Speculation: FSU and Clemson to big 12?

[JohnnyHopkins]

For what it's worth, denial by FSU and some reps of the Big Twelve...

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-05-11/sports/os-florida-state-big-12-randy-spetman-0512-20120511_1_acc-and-espn-conference-switch-fsu-ad-randy-spetman

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

Concerning Louisville I have heard the following...

Jurich has privately given the Big East their notice. BE brass want it kept under wraps for a bit due to concern of conference falling apart

Also read the following concerning clemson...

On the advice of Clemson's Athletic Advisory Committee, Dr Terry Phillips has requested the ACC for a detailed outline of everything they would need to do if they ever decided to exit the conference.

We already know Louisville wants out of the Big East and they wanted to get into the Big 12. Now follow up this with the Clemson info it seems clemson has at the very least thought of leaving the ACC.

Isn't that somewhat old news? Louisville has been trying to get out since last year when West Virginia snuck around them for that spot in the Big Twelve.

Here are my thoughts. Louisville is hearing these rumblings about Florida State and they are reminding the Big Twelve that they want to come on board. The Big East just fired Marinatto, so Louisville is reiterating their stance to the interim comish.

Now, if Chip Brown is accurate (and he is usually UT's mouthpiece), then the Big Twelve is most likely not interested in Louisville unless they needed a second team to come along with a major player like FSU.

Here is the quote that I am basing this on...

"For weeks and months, I had been told the Big 12 was good with 10 schools. Nine conference football games. Home-and-home in basketball league games. Good. No need for a Big 12 championship football game because it would only risk knocking a possible undefeated or one-loss team out of a national title shot with an upset.

But last week I talked to some people who said, "Well, if it's the right two." And that was different from what I had heard before.

I was also told that studies had been done looking at what value might be added if any of the original members of the Big East (Louisville, Cincinnati, etc.) would bring to the Big 12, and that report did not come back favorably, sources said.

That leaves some interesting candidates who could probably benefit from having the ability to launch their own network. The most likely to benefit from such an opportunity would be Notre Dame and Florida State."

http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1363940

 

[DFWJC]

Now, if Chip Brown is accurate (and he is usually UT's mouthpiece), then the Big Twelve is most likely not interested in Louisville unless they needed a second team to come along with a major player like FSU.

In this case, there are offcials from Texas, Tech, and Florida State who have all said today that Brown's comments are false.

 

[rkell87]

here is an article from chip brown about it, he isnt the most reliable when predicting these things, but this is not about that, he just lays out the advantages to a jump to the big 12. he states what some have talked about, the third tier rights, and apparently FSU is dealing with some money problems in their athletic department.

http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1363940

look, the ACC is a fine conference, but lets get real, when it comes to football, the big 12 is MUCH more marketable, and if they were able to get FSU and, say, louisville, they would be able to get a lot more money in a new contract than the 16.6 or whatever that it would come out to right now, plus FSU could launch their own network.

http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1363940

This is what's really pushing the realignment issue, along with the advent of a playoff system IMO.

The Seminoles are in one of the few states - with a population of 19 million - in which a university could turn its third-tier rights into the school's own television network the way Texas has done in the Lone Star State (population 25.6 million).

TOO GOOD TO PASS UP?: One industry source said if Texas can command $300 million over 20 years - $15 million per year in additional TV revenue - for its own network, Florida State should be able to command at least a third that much ($5 million), if not more, in a state with so many television sets and a passion for FSU sports.

If what we have heard is true, in that the payout on the new contract with the ACC is really 16 Million, as opposed to 17 and the annual payout in the Big 12 is 20 plus an additional 5 million from 3rd tier rights, what we are really talking about is an increase, over 2011, of 12 million a season. That's 8 million more then the projected best offer from the ACC. That's a big difference in payout.


I recommend you read the entire article. To do so, click on this link:
http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1363940

it is a great article but i read it way back on page 4

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

In this case, there are offcials from Texas, Tech, and Florida State who have all said today that Brown's comments are false.

Which ones (honestly, I'm not being a smart @, that is just a big article that states a lot of things)

 

[DFWJC]

Which ones (honestly, I'm not being a smart @, that is just a big article that states a lot of things)

The only names mentioned was FSU AD, Spetman. He went so far as to say not only has he not spoken to anyone from the Big 12, but nobody from FSU has. He said the additonal revenue from their new TV contract (signed yesterday) will help them get back on track.

You posted that Orlando Sentinel artical that seemed to say the same.

As I've already said, FSU to the Big 12 would surprise me. But nothing would completely surprise me though, as people always seem to deny.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

The only names mentioned was FSU AD, Spetman. He went so far as to say not only has he not spoken to anyone from the Big 12, but nobody from FSU has. He said the additonal revenue from their new TV contract (signed yesterday) will help them get back on track.

You posted that Orlando Sentinel artical that seemed to say the same.

As I've already said, FSU to the Big 12 would surprise me. But nothing would completely surprise me though, as people always seem to deny.

Oh, got ya! Yes, I would agree with your stance. Pretty much all of Chip's discussion on FSU were his own speculation. My only reason for posting the article was about the Louisville mention. Chip can be all over the map on things, but he does seem to have some real sources at times at UT.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The only names mentioned was FSU AD, Spetman. He went so far as to say not only has he not spoken to anyone from the Big 12, but nobody from FSU has. He said the additonal revenue from their new TV contract (signed yesterday) will help them get back on track.

You posted that Orlando Sentinel artical that seemed to say the same.

As I've already said, FSU to the Big 12 would surprise me. But nothing would completely surprise me though, as people always seem to deny.

