Sources: Dallas may release Owens (ESPN) *Merge*

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This whole thing is making me smile. Without threads like this we wouldn't see a guy like Taber, or however he spells his forum name, in here defending TO as if TO is his father or something. It's quite amusing.

I'm a TO fan, I believe I've said that plenty of times, but I honestly won't shed a tear, one way or another, if he is or isn't here. It's football and it's a business first. I learned long ago that get bent out of shape over certain players getting cut, just because I like/love them is pointless.

If TO is here next year, doing great for us, then awesome. If he's not here then Roy Williams, or Austin, or someone has to pick up the ball and run with it and it'll still be great. I'll be in my chair, rooting loudly, every week regardless.
 

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BraveHeartFan;2577321 said:
I'm a TO fan, I believe I've said that plenty of times, but I honestly won't shed a tear, one way or another, if he is or isn't here. It's football and it's a business first. I learned long ago that get bent out of shape over certain players getting cut, just because I like/love them is pointless.

If TO is here next year, doing great for us, then awesome. If he's not here then Roy Williams, or Austin, or someone has to pick up the ball and run with it and it'll still be great. I'll be in my chair, rooting loudly, every week regardless.

Damn straight.
 

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Rampage;2576327 said:
1st Parcells left because of Owens now Garrett is ready to leave too. I'm no fan of Garrett but Owens costs too much for what he brings to the team.

"At least two sources believe that vice president Stephen Jones will attempt to convince his father that Owens should be finished with the Cowboys." please be true. Stephan Jones is our Savior! listen to your son Jerry.


Totally agree. Is it true that Stephan is far more respected around Dallas than Jerry? My father in law who lives in Big D says that is the case. Not saying it is true, but just what he said.
 

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alancdc;2577337 said:
Totally agree. Is it true that Stephan is far more respected around Dallas than Jerry? My father in law who lives in Big D says that is the case. Not saying it is true, but just what he said.

It's probably true because at this point Stephen isn't Jerry. The grass is always greener on the otherside of the fence. Right up until people hop that fence, play around in that grass a while, and find out it's not all that it's not as great as they thought looking from the other side.
 

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The biggest question I have is how the heck is this stuff getting leaked to the media? If they are having these discussions they should be done in house without anyone talking about it to ESPN or any one else for that matter. This team is so mismanaged it isnt funny and it all starts with Jerry.
 

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the homeristic "espn is evil" nonsense needs to stop.

it's BENEATH us as a community of fans... extreme-skins like embarrassing.

it's mind-boggling i need to point this out...NO ONE will go on record with this until its 100% certain he's gone.

You saw the damage he did in SF & Philly... what front office/staff/coach would NAPALM the place by going on RECORD with a "we might cut him" only to see jerry fall off the wagon and bring him back.

jterrell;2577028 said:
First off ESPN has ZERO credibility because they can't even title the stories honestly. Why would any sensible person believe this anonymous source when the meat of the story doesn't ever reach the point of the headline????

Secondly whomever this is is just guessing and speculating. I am "sure" we will eventually discuss T.O.??? Wow, that is a big story there. ROFL!!!

When they cut him it is a big story. When someone will go on record saying they are exploring that it is a big story.

When a source says they might discuss him this off-season it is hilarious.
 

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BraveHeartFan;2577341 said:
It's probably true because at this point Stephen isn't Jerry. The grass is always greener on the otherside of the fence. Right up until people hop that fence, play around in that grass a while, and find out it's not all that it's not as great as they thought looking from the other side.

I don't think Stephen has as big an ego and the need to have his hands in everything, like Jerry. I could be wrong, but I think he'd be more hands-off and not need for it to be all about him.
 

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For those interested, Archer's report on this very subject in the Daily Zone is a far less subjective piece. All meat and potatoes, little speculation on his part.
 

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tomson75;2577295 said:
Who's taking this story personally? I don't see that at all. I see people defending themselves from personal attacks by people with differing opinions, but no one is taking this story to heart....there is no reason to.

OK. So you don't see it. Not really surprising but that's fine.
 

