Skins Want Gruden/Cowboys Interested In Holmgren??

[MrMom]

I'm hoping the Commanders get Cowher, as I think he's vastly overrated. I would much rather have Holmgren than Cowher. Cowher just merely stuck around long enough until he won one (it just took him a mere 15 years) and then went out on top while his stock was at an all time high. And I think Tomlin has shown that team had more to do with the organization than brillant coaching. Also, does Cowher have a signature aspect to his coaching style other than acting like a cheerleader on the sidelines and making cool faces? He doesn't know jack about offense, and I guess it's easy to look like a defensive genius when Dick LeBeau is coaching your defensive unit for you.

If we go the retread route, I'm all for Holmgren. He always puts together some decent coaching staffs and he seems to have more of a coaching tree to choose from over the other retreads.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

I'd prefer a guy like Shanahan or Bill Cowher over Holmgren. But again my top choice would be Tony Dungy!

 

[jjktkk]

I think Holmgren is probably a nice guy.
I dont want him for a coach. What gets lost in the sauce is that he could have won more with Favre and he didnt - BECAUSE he could not control Favre.

So why not bring him in to CONTROL Favre Jr?
This man was wiped out the last year he was coaching. He just seemed to fulfill the obligation.

IF he was to become HC I would seriously give this team a break. Not one of those I quit watching the Cowboys rah rah nonsense. It would be Jerry pulling his nonsense and hiring a name coach and probably limiting what he does/controls blah blah blah.

A young gun is the way to go IMO. New, FRESH, raw, NOT AFRAID to upset the apple cart ala Denver. I laugh at all who laughed at Josh when he became HC. I saw some real genius in what he was doing. He ESTABLISHED himself and BOSS from jumpstreet.

Diagree. Holmgren took GreenBay to the Superbowl twice and Seattle once. The man can coach. I live up in the Tacoma/Seattle area and watched Holmgren's Seahawks up close. The man can coach. I would welcome a HC with a winning resume like Holmgren.

 

[Bach]

And you’re crazy if you think Jerry gave up anything. Jerry over ruled BP at time in the draft siding with the scouts when we took Ware with a high 1st instead of Spears who BP was looking at in the end we got both and Jerry brought in TO I highly doubt that BP brought in TO. Jerry was very involved when BP was here if you don't believe that then that is on you. If it makes you feel better to think any time we have had some success Jerry was not involved and only when thing have gone bad is when Jerry is involved be my guest but the only delusional one is yourself

Wow. I guess it was Jerry's idea to bring in Vinny, Bledsoe, Richie Anderson, Terry Glenn and all of the other former Parcells guys too? Gee that was just a coincidence all of them played under Parcells in the past, huh?

And how many of Parcells assistants did Jerry initiate in hiring? I take it you also credit Jerry with draft picks like Bobby Carpenter, who was the son of a former Parcells player?

Jerry obviously turned over control of most of the personnel and staff hirings to Parcells. I'm sure Jerry still kept to his "final say" on things, basically just rubberstamping Bill's decisions like he did under Jimmy.

And, if Jerry controlled things the same way with Parcells as he did prior to that hire, then why has there been so much mutual talk about Jerry changing back then? According to you, he never changed, he's always done things the same way. Sorry, but you are truly delusional if you think that.

 

[Bach]

If we go the retread route, I'm all for Holmgren. He always puts together some decent coaching staffs and he seems to have more of a coaching tree to choose from over the other retreads.

I'd rather go the retread route than the ****** route. Unfortunately there's been several times when Jerry's done both simultaneously.

 

[Doomsday101]

Wow. I guess it was Jerry's idea to bring in Vinny, Bledsoe, Richie Anderson, Terry Glenn and all of the other former Parcells guys too? Gee that was just a coincidence all of them played under Parcells in the past.

And how many of Parcells assistants did Jerry initiate in hiring? I take it you also credit Jerry with draft picks like Bobby Carpenter, who was the son of a former Parcells player?

Jerry obviously turned over control of most of the personnel and staff hirings to Parcells. I'm sure Jerry still kept to his "final say" on things, basically just rubberstamping Bill's decisions like he did under Jimmy.

And, if Jerry controlled things the same way with Parcells as he did prior to that hire, then why has there been so much mutual talk about Jerry changing back then? According to you, he never changed, he's always done things the same way. Sorry, but you are truly delusional if you think that.

BP clearly was able to bring in players as has Wade Phillips that does not mean they have full control it means Jerry is listening to those around him.

As far as his assistance Zimmer was with us long before BP came here. BP was not picking his entire staff and other that Garrett Jerry has not picked Wade staff either.

 

[Bach]

BP clearly was able to bring in players as has Wade Phillips that does not mean they have full control it means Jerry is listening to those around him.

As far as his assistance Zimmer was with us long before BP came here. BP was not picking his entire staff and other that Garrett Jerry has not picked Wade staff either.

I never said Parcells had "full control". It's just that he had the most control of any coach here since Jimmy.

As for the staff. BP did keep Zimmer, and possibly was asked to by Jerry. But all of the new staff that was hired, was handpicked by Parcells.

Now, not only was Garrett hired by Jerry, he was hired even before Wade was. And he wasn't the only one hired by Jerry. Campo and Houck were also Jerry hires and Wade Wilson and Dat likely were too.

 

[utrunner07]

My concern with getting a young assistant type is that he won't have the skins on the wall to challenge Jerry.

If Mike Holmgren tells Jerry trading for Roy Williams is a bad idea he may listen.

If Mike Nolan does it'll be "Whatever kid"

Everyone wanting a Josh McDaniels type to come in here and stamp his identity on this team is kidding themselves - Pat Bowlen is not Jerry Jones.

