a fair bit to think otherwise.

FWIW, I don't think Campbell is crap (your word), but he doesn't look like a player worthy of a trade up and a first round pick. The fact that he was still sitting there despite the Skins' basically announcing their intentions several days before the draft speaks volumes...

 

[riggo]

Moss dropped those balls for a reason. One in particular was thrown way off target...back and to the left. I'm not making excuses for Moss not catching some of those passes, but they weren't exactly on the numbers. Niether player was doing the other any favors.

there was one pass to moss that was way behind him. but i think moss dropped 2 that were on the money.

It's not too early to say that thus far, Tony Romo is a top flight QB and Campbell is crap. Just saying.

 

[firehawk350]

Moss dropped those balls for a reason. One in particular was thrown way off target...back and to the left. I'm not making excuses for Moss not catching some of those passes, but they weren't exactly on the numbers. Niether player was doing the other any favors.



It's not too early to say that thus far, Tony Romo is a top flight QB and Campbell is crap. Just saying.

That's fair enough, Campbell played like crap. He had some good plays but overall, he needed to tighten up and make the easy pass. I refuse to blame him on the Lloyd pass though, Lloyd just didn't want it.

And your thinking of the Randle El pass, where he jumped and did some wierd air acrobatics and almost came down with the ball. Moss had two passes hit him in the hands, in a relatively easy position to catch and just dropped it.

I think your forgetting that Romo has made plenty of mistakes behind center. he's FAR from a complete QB. If he was so great, why wait on the contract extension???

 

[firehawk350]

Bledsoe looked good in preseason play last year too; we saw how that fared.

OTOH, Romo looked good in preseason play last year too; and that did turn out.

Manning was accurate in preseason, and he looked good so far. Bledsoe doesn't really hold up in the comparison because he was already a known quantity. Pressure him and he'll make bad throws. Teams didn't necessarily pressure him in the preseason because they had other agendas (such as evaluation).

Campbell started slow in the preseason too, he starts slow in the season. He overthrew balls in the first game in the preseason, he overthrew balls in the first game of the season. He got better and better as he calmed down under center. Will he get better as he calms down under center in the season??? The answer will come in the next two weeks.

 

[Vintage]

That's fair enough, Campbell played like crap. He had some good plays but overall, he needed to tighten up and make the easy pass. I refuse to blame him on the Lloyd pass though, Lloyd just didn't want it.

And your thinking of the Randle El pass, where he jumped and did some wierd air acrobatics and almost came down with the ball. Moss had two passes hit him in the hands, in a relatively easy position to catch and just dropped it.

I think your forgetting that Romo has made plenty of mistakes behind center. he's FAR from a complete QB. If he was so great, why wait on the contract extension???

Romo has made mistakes; sure.

But Romo offsets for them pretty good, usually. Take the other night for example. The INT. He offset that with 4 TDs passing and one rushing.

Ill gladly trade an INT for 5 TDs from my QB. Of course, not every game has been like that (Saints, for example).

But he has shown plenty of good.

Has Campbell?

As for the extension; I understand why we are waiting. I do think Jones believes we have a good QB. The remaining questions is "how good?" And then, how much do we pay him based off of his talent level.

Through 11 games, he has been very good.

We want to make sure he continues that pace before we hand over a deal that is going to be a pretty good chunk of change.

There's a difference between that and what Campbell has shown thus far.

Both need to continue to improve; but at least in Romo's case, he has been playing at a pretty good clip thus far into his career as a starter.

Try spinning that.

 

[BruceWayne]

Are you sure you were at ES

 

[firehawk350]

What does that have to do with him being accurate in college? I watched every televised AU game during Campbell's tenure there, and I can tell you that accuracy in the short to intermediate range was not his forte. He did throw down the field very well, and he had good escapability.



Maybe, but if you had to go based on all available evidence to date, I think you'd be forced to draw that conclusion. As it is, Romo would have to drop off considerably and Campbell would have to improve a fair bit to think otherwise.

FWIW, I don't think Campbell is crap (your word), but he doesn't look like a player worthy of a trade up and a first round pick. The fact that he was still sitting there despite the Skins' basically announcing their intentions several days before the draft speaks volumes...

It might not ever be... It just depends on what we want Campbell to do.

Your right though, if you had to say, right this second, who do you want as a QB, you'd be an idiot to say Campbell. If you were to say, at midpoint last year, who would you want to QB your team, somewhere high on the list was Rex Grossman. The fastest guys outta the gates doesn't win the marathon though.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

That's fair, I'm just saying that it's a bit early to say that Romo is a top flight QB and Campbell is crap.

Actually.... I thought about it... you right... PLEASE keep Campbell as your QB :laugh2: Please!

 

[tomson75]

And your thinking of the Randle El pass, where he jumped and did some wierd air acrobatics and almost came down with the ball. Moss had two passes hit him in the hands, in a relatively easy position to catch and just dropped it.

Actually, I'm not thinking of that play. Tell you what though, if ARE had managed to catch that...wow. That would have been one hell of a catch.