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Yeah, the answer is clearly NOT to cut Folk. You could in theory add a kickoff specialist but I'd be satisfied with significantly better coverage. I don't mind if opponents are starting off at the 28 because Folk kicked it to the 6. I mind if opponents are starting at midfield because our players are out of their lanes.
 

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InmanRoshi;2576898 said:
A part of me wonders if the yapping isn't intentionally done just to float it out there and gauge what the public consensus will be on the public stage and to test the waters to factor into an impeding decision. I really do believe Jerry stubbornly (and unbelievably) thought TO was a liked and marketable player among the Cowboy Nation, and it might have been an eye opening moment when he was overwhelmingly booed out of the stadium before the Giants game .
I dunno, IR... Seems to me that TO is immensely popular among fans. Just like in Philly, he has his diehards who love him. Seems like TO and Romo jerseys are by far the most popular of the ones I see people wearing. I can't imagine that cutting TO would be go over well with most fans.

Maybe if to see if the reaction wouldn't be as negative as he might have once thought... I could see that.

I did have a different thought on this very obvious leak, though, because you're right that this has become suspiciously very public. Maybe they're just trying to gain some leverage with and send a message to TO. Maybe they want to let him know that hey, we've let you do pretty much what you wanted to since you got here, but we see what's going on and we WILL cut you. I imagine he's completely shocked that this talk is even going on because, of course, in his mind he hasn't done anything wrong.

But then, I doubt even that would really get his attention. In his mind he's just the misunderstood soul who can't ever catch a break. Like others have said, if anything this will probably just make him angry and he might lash out in defense of himself.
 

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Chocolate Lab;2577385 said:
I dunno, IR... Seems to me that TO is immensely popular among fans. Just like in Philly, he has his diehards who love him. Seems like TO and Romo jerseys are by far the most popular of the ones I see people wearing. I can't imagine that cutting TO would be popular among fans.

Maybe if to see if it wouldn't be as negative as he might have once thought... I could see that.

I did have a different thought on this very obvious leak, though, because you're right that this has become suspiciously very public. Maybe they're just trying to gain some leverage with and send a message to TO. Maybe they want to let him know that hey, we've let you do pretty much what you wanted to since you got here, but we see what's going on and we WILL cut you. I imagine he's completely shocked that this talk is even going on because, of course, in his mind he hasn't done anything wrong.

But then, I doubt even that would really get his attention. In his mind he's just the misunderstood soul who can't ever catch a break.

I think that TO is popular among the die hards that we're exposed to as regular posters on a popular messageboard, but among the casual Dallas fans I don't think so. When I strike up casual conversation about the Cowboys in Dallas, it doesn't seem TO is very well liked at all.
 

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Chocolate Lab;2577385 said:
I dunno, IR... Seems to me that TO is immensely popular among fans. Just like in Philly, he has his diehards who love him. Seems like TO and Romo jerseys are by far the most popular of the ones I see people wearing. I can't imagine that cutting TO would be go over well with most fans.

Maybe if to see if the reaction wouldn't be as negative as he might have once thought... I could see that.

I did have a different thought on this very obvious leak, though, because you're right that this has become suspiciously very public. Maybe they're just trying to gain some leverage with and send a message to TO. Maybe they want to let him know that hey, we've let you do pretty much what you wanted to since you got here, but we see what's going on and we WILL cut you. I imagine he's completely shocked that this talk is even going on because, of course, in his mind he hasn't done anything wrong.

But then, I doubt even that would really get his attention. In his mind he's just the misunderstood soul who can't ever catch a break.

T.O. has alot of fans. For instance i am a fan of T.O. But i think the consensus feel like i do we are tired of T.O. acting like a kid when he is a man in his mid thirties. T.O. brings to much unwarranted attention. I like T.O. he is a H.O.F. players but dude i am a bigger Dallas Cowboys fan. Its time for us to part ways with the T.O.

T.O. being our locker room leader is not a good thing.
 

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I kind of feel sorry for TO.

Yes, he's had his problems, some of them caused by himself.

