Something isn't right

[Hadenough]

When Romo came along he was like a breath of fresh air for this franchise. All those stupid attempts to make a baseball pitcher a QB was so frustrating and everyone could see it wasnt going to work. Romo comes along and Parcells nailed it when he said dont get out the annointing oil! Nobody believed it including myself and I instantly became a Romo fan. Well these crazy mistakes he would make were just mistakes at first but over the years I was beginning to wonder. Even my father would chuckle and laugh as I would watch the Cowboy games screaming and cheering and in the end quiet with my head down. I went to the win and your in game against the Commanders who had RG3 and Morris and Romo got the ball back with 2 min left and I though he had a chance to win the game and boom another INT right in front of me. I was on the sidelines and had enough of his crap! I put that jersey in the closet and then gave it to goodwill. I knew right then Romo was freaking jinxed! Great guy but sorry buddy Im sick and tired of being disappointed. I dont hate him but sick and tired of his mistakes at crucial moments.

So from 2012 Ive been waiting for Dallas to go out and draft a 6-5 arm Philip Rivers type QB. Here comes Dak and I was like wow there is something about this kid I like. He was an underdog and he seemed calm under pressure and was very effective and I didnt have to worry about him getting hurt. But watching him there was something I couldnt put my finger on. People kept comparing him and Wentz and I would watch Wentz and was very impressed. Of course he was making all these WOW throws but his WRs were dropping them. Then I realized Dak isnt making any wow throws! He is throwing everything short! Then when I saw the Vikings and Giants shut him down at the end of 2016 I said wait a minute. He threw a couple deep balls that he had to take 3 steps to throw and put so much air under to get them deep I realized his arm strength is questionable. But the telling tale was when his mechanics were off and he was throwing short balls that were landing 15 feet in front of the WR who was running a simple 5 - 7 yard out. In 40 years of watching football I have seen tons of QBs arm a ball like those and they lose accuracy but never does the ball land 15 feet short.
These were all question marks for me going into 2017.
I dont need to go into 2017 but yes he was figured out and he is going to struggle because of his inabilty to throw the ball into tight windows with velocity. The reason I say with velocity is because once the ball is in the air the CB is going to try and break on the ball if the window is tight and if Dak floats the ball just a little bit it will get picked off. He stays away from throws like that and against better teams in the playoffs you will have to make some throws like that to win! Sure he is gonna beat up on weaker teams but struggle against good teams. Thats why I am not sold on Dak and why It may sound like I disrespect what he has done.

 

[DogFace]

Lost me as a fan right here...This play tells me everything I need to know. We still need a QB. Might be one of the dumbest plays I've seen a QB make. This is a mistake a Jr high QB makes....not some seasoned pro.

Please tell me you’re joking and trying to make a point.

In that play he overthrows his dump off target(Zeke) and they catch it.

What was so dumb? Pretty sure I’ve seen other qb’s make that mistake. Like a lot.

The other one Dez dropped.


Help me understand exactly what is so dumb.

 

[phildadon86]

Lost me as a fan right here...This play tells me everything I need to know. We still need a QB. Might be one of the dumbest plays I've seen a QB make. This is a mistake a Jr high QB makes....not some seasoned pro.

This coming from the guy who said Kellen Moore would beat out Romo for a starting position. Forgive me if you're judgement of any QB falls on deaf ears.

 

[Jake]

Romo received x100000000 more crap than Dak

Not in his first two years. Romo didn't get any "crap" at all then.

Dak was thrust into the line up as a rookie and some people expect him to look like Romo did in year eight.

 

[America's Cowboy]

When Romo came along he was like a breath of fresh air for this franchise. All those stupid attempts to make a baseball pitcher a QB was so frustrating and everyone could see it wasnt going to work. Romo comes along and Parcells nailed it when he said dont get out the annointing oil! Nobody believed it including myself and I instantly became a Romo fan. Well these crazy mistakes he would make were just mistakes at first but over the years I was beginning to wonder. Even my father would chuckle and laugh as I would watch the Cowboy games screaming and cheering and in the end quiet with my head down. I went to the win and your in game against the Commanders who had RG3 and Morris and Romo got the ball back with 2 min left and I though he had a chance to win the game and boom another INT right in front of me. I was on the sidelines and had enough of his crap! I put that jersey in the closet and then gave it to goodwill. I knew right then Romo was freaking jinxed! Great guy but sorry buddy Im sick and tired of being disappointed. I dont hate him but sick and tired of his mistakes at crucial moments.