I think your forgetting that Romo has made plenty of mistakes behind center. he's FAR from a complete QB. If he was so great, why wait on the contract extension???

I'm not forgetting anything. I'm well aware of Romo's mistakes. Hell, I'm not completely sold on him just yet. I hope we hold off for a few more weeks. I could see him going either way...but I'm pretty sure which way he's really going.

However, to say he's FAR from a complete QB is absurd. He's close, and that scares you...it's OK to admit it.

 

[Doomsday101]

Romo has made mistakes; sure.

But Romo offsets for them pretty good, usually. Take the other night for example. The INT. He offset that with 4 TDs passing and one rushing.

Ill gladly trade an INT for 5 TDs from my QB. Of course, not every game has been like that (Saints, for example).

But he has shown plenty of good.

Has Campbell?

As for the extension; I understand why we are waiting. I do think Jones believes we have a good QB. The remaining questions is "how good?" And then, how much do we pay him based off of his talent level.

Through 11 games, he has been very good.

We want to make sure he continues that pace before we hand over a deal that is going to be a pretty good chunk of change.

There's a difference between that and what Campbell has shown thus far.

Both need to continue to improve; but at least in Romo's case, he has been playing at a pretty good clip thus far into his career as a starter.

Try spinning that.

I agree. I have no doubts about Romo and his ability to play this game at a high level. Will he make mistakes of course he will and so has every QB who has played this game even the all time great QB's have made mistakes. Romo in my opinion shows the skills and the leadership ability to make me think he will have a very good career.

 

[kmd24]

campbell completed 25 passes to brown his senior year.

It looks to me like all of Brown's 34 receptions in 2004 came from Campbell. JC also completed another 20 to Carnell Williams. That's 54 of 188 (29%).

Anyway, I watched most of the games, so I feel like I know what I am talking about.

 

[firehawk350]

Romo has made mistakes; sure.

But Romo offsets for them pretty good, usually. Take the other night for example. The INT. He offset that with 4 TDs passing and one rushing.

Ill gladly trade an INT for 5 TDs from my QB. Of course, not every game has been like that (Saints, for example).

But he has shown plenty of good.

I agree, he has shown plenty of good. That's why he's under center. Somebody with his pedigree doesn't get as many chances as somebody with Campbells, and that's the reason why both guys are still there.

Has Campbell?

You'd be a fool to say Campbell hasn't shown anything. He's had some good, just like he's had some bad.

As for the extension; I understand why we are waiting. I do think Jones believes we have a good QB. The remaining questions is "how good?" And then, how much do we pay him based off of his talent level.

Through 11 games, he has been very good.

We want to make sure he continues that pace before we hand over a deal that is going to be a pretty good chunk of change.

There's a difference between that and what Campbell has shown thus far.

Yes, I think Jones believes you have a good QB. But I'm sure Jerry isn't holding out on the extension because he wants to give Romo his fair market value. If you could buy a Ferrari for $30000, I'm sure you won't offer the guy $210000 just because you want to be fair. He's waiting because he wants to make sure that he's not just another one-hit wonder as it were.

Both need to continue to improve; but at least in Romo's case, he has been playing at a pretty good clip thus far into his career as a starter.

Try spinning that.

I don't know what your talking about spinning. I don't think Romo needs to continue to improve, I think he just needs to show consistency. If he can play at a level that's somewhere between his highs and lows as opposed to throwing 5 TDs one game and then completely imploding the next. Sure, his average still looks good, but you can't win a superbowl like that.

Campbell is the exact opposite. He seems to start slow but then pick up his play as he gets more reps. He did in his starts last season, he did in the preseason and he's showing the same pattern this season so far.

 

[firehawk350]

Actually, I'm not thinking of that play. Tell you what though, if ARE had managed to catch that...wow. That would have been one hell of a catch.



I'm not forgetting anything. I'm well aware of Romo's mistakes. Hell, I'm not completely sold on him just yet. I hope we hold off for a few more weeks. I could see him going either way...but I'm pretty sure which way he's really going.

However, to say he's FAR from a complete QB is absurd. He's close, and that scares you...it's OK to admit it.

If he can consistently put up good numbers (as opposed to great then horrid numbers), then he'd scare me. But, as of right now, you just don't know which Romo your going to get game to game.

 

[kmd24]

firehawk, you got your quotes messed up in that last post.

 

[Doomsday101]

If he can consistently put up good numbers (as opposed to great then horrid numbers), then he'd scare me. But, as of right now, you just don't know which Romo your going to get game to game.

Even in Romo bad games he gets the team in a position to win.

 

[dboyz]

If he can consistently put up good numbers (as opposed to great then horrid numbers), then he'd scare me. But, as of right now, you just don't know which Romo your going to get game to game.

This is pretty silly. Take the average of Romo's five worst games and it is probably the same or better than the average of Campbell's five best games.

Romo has never put up horrid numbers. Has he had lesser games. Absolutely as all qb's do.

We know which Romo we're going to get. He had a qb rating of 95 last year after playing in ten starts.