But, he's a competitor, who practices like he plays in games (just like Irvin), who hasn't gotten into any off the field trouble, but somehow has committed crimes in the eyes of the media. He committed only one mistake this season, and that was complaining (telling the truth) publicly about Garrett's system in an interview with Sanders. It appears that he was partially right. Even Romo agreed with him after the Philly debacle.

I wonder how people would react if they were in his situation, one where he is constantly berated in certain media outlets based on "anonymous" sources.
 

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Cowboys decide not to discipline WR coach


The Cowboys denied Sunday that wide receivers coach Todd Haley will be disciplined as a result of an incident with wide receiver Terrell Owens last week, ESPN has learned.

When asked on Friday by ESPN's Ed Werder whether there would be disciplinary action after the argument between Owens and Haley, Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said: "Yes, Against Haley."

He added, "This is not a reflection on TO."

The team on Sunday said no action would be taken.

Owens said on his radio show Friday that his relationship with Haley was ruined by a blowup this week. It began when Owens missed the start of Wednesday's practice because of an upset stomach, and Haley berated him for being late. Owens held his tongue then, but they later argued during a meeting.

The story getting out seems to bother Owens the most because Haley vowed since training camp that all internal matters would stay behind closed doors. Owens spoke with reporters for 45 minutes Wednesday without ever mentioning any problems with Haley. But the incident was reported by several media outlets Friday before Owens gave his side of the story later on his weekly show.

From now on, T.O. said, "there will be nothing else, no other dialogue" between him and Haley.

"There will be no more friendly nothing because I don't trust anybody like that," Owens said. "I will go out and practice hard. I will respect him as a coach, and he should respect me as a player. Anything outside of that I am not going to be able to deal with.

"Right now, we are merely coworkers, and that's it," he added.

After a huge game in the Cowboys' 34-6 win over the Texans on Sunday, Owens softened those comments a little, but not completely.

"He's my coach and I respect him," said Owens, who had three touchdown catches. "That doesn't mean we have to go to lunch together, play cards together."

Haley and Owens chatted before the game and even hugged after the receiver's third touchdown on Sunday.

Owens caught only three passes for 45 yards in a loss to Philadelphia on Sunday. It was a key division game for the Cowboys and a personal revenge game for Owens after the Eagles dumped him midway through last season.

TV cameras showed Owens screaming at Haley -- who also carries the title "passing game coordinator" -- on the sideline during the game. Although teammates said some of his rants were encouragement, Owens admitted saying, "Why am I here?" about his limited action. Coach Bill Parcells later noted that 13 balls were thrown to Owens, five more than anyone else; two were intercepted and one was dropped.


The confrontation between receiver and coach occurred Wednesday, the first time the Cowboys were back on the practice field. A strength coach was sent to get Owens when he was absent.

"By the time I step on the field, Todd starts cursing at me, this and that, and I'm like, 'Dude, I was in the restroom,"' Owens said. "He said, 'I don't [care] what you were doing. Everybody else is out here."'

Owens said he didn't respond, although he later apologized to Parcells and was told, "All right, just try to get out here a little earlier."

Then Owens and Haley butted heads during a meeting.

"I was venting, he was venting," Owens said. "I felt it stayed behind closed doors.

"It's all about frustration. Everybody is still frustrated from the loss on Sunday. At some point, we had our time to vent on Monday, Tuesday and have that bad taste that sick feeling out of your mouth. On Wednesday, it's a new day. It's a new game plan, a new team that we're getting prepared for. That's where our focus and direction should be. But obviously Todd, he's been frustrated, and he's taking it out on other people."

Owens has a history of not getting along with coaches, from his position coach to the offensive coordinator to the head coach. It led to his dismissal from San Francisco and Philadelphia.

Although Owens missed most of the preseason with a hamstring and had a highly publicized accidental overdose, he insists that he's been on his best behavior in his first season in Dallas.

"I know in the back of people's minds they are waiting for something to happen," said Owens, in the first year of a three-year, $25 million contract with the Cowboys. "I have made a conscious effort not to go down those roads again."

Owens made it clear that he'll still listen to Haley, but their discussions must be limited to Xs and Os.

"In business, you have people that work together and don't necessarily get along together," he said.

Owens said "anything is fixable," but he feels his trust in Haley "is being violated."