I am a bit skeptical of this only because it has been reported that the increase for each team in the ACC is from 13 million to 17 or 16 million once the cut for the ACC Admin Office is included. It has also been reported that FSU Athletic budget for fiscal 2012 is short 2 to 3 million. Now, if FSU stays in the ACC, they are right at breakeven, depending on that 2 to 3 million number. I can't imagine that FSU would be OK with that. If they suffer any increases, they are likely back in the same position of being over budget, to say nothing of being able to build a new facility, which they desperately need. I have a hard time believing this statement from Spetman.

 

[DFWJC]

I am a bit skeptical of this only because it has been reported that the increase for each team in the ACC is from 13 million to 17 or 16 million once the cut for the ACC Admin Office is included. It has also been reported that FSU Athletic budget for fiscal 2012 is short 2 to 3 million. Now, if FSU stays in the ACC, they are right at breakeven, depending on that 2 to 3 million number. I can't imagine that FSU would be OK with that. If they suffer any increases, they are likely back in the same position of being over budget, to say nothing of being able to build a new facility, which they desperately need. I have a hard time believing this statement from Spetman.

We'll see.

You know FSU though; to me, them advertising a possible shortfall in the coming season is almost certainly a maneuver for a major revenue request from the boosters. If they want to renovate the basketball and football stadium, that sounds more like a donor request than a long-term shortfall.
They can get 50-75 million from donors without much trouble.

East Carolina, for example, has great facilites now (renovated football, suites, megtron, baseball field, softball field, more) ...and they raised all that cash through fund-raising. FSU's has 40,000+ students and ECU only has 27000. And I suspect FSU's may have deeper pockets too.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

We'll see.

You know FSU though; to me, them advertising a possible shortfall in the coming season is almost certainly a maneuver for a major revenue request from the boosters. If they want to renovate the basketball and football stadium, that sounds more like a donor request than a long-term shortfall.
They can get 50-75 million from donors without much trouble.

East Carolina, for example, has great facilites now (renovated football, suites, megtron, baseball field, softball field, more) ...and they raised all that cash through fund-raising. FSU's has 40,000+ students and ECU only has 27000. And I suspect FSU's may have deeper pockets too.

That's a fair point but from what I understand, the budget numbers were from a study FSU did as a part of financial analysis for a new stadium. Now, that doesn't mean that those numbers are not fudged because we have probably both seen that happen in our lifetimes. However, it is more then just a statement from the AD Press Secretary.

Still in all, you do have a point here.

 

[Biggems]

I would love to see all the Florida schools in the same conference....sure would make for some interesting recruiting wars.

 

[DFWJC]

I would love to see all the Florida schools in the same conference....sure would make for some interesting recruiting wars.

No doubt. At least now there are lower scholarship limits. Back in the the 70s and 80s, the mega programs would dress 110 players for home games and hoard all the the recruits.

Now not only do the big staes have several D-1 programs in multiple conferences, but they also can't corner the market becasue of the scholarship limits.

Florida's main D-1 programs are mostly in 3-4 conferences. Texas too.

Florida
SEC: Florida
ACC: Florida St, Miami
Big East: South Florida, Central Florida
Sun Belt: Fla Int'l, Fla. Atlantic

Texas
SEC: Texas A&M
Big 12: Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU
Big East: Houston, SMU
CUSA: UTEP, Rice, N Texas

 

[rkell87]

On Friday, Florida State athletic director Randy Spetman said his school was committed to the ACC. That's not the same story Florida State Board of Trustees Chairman Andy Haggard told Warchant.com that he's not happy with the newest television deal the ACC has signed with ESPN, and he thinks Florida State should at least consider other options.

"How do you not look into that option? On behalf of the Board of Trustees I can say that unanimously we would be in favor of seeing what the Big 12 might have to offer," Haggard told the site. "We have to do what is in Florida State's best interest."



http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...n-big-12-how-do-you-not-look-into-that-option

 

[rkell87]

Geoff Ketchum ‏ @gkketch
From FSU BOR chairman: "On behalf of the Board of Trustees I can say that unanimously we would be in favor of seeing what the Big 12.."

 

[DFWJC]

So the Athletic Director, Head Coach, and School President have not expressed any interest, but the Board of Trustees Chair has.

This could get interesting.
Does the Board of Trustees have much say here?

 

[MC KAos]

So the Athletic Director, Head Coach, and School President have not expressed any interest, but the Board of Trustees Chair has.

This could get interesting.
Does the Board of Trustees have much say here?

im sure it depends on each individual school, and i have no idea how FSU works so i wouldnt know what kind of power he has. BUT, if its true that the ENTIRE board is with him like he states ("unanimous" was his word) then that is pretty significant

 

[rkell87]

So the Athletic Director, Head Coach, and School President have not expressed any interest, but the Board of Trustees Chair has.

This could get interesting.
Does the Board of Trustees have much say here?

usually a BoT donates a lot of money, or brings in a lot of money, or both to attain their BoT position.


you know what they say about he who controls the money

 

[MC KAos]

now jimbo is open to the move!

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...-thinks-fsu-should-explore-the-big-12-as-well

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Seems a little like the BOT chairman and the Head Coach are starting to grease the PR wheels some.

 

[Biggems]

No doubt. At least now there are lower scholarship limits. Back in the the 70s and 80s, the mega programs would dress 110 players for home games and hoard all the the recruits.

Now not only do the big staes have several D-1 programs in multiple conferences, but they also can't corner the market becasue of the scholarship limits.

Florida's main D-1 programs are mostly in 3-4 conferences. Texas too.

Florida
SEC: Florida
ACC: Florida St, Miami
Big East: South Florida, Central Florida
Sun Belt: Fla Int'l, Fla. Atlantic

Texas
SEC: Texas A&M
Big 12: Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU
Big East: Houston, SMU
CUSA: UTEP, Rice, N Texas

Dont forget UTSA and Texas St.....both will be in the WAC this season.