So from 2012 Ive been waiting for Dallas to go out and draft a 6-5 arm Philip Rivers type QB. Here comes Dak and I was like wow there is something about this kid I like. He was an underdog and he seemed calm under pressure and was very effective and I didnt have to worry about him getting hurt. But watching him there was something I couldnt put my finger on. People kept comparing him and Wentz and I would watch Wentz and was very impressed. Of course he was making all these WOW throws but his WRs were dropping them. Then I realized Dak isnt making any wow throws! He is throwing everything short! Then when I saw the Vikings and Giants shut him down at the end of 2016 I said wait a minute. He threw a couple deep balls that he had to take 3 steps to throw and put so much air under to get them deep I realized his arm strength is questionable. But the telling tale was when his mechanics were off and he was throwing short balls that were landing 15 feet in front of the WR who was running a simple 5 - 7 yard out. In 40 years of watching football I have seen tons of QBs arm a ball like those and they lose accuracy but never does the ball land 15 feet short.
These were all question marks for me going into 2017.
I dont need to go into 2017 but yes he was figured out and he is going to struggle because of his inabilty to throw the ball into tight windows with velocity. The reason I say with velocity is because once the ball is in the air the CB is going to try and break on the ball if the window is tight and if Dak floats the ball just a little bit it will get picked off. He stays away from throws like that and against better teams in the playoffs you will have to make some throws like that to win! Sure he is gonna beat up on weaker teams but struggle against good teams. Thats why I am not sold on Dak and why It may sound like I disrespect what he has done.

 

[Bleu Star]

Romo received x100000000 more crap than Dak

In his first 2 years?????

Cute statement but completely wrong.

Over the course of his career, yes sure.

Multiply the bull crap hate Dak has received over the course of his first 2 years out over a 10 year career and it would completely eclipse anything Tony dealt with.

Funny thing is... Our helter skelter fan base didn't give Dak much grief in his 1st year. They couldn't. His improbable performance in his 1st year kept them at bay.

That second year though..... The gates of hell opened.

Sad

PS... Romo replaced the unpopular Drew Bleedslow and everyone wanted that to happen when it did... I distinctively recall an extended honeymoon phase with Romo.

This is fun.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Please tell me you’re joking and trying to make a point.

In that play he overthrows his dump off target(Zeke) and they catch it.

What was so dumb? Pretty sure I’ve seen other qb’s make that mistake. Like a lot.

The other one Dez dropped.


Help me understand exactly what is so dumb.

Man i wish this was the only Dak-GOOFY play there was.....lol....there are MANY more and will be more to follow as the kid simply doesn't have what it takes to play in the NFL.....Flawed in most areas where QB need to excel....

 

[BrassCowboy]

I wonder sometimes what a healthy Romo could have accomplished with Dak's 2016 o'line and Zeke at RB. Romo caught a ton of crap, and some of it was deserved, but Jerry failed to build a competent team around him for his entire career.

This is true, but at 2016 he would be well experienced at his game so yeah maybe it would of been great.
I definitely agree that management drop the ball when it came to giving him the guys in the line to keep him standing upright.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Lost me as a fan right here...This play tells me everything I need to know. We still need a QB. Might be one of the dumbest plays I've seen a QB make. This is a mistake a Jr high QB makes....not some seasoned pro.

Hey Floaty you ain't seen nothing yet baby ......question is will he surpass his record of 15 Quarters of offense with not 1 TD.......he just might....heck he couldn't score with Dez and Witten what do you think he's going to do this coming season....Gonna be a lot of Dak-panic in the air in 2018.....

 

[DogFace]

Man i wish this was the only Dak-GOOFY play there was.....lol....there are MANY more and will be more to follow as the kid simply doesn't have what it takes to play in the NFL.....Flawed in most areas where QB need to excel....

You can’t think these Dak-words are clever or funny do you?

If he fails as you say he will I, and I bet others, will have no problem admitting they were wrong. Will you do the same if he doesn’t? Or will you say it’s because of the o-line, Zeke, and all they other excuses you are building into your ill thought out(IMO) position?

 

[DallasEast]

Plenty of guys got it worse than Dak on this forum alone.

Romo received x100000000 more crap than Dak

I just opened the thread and was quickly satisfied the truth was pointed out within the first few posts. Eventually, Prescott may accumulate enough criticism (probably mostly overtly negative) to warrant the OP’s claim but he has a long way to go before reaching that summit.

 

[dfense]

So you are going to really sit up there and say dak didnt show accuracy in year 1?

He played his part well in year 1. Yes. Teams figured out what he does well and what he doesn't in year 2 and they took away his easy reads. He needs to figure out how to overcome that in year 3. I want Dak to succeed. I just don't want everyone from the receivers, the scheme or coaching to be the scapegoat. That's getting old.

 

[DogFace]

I am not just talking about this forum. I am talking about the fanbase outside of forums too. I have alot of cowboys buddies I hang at sports bars with, co workers who are cowboy fans as well as misselanious sports talk with other strangers here and there and more views on dak are damn near the same.

I for one want to know why.

Last week I had a Bills fan observe my cowboys wrist band at a coffee shop and he told me in his opinion dak doesnt seem to be as big of a fan favorite as in his first year and he wanted my opinion on why.

I kept it simple and told him I cant speak for my fellow fans but dak will be ok.

A freaking Bills fan. What **** does a bills fan know. I live in freakin maryland. Where in the **** does a bills fan appear from.

Anyway it's not just the forums. It's becoming a forum, social media and physical form trend. You dont have to believe it but I know what I read, see and how I converse with others about sports over the weeks and months and this whole thing is baffling to me.