"I will have a hard time [trusting him] here on out," Owens said.

Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

So the last time someone in the Cowboys organization confronted TO Jerry publicly speculated that they might be reprimanded and punished for it.

And you wonder why no one will go on record about this or confront TO face to face?

Although teammates said some of his rants were encouragement, Owens admitted saying, "Why am I here?" about his limited action. Coach Bill Parcells later noted that 13 balls were thrown to Owens, five more than anyone else; two were intercepted and one was dropped.

Ah, the more things change, the more they stay the same.
 

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odog422;2577283 said:
What I find amusing is the venom and the way so many get so so bent out of shape over what they deem is a "non-story."

If you don't believe it or think it's not credible, why go on and on trying to pick it apart to "prove" you're right and the "story" is wrong?

Not knocking anyone's right to express their opinion but it's just amazing how some take it so personal, but then say it's not true.

I suspect many are like me. I take exception to it because like all gossip it turns into a creature that can cause harm. It's apparently creating problems with the players so it's important. News is another thing altogether.
 

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Jerry would seek to quash this story immediately if it were untrue.

If you have no intention of releasing somebody, nothing is gained letting this sort of story linger.

His silence is deafening.





(had to stick that last bit in)
 

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InmanRoshi;2577408 said:
So the last time someone in the Cowboys organization confronted TO Jerry publicly speculated that they might be reprimanded and punished for it (because he had the audacity to expect TO to be on time for practice).

And you wonder why no one will go on record about this?



Ah, the more things change, the more they stay the same.

Yes, because being sick isn't an excuse. :rolleyes:

How would you react if your boss started yelling at you if you came in late 5 minutes to work and your "excuse" was feeling sick with an upset stomach and some diarrhea?
 

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Chocolate Lab;2577385 said:
I dunno, IR... Seems to me that TO is immensely popular among fans. Just like in Philly, he has his diehards who love him. Seems like TO and Romo jerseys are by far the most popular of the ones I see people wearing. I can't imagine that cutting TO would be go over well with most fans.
Maybe if to see if the reaction wouldn't be as negative as he might have once thought... I could see that.

I did have a different thought on this very obvious leak, though, because you're right that this has become suspiciously very public. Maybe they're just trying to gain some leverage with and send a message to TO. Maybe they want to let him know that hey, we've let you do pretty much what you wanted to since you got here, but we see what's going on and we WILL cut you. I imagine he's completely shocked that this talk is even going on because, of course, in his mind he hasn't done anything wrong.

But then, I doubt even that would really get his attention. In his mind he's just the misunderstood soul who can't ever catch a break. Like others have said, if anything this will probably just make him angry and he might lash out in defense of himself.

I disagree.

If the 2009 Dallas Cowboys have success next year, all will be well.

Also, there was a significant part of the fanbase that didn't want Terrell Owens on the roster to begin with.

Furthermore, I believe keeping Wade Phillips as Head Coach is more unpopular with the fans than cutting Terrell Owens.

The fans booed him before the Ravens game and I believe that sample of Cowboys fans represents a good portion of the fanbase.
 

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InmanRoshi;2577398 said:
I think that TO is popular among the die hards that we're exposed to as regular posters on a popular messageboard, but among the casual Dallas fans I don't think so. When I strike up casual conversation about the Cowboys in Dallas, it doesn't seem TO is very well liked at all.

Real1st;2577404 said:
T.O. has alot of fans. For instance i am a fan of T.O. But i think the consensus feel like i do we are tired of T.O. acting like a kid when he is a man in his mid thirties. T.O. brings to much unwarranted attention. I like T.O. he is a H.O.F. players but dude i am a bigger Dallas Cowboys fan. Its time for us to part ways with the T.O.

T.O. being our locker room leader is not a good thing.

That's interesting. Maybe I have been influenced by the TO fans here. I imagined that the more casual fan just sees the touchdowns and the big plays and doesn't even keep up with the internal workings of the team. But I'd be glad to be wrong. :)

And to Mick... If the team wins next year, nothing else will matter. I was talking about at the time the cut would be made, which would be by summer.
 
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