Skins Want Gruden/Cowboys Interested In Holmgren??

[Doomsday101]

You're right. It has to be Jerry's choice. He made that choice to a large degree when he opted to hire Parcells. But that's the only time since Jimmy left Jerry willingly gave up considerable control to the HC.

In order for us to improve again, he'll need to do it again.

Jerry did not give up any control when Parcells was here. He had the final say on the draft and FA and he was on the sideline. He owns the team the employee does not tell the boss what he will do or so call put him in his place.

 

[InmanRoshi]

I'm hoping the Commanders get Cowher, as I think he's vastly overrated. I would much rather have Holmgren than Cowher. Cowher just merely stuck around long enough until he won one (it just took him a mere 15 years) and then went out on top while his stock was at an all time high. And I think Tomlin has shown that team had more to do with the organization than brillant coaching. Also, does Cowher have a signature aspect to his coaching style other than acting like a cheerleader on the sidelines and making cool faces? He doesn't know jack about offense, and I guess it's easy to look like a defensive genius when Dick LeBeau is coaching your defensive unit for you.

 

[KingintheNorth]

Do you really think Jerry is going to listen to someone politely asking him to stay up stairs???? If you even have to think about that you do not know Jerry.

I really don't understand the obsession with these four or five coaches. Sexy names, but big question marks on the resume not to mention I believe all of them have self retired at some point (maybe one in there that didnt) so its a Parcells-esk situation for all, they'll come back, but they are all older and you never know how long they will stay around.

This team needs a young guy that can be given the reigns as HC (as much as a coach will ever get that here) and be put in charge with no ending point. Anything else is going to lead to more of the same.

I would love a young guy to come in and motivate these guys like McDaniels or Singletary. Problem is any young coach is going to have to accept the meddling of our owner. My hope, heck my dream is that someone like Cowher would have enough heart and clout to tell Jerry to back the heck up and let the Coach do the job he was hired to do.

 

[DallasGirl50]

I try to keep my thoughts simple...

Simply put ANYBODY is better than Wade. So I don't really mind who Jerry hires.

 

[ArmyCowboy]

I thought this 1992 photo was interesting. Holmgren's first staff included five future head coaches -- Gruden, Reid, Mariucci, Jauron and Rhodes.

They look like some sort of men's choir. :laugh2:

WOW, so Reid didn't swallow the hippo until he got to Philly.

 

[utrunner07]

I would love a young guy to come in and motivate these guys like McDaniels or Singletary. Problem is any young coach is going to have to accept the meddling of our owner. My hope, heck my dream is that someone like Cowher would have enough heart and clout to tell Jerry to back the heck up and let the Coach do the job he was hired to do.

There is a much, much, much, infinitely much, better chance of getting a young guy to come in and accept the meddling owner than having someone like Cowher tell Jerry to back up. 1) Jerry just flat out won't hire that guy unless HE decides he won't meddle, 2) if some coach told Jerry to butt out he would be shown the door or laughed at.

 

[wileedog]

I agree with some of the other posters that these veteran coaches can lose their edge later in the careers. They're like anyone else ... you can't keep that pace forever.

My concern with getting a young assistant type is that he won't have the skins on the wall to challenge Jerry.

If Mike Holmgren tells Jerry trading for Roy Williams is a bad idea he may listen.

If Mike Nolan does it'll be "Whatever kid"

Everyone wanting a Josh McDaniels type to come in here and stamp his identity on this team is kidding themselves - Pat Bowlen is not Jerry Jones.

Do you think Jerry would let someone come in here and shove Romo out the door?

 

[DallasKnight]

Put Jerry Jones the owner of the team in his place? :laugh2: Jerry does the hiring and the firing period you got to be kidding to think someone he hires is going to put him in his place?

That was kinda my point Dooms. But until Jerry quits meddling, it doesn't matter who we bring in.

I think that the 3 in my post, Cowher, Gruden, and Shanahan are the 3 most likely to try. Anyone else is just a puppet again. Might as well bring back Campo, or Wade as hire anyone else.

 

[Bach]

Jerry did not give up any control when Parcells was here. He had the final say on the draft and FA and he was on the sideline. He owns the team the employee does not tell the boss what he will do or so call put him in his place.

You're delusional if you don't think Parcells had far more control than Switzer, Gailey or Campo before him.
And Jerry's always had the "final say". But having the final say and initiating the decision are 2 different things. You ever have a boss that would give you a project, you do all the work, he'd sign off on it and then take credit for it? That's basically what Jerry did when Jimmy was here. He had the final say so he could garner some of the credit. But we all say what happened once Jerry was chief decision-maker after Jimmy left and before Parcells arrived.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I take Holmgren as HC and Shanny as the OC. The question would be the DC.

 

[Kaika]

As long as JJ has his hands on attitude it will be hard to get a quality coach.
We need one with back bone to stand up to JJ ,but once he does, he'll be gone.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

If Dallas has a coaching change Holmgren would not be a big shocker. He has a very good relationship with Jerry already.

Is this a good thing?
I dont believe so.

You were the only one, beecause no one in Denver believe it, no one here, nor anyone on ESPN.....

I am not the only one. Certainly not on here. There were plenty that didnt slam him prematurely. They may not have said anything but I bet alot of people on here saw it as good thing... the way he was handling the situation.
Cutler was being a baby and Brandon was an inmate looking to run the asylum along with Cutler.

Anyways.... #1 - its common knowledge that you dont let the inmates run the asylum. ESPECIALLY when you are INCOMING.

#2 - something I learned from father about running a business. You are the Captain of the ship, if you lose a deck hand, you get another and dont miss a beat. There is only ONE captain of the ship. It worked for him very well and its working pretty good for myself.