Stupid and or people that like to say hateful things about others used to know just enough to not utter out loud every moronic thought that came to their head.

Something has changed. Morons now have a voice and they want everyone to know who they are.

 

[Bleu Star]

I just opened the thread and was quickly satisfied the truth was pointed out within the first few posts. Eventually, Prescott may accumulate enough criticism (probably mostly overtly negative) to warrant the OP’s claim but he has a long way to go before reaching that summit.

Now let's discuss a more realistic period of time that both have already logged into the books. (Easy right... We aren't speaking in probables..)

Who has suffered the greatest wrath from our fans in their first two years?

Golden Boy Romo or Dakota?

 

[Diehardblues]

So Romo is another Danny White?

Wait a second...

Danny White took the Cowboys to 3 straight NFC Championship Games. So that means Romo is below Danny White, right?

I listed all of the good QB’s we had who were also bashed for not having more success including winning a championship.

Don’t make more out of it than I intended. I listed them in the order they played.

 

[pansophy]

It's pretty simple. If Dak is an inside out passer as Irvin says and defenses take out the inside like they did last year, then Dak needs to be able to hit the guys to the outside. He didn't do that consistently -- people can blame the route running all they want but Romo was throwing to the same guys and didn't have those issues.

When is the last time you saw one of WR's have to drag his feet to catch a ball and stay in-bounds? Every other game I watch it happens a few times a game and it almost never occurs for us. Dak needs to be able to attack the sidelines 10-20 yards downfield. If he has added that to his game this off season then all of these complaints will disappear. If he hasn't then I personally would hesitate giving a guy who can't make all of throws franchise money.

and P.S. Romo had some of the best stats in this history of the game and over and over it was said that it didn't tell the whole story. So it's hard to argue that Dak is getting unfair treatment around here.

 

[dckid]

I have been a fan for a really really REALLY long time. I have seen some of the best and worse come and go.

I have also been on many forums going as far back as the old ESPN forums of the late 90's early 2000's.

I have never, and I mean never witnessed the trashing of any terrible players I can remember years back the way Dak has received as of late.

And we are talking about not only a guy who had a great 1st season but a guy that TECHNICALLY still had a second winning season(9 wins) despite zekes suspension, bad coaching and getting killed because of oline injuries.

I believe most made Romo the exception and fans turned the other cheek on romos flaws for so many years, and the man is damn near a home town hero without having contributed to a single piece of hardware.

We now dak can throw the ball, we seen amazing accuracy and down field passing in 16. We know he can win without a star wideout, he did it without an injured Dez. And we know he can hold his own without an oline and decent RB, he scrapped together 9 wins last year, cassell and weeden would have never even made it close to 9 in the same situation.

The guy took an *** whipping last year and the coaches refused to help him or make adjustments and a lot of you leaned on the "exposed" instead of seeing the real problem or the WHOLE picture.

This fan base is turning weird. It seems more like a lot of fans are looking forward to failure just to have an I told you moment then actually being excited about football.

I believe Dak will have his fair share of 3-4 td passing with a couple rushing td games, and will still have those fans waiting up till the 2min warning of the 4th QTR, for dak to throw that INT just to get their fix.

So I want to know right now. What makes Dak(who has 2 winning seasons under his belt, no matter how you want to spin that 2nd season) any different from the other slew of crappy *** players who have received nothing but slaps in the wrist from fans over the years?

I can go back to the end of the aikman era for a proper begining and don't remember one player that got this kind of treatment.

I for one won't accept the Dak got exposed excuse any longer. And the he isn't Romo excuse is damn near laughable because we all know how that goes.

Dak does seem to get a lot of grief but its because he doesn't have the arm talent of the elite guys.
-He wasn't drafted high.
-Romo always left us wanting more, and we figured 2016 was the year which is why the boys drafted Zeke to give Romo the final piece to win.
-That last drive vs the Eagles, then retiring
-Dak is limited, didn't really throw the ball downfield, took him several games his rookie year to throw a TD.
-All his success was because of Zeke....

Honestly I think the league has gotten so much smarter over the past few years. There is more than one formula to win.
Its not just having a Brady, Brees or Rogers.
LA is winning with Goff, Eagles won with a backup QB in Foles
Jacksonsville with an amazing defense, along with Bortles.

I think Dak is good enough to win. I prefer him to drafting a top 10 guy who just plain underperforms.
Just think about the best 10 top qb's drafter over the past 10 years or so
-Winston
-Marioata
-Bridgewater
-Tannehill
-Bradford
-Flacco
-RG3


Of course we have Matt Ryan, Newton, Stafford, Luck

 

[Bleu Star]

Comparing what we know... Romo's first 2 years to Dak's and how the fans have approached both.... Dak's second year alone eclipses both of Romo's first 2 years in terms of the level of vitriol heaved in his directions by our helter skelter fans.

 

[GMO415]

He could win one SB and people would still bash him. That's part of life.....you can't make everyone happy.

I like the guy as our QB going forward. If people want to bash him so be it. I'm not a weak minded person who's going to let them doubt my resolve for the guy.

 

[Hawkeye0202]