Do you think Jerry would let someone come in here and shove Romo out the door?

yeah, still wrong, not going to happen. This is not rocket science people.

Bill Parcells had just as many "skins on the wall" as any of the coaches on your generic sexy name list and Jerry did not listen to him.

It amazes me that after so long so many people still don't understand Jerry Jones.

 

[Doomsday101]

I never said Parcells had "full control". It's just that he had the most control of any coach here since Jimmy.

As for the staff. BP did keep Zimmer, and possibly was asked to by Jerry. But all of the new staff that was hired, was handpicked by Parcells.

Now, not only was Garrett hired by Jerry, he was hired even before Wade was. And he wasn't the only one hired by Jerry. Campo and Houck were also Jerry hires and Wade Wilson and Dat likely were too.

I think Wade has more say than many of the coaches that came after Jimmy. I think when BP was hired Jerry did change how business was done in Dallas giving more input from coaches and the scouting department and that still exsist today with Phillips

 

[AKATheRake]

This is going to be an interesting off-season for coaching changes.

With all these Super Bowl-winning coaches out available, there could be more firings than usual.

Shanahan
Holmgren
Cowher
Gruden
Billick

I see Dallas, Washington, Buffalo, Carolina, and Oakland making changes. Other possibilities could be San Diego, Chicago, Houston or even Tennessee (I could see Fisher resigning and taking a couple of years off ... I think he's the longest tenured coach in the NFL?).

Mortensen insists that coordinators such as Mike Zimmer, Mike Nolan and Mike Mularkey could be candidates.

Somewhere, Jim Fassel is yelling, "What about me?"

Gary Kubiak would then go work for Mike Shannahan as his OC. More and more do I like the idea of having Shanny. The hit on Shanny is his ability to evauate talent. Defensively, I don't like the way Shanny picks talent. But offensively, I have no quams. Jay Cutler, Brandon Marshall, Ryan Clady, Eddie Royal and we know he can operate a running game with whoever he puts in.

His trading of Portis for Champ was smart even though it panned out well for both teams. DJ Williams and Dumervil have been other recent higher round pickings. He did bust on the first round DE he picked though a couple of years ago. Even moved up to get him. But he has come up with some good players out of the draft the last 3-4 years. It's the FA's Shanny was signing that were junk. He overpaid but he thought he was ready to compete for a SB. A lot of solid young talent on the Bronco's.

Wade doesn't really choose the offensive talent here anyways. He does help on defense though and I think if Shanny did get the calls offensively on talent and leave the defensive pickings to the defensive coach and our director of scouting we could have success there.

Don't want Holmgren at all. Cowher couldn't help Romo get better, but he could get the right OC to do so and weknow he can command a team. Cowher just won't happen. Gruden, hell no. Billick neither. Too much talk and players have been known to over power him also. If Fischer gets let go, I'd look at him 2nd hardest after Shanny. Not a lot of talent on Tennessee. Thought it last year when they were rolling just the same. Even less this season.

 

[AKATheRake]

I never said Parcells had "full control". It's just that he had the most control of any coach here since Jimmy.

As for the staff. BP did keep Zimmer, and possibly was asked to by Jerry. But all of the new staff that was hired, was handpicked by Parcells.

Now, not only was Garrett hired by Jerry, he was hired even before Wade was. And he wasn't the only one hired by Jerry. Campo and Houck were also Jerry hires and Wade Wilson and Dat likely were too.

Out of all those Jerry coaching picking with us the only ones I'd take is the Hudson Houck and Campo as a secondary coach. The only good coaching hiring Wade has done is DeCamillis and possibly Gratham.

All the other coaches in their current coaching positions are terrible. The 2 worst are probably the 2 most important. The HC/DC and The Assistant HC/OC. Wade would be decent up to a DC as long as the defense is coupled with a powerful offense and I don't even think I'd give Garrett a QB coaching gig at this time considering what he has Romo looking like lately.

 

[wileedog]

yeah, still wrong, not going to happen. This is not rocket science people.

Bill Parcells had just as many "skins on the wall" as any of the coaches on your generic sexy name list and Jerry did not listen to him.

It amazes me that after so long so many people still don't understand Jerry Jones.

Listened to him a hell of a lot more than he ever has Wade, or ever will some younger assistant hoping to keep his first head coaching job.

Might as well make Jerry HC and call it a day if that's what you think.

 

[UnoDallas]

Shanahan - have to change to Zone Blocking Scheme

Holmgren - have to change to a West Coast Offense

Cowher - he will be in Carolina - don't like an never have like the dude

Gruden - go to Washington please - only has one winning season since the SB

Billick - I'd take him over those other OLD guys

but it Still JC job to lose IMO

 

[LucaBrasi]

No coach over, or near 55 please.

It's a young mans game.

that's the way to go.

 

[Rampage]

he's too old but i'd rather have him as the HC than coach Tecmo

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Holmgren?

Holmgren? zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[5Stars]

Shanahan - have to change to Zone Blocking Scheme

Holmgren - have to change to a West Coast Offense

Cowher - he will be in Carolina - don't like an never have like the dude

Gruden - go to Washington please - only has one winning season since the SB

Billick - I'd take him over those other OLD guys

but it Still JC job to lose IMO

Not a racist remark, but all those guys are white guys that all of you are discussing.

Because of the Rooney rule, what black or other minority coaches would you like to see?

Dallas has never had a minority HC.

 

[tyke1doe]

Slightly misleading title.

Say dat.

The article tosses out a Dallas interest, but it's mere speculation.

Nothing to see here. Move along.

 

[5Stars]

Say dat.

The article tosses out a Dallas interest, but it's mere speculation.

Nothing to see here. Move along.

Nice! Yet, you joined in...

 

[bayeslife]

Someone explain to me why the consensus is if you hire a young "fiery" coach it = success.