Understand?

 

[Doomsday101]

You're delusional if you don't think Parcells had far more control than Switzer, Gailey or Campo before him.
And Jerry's always had the "final say". But having the final say and initiating the decision are 2 different things. You ever have a boss that would give you a project, you do all the work, he'd sign off on it and then take credit for it? That's basically what Jerry did when Jimmy was here. He had the final say so he could garner some of the credit. But we all say what happened once Jerry was chief decision-maker after Jimmy left and before Parcells arrived.

And you’re crazy if you think Jerry gave up anything. Jerry over ruled BP at time in the draft siding with the scouts when we took Ware with a high 1st instead of Spears who BP was looking at in the end we got both and Jerry brought in TO I highly doubt that BP brought in TO. Jerry was very involved when BP was here if you don't believe that then that is on you. If it makes you feel better to think any time we have had some success Jerry was not involved and only when thing have gone bad is when Jerry is involved be my guest but the only delusional one is yourself

 

[Chief]

My concern with getting a young assistant type is that he won't have the skins on the wall to challenge Jerry.

If Mike Holmgren tells Jerry trading for Roy Williams is a bad idea he may listen.

If Mike Nolan does it'll be "Whatever kid"

Everyone wanting a Josh McDaniels type to come in here and stamp his identity on this team is kidding themselves - Pat Bowlen is not Jerry Jones.

Do you think Jerry would let someone come in here and shove Romo out the door?

All good points.

I think Holmgren could be a solid choice. He is a smart guy, a proven winner and someone Jerry might yield to in certain situations. Supposedly, they get along well.

I would just hope Holmgren has some gas left. Like I said, earlier, he seemed to coast the last year or two in Seattle.

If Garrett isn't promoted (I still think he's the front-runner at this point ... 3 months out), then I think Holmgren is probably Jerry's top choice.

 

[Alexander]

Jerry did not give up any control when Parcells was here. He had the final say on the draft and FA and he was on the sideline. He owns the team the employee does not tell the boss what he will do or so call put him in his place.

So why was Jones relived to no longer have to "walk on eggshells"?

No, he did not hand over the GM title to Coach Parcells.

But he did listen and even defer to his judgment. He did allow him to coach the team (or at least carry out the illusion). He did allow it to be "his way" or there's the door for the most part, with a few key exceptions. So in a manner of speaking, he lighted up on the choke collar a little bit. Right now, he barely allows Phillips out of his cage. There is no mistaking who the boss is right now. The players don't respect the head coach for what his title should be because he's been figuratively castrated.

That is about the most he will ever do and it is what we need to happen again.

 

[Doomsday101]

Is this a good thing?
I dont believe so.





I am not the only one. Certainly not on here. There were plenty that didnt slam him prematurely. They may not have said anything but I bet alot of people on here saw it as good thing... the way he was handling the situation.
Cutler was being a baby and Brandon was an inmate looking to run the asylum along with Cutler.

Anyways.... #1 - its common knowledge that you dont let the inmates run the asylum. ESPECIALLY when you are INCOMING.

#2 - something I learned from father about running a business. You are the Captain of the ship, if you lose a deck hand, you get another and dont miss a beat. There is only ONE captain of the ship. It worked for him very well and its working pretty good for myself.

Understand?

I think it is a good thing. Easier to sell your ideals to someone when you have a good relationship. It makes working together easier as well.

 

[wileedog]

I would just hope Holmgren has some gas left. Like I said, earlier, he seemed to coast the last year or two in Seattle.

Also valid. The real downside of Jerry is that if we get what the team needs, its probably a 3-4 year plan tops.

That said, if Holmgren can build a decent staff here then maybe there can be some actual continuity when he does hang em up as he can pass the whistle down. Assuming Jerry doesn't hire all of his Assistants first.

And I do like the WCO for Romo, I have to admit.

 

[Doomsday101]

So why was Jones relived to no longer have to "walk on eggshells"?

No, he did not hand over the GM title to Coach Parcells.

But he did listen and even defer to his judgment. He did allow him to coach the team (or at least carry out the illusion). He did allow it to be "his way" or there's the door for the most part, with a few key exceptions. So in a manner of speaking, he lighted up on the choke collar a little bit. Right now, he barely allows Phillips out of his cage. There is no mistaking who the boss is right now. The players don't respect the head coach for what his title should be because he's been figuratively castrated.

That is about the most he will ever do and it is what we need to happen again.

And Jerry listens to those around him today and yes I would include phillips in that. Sorry because you guys throw your own preception out there does not make it fact. Jerry was involved when BP was here that is a fact be it the draft and FA. Guys like Brooking and Igor came here because of Phillips input to deny that is just down right stupid.

 

[MrMom]

No coach over, or near 55 please.

It's a young mans game.

It is, but the danger with going with a young guy is Jerry running roughshod over him. Ideally I'd be down with getting a young coach, but Jerry makes that a hard route to take. Whereas, if we go with an established coach with some clout (Holmgren, Cowher, Gruden) they have a chance at being the singular voice in the organization.

 

[MrMom]

My concern with getting a young assistant type is that he won't have the skins on the wall to challenge Jerry.

If Mike Holmgren tells Jerry trading for Roy Williams is a bad idea he may listen.

If Mike Nolan does it'll be "Whatever kid"

Everyone wanting a Josh McDaniels type to come in here and stamp his identity on this team is kidding themselves - Pat Bowlen is not Jerry Jones.

Do you think Jerry would let someone come in here and shove Romo out the door?

Should've finished with the thread. You just stated what I was trying to.

Good post.