Speculation: Todd Mcshay on EspnNews (Potential Oak-Dal Draft day deal)

[Rack]

He got in a skirmish at a night club once a few weeks ago, protecting his brother, and didn't even get arrested. He's hardly a character issue and I'm on the forefront of not drafting guys with character issues.




YAKUZA

You know what's sad? There's gonna be enough ill informed people here that read Nors' constant flat out LIES about McFadden and they'll start to believe it. Pretty soon he'll have a following and it'll be more than just Nors we're trying to educate on the matter.

Only Nors knows better, he really does. But he's gonna use it to support his agenda anyway.

 

[windward]

Exactly. What happened to everyone that wanted him before?

And Dakota, that would be great if we could pull it off. I'd love to see what McFadden could do when he wasn't the sole focus of the defense every single play.

well, it's tough. I am trying to weigh the option of getting McFadden or getting a rb and cb in the draft. While McFadden could be great will it be worth missing out on a Antoine Cason+Felix Jones?

But it is close to equal imo.

 

[Big Dakota]

If it were to happen, and McFadden turned into another Tony Dorsett, you'd be kissing JJ's feet.

True dat!!!

 

[Big Dakota]

You know what's sad? There's gonna be enough ill informed people here that read Nors' constant flat out LIES about McFadden and they'll start to believe it. Pretty soon he'll have a following and it'll be more than just Nors we're trying to educate on the matter.

Only Nors knows better, he really does. But he's gonna use it to support his agenda anyway.

We have a car and a scuffle, and neither proved to be anything.

 

[bbgun]

I find it kind of amazing that so many would be irate if we got the best player in the draft for a couple of tail end first rounders. That would be nothing short of highway robbery.

And can someone please remind me why McFadden isn't a need? MB3 has so far proven to be a great role back who is a RFA this season with Drew Rosenhaus as his agent coming off a Pro Bowl and looking for Top 5 RB in a longterm deal, and who's running style will not equate with a long career (or perhaps even a 250+ carry season). I'd rather let him walk than pay him Shaun Alexander/Larry Johnson money.

First, Barber is going nowhere. Second, they're not going to sacrifice potentially three first round picks for a part-time guy who will be splitting carries with Mr. Barber. You only do that kind of deal for a player who will be on the field every damn snap (qb, cb, left tackle, de, etc.) We know Barber can play and thrive in this league; the same can not be said of McFadden. In this rb heavy draft, it'll be much cheaper to find JJ's replacement who (hopefully) isn't a complete headcase.

 

[windward]

First, Barber is going nowhere. Second, they're not going to sacrifice potentially three first round picks for a part-time guy who will be splitting carries with Mr. Barber. You only do that kind of deal for a player who will be on the field every damn snap (qb, cb, left tackle, de, etc.) We know Barber can play and thrive in this league; the same can not be said of McFadden. In this rb heavy draft, it'll be much cheaper to find JJ's replacement who isn't a complete headcase.

and that is why I think a Felix Jones/Antoine Cason combo would give us more of an edge come playoff time.

 

[bbgun]

and that is why I think a Felix Jones/Antoine Cason combo would give us more of an edge come playoff time.

Had Jerry not gone to Arkansas, I don't think we'd even be talking about this.

 

[windward]

Had Jerry not gone to Arkansas, I don't think we'd even be talking about this.

Have we even drafted anyone from Arkansas since Jerry's been the owner? Sometimes these ideas take on a life on thier own without much substance.
EDIT: Just checked, we have not.

 

[Big Dakota]

well, it's tough. I am trying to weigh the option of getting McFadden or getting a rb and cb in the draft. While McFadden could be great will it be worth missing out on a Antoine Cason+Felix Jones?

But it is close to equal imo.

A guy like Jack Ikegwuonu or Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie or DeJuan Tribble will be there at #61. Rest assured a very good CB prospect will be there in the 2nd.

 

[silverbear]

That is a terrible trade for us.

We have a top 5-10 RB in this league in MB3

Never mind that he finished 18th in the league in rushing, he's one of the top 5 or 10 backs in the league, by Gawd!!!

This, kiddies, is what we call Nors logic... we call it Nors logic because if we called it what it really is, we'd get banned in here...

and that kid is a walking character issue

It's beyond contemptible that you keep on insisting that McFadden has all these character issues, indeed it calls YOUR character into question... the guy's never been arrested for anything, and you go and try to make him out to be PacMan Junior...

It's OK for you to like or dislike certain players, Nors, but you really make a fool of yourself sometimes, with this garbage... of course, your inability to come up with a REAL reason why we shouldn't draft McFadden only demonstrates that we ought to look into doing just that...

 

[Big Dakota]

Had Jerry not gone to Arkansas, I don't think we'd even be talking about this.

Or if Stephen said "that could be McFadden" on national TV during the draft.

 

[windward]

A guy like Jack Ikegwuonu or Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie or DeJuan Tribble will be there at #61. Rest assured a very good CB prospect will be there in the 2nd.

Yeah, I just have a bit of a man crush on Cason.

 

[Rack]

Never mind that he finished 18th in the league in rushing, he's one of the top 5 or 10 backs in the league, by Gawd!!!

This, kiddies, is what we call Nors logic... we call it Nors logic because if we called it what it really is, we'd get banned in here...



It's beyond contemptible that you keep on insisting that McFadden has all these character issues, indeed it calls YOUR character into question... the guy's never been arrested for anything, and you go and try to make him out to be PacMan Junior...

It's OK for you to like or dislike certain players, Nors, but you really make a fool of yourself sometimes, with this garbage... of course, your inability to come up with a REAL reason why we shouldn't draft McFadden only demonstrates that we ought to look into doing just that...

 

[Big Dakota]

Yeah, I just have a bit of a man crush on Cason.

I liked him based on a couple games i watched him play in 07, and what Hos had to say, but when my man Drew B raved about him, i was sold.


Drew Boylhart November 2007[FONT=Verdana,sans-serif][FONT=Verdana,sans-serif]Antoine Cason CB Arizona[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Verdana,sans-serif]

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[FONT=Verdana,sans-serif]Antoine has excellent size, strength and speed to play multiple DB positions for the team that drafts him. He is a good tackler and has excellent intelligence to go along with some good leadership skills. Antoine is an excellent zone cover corner who understands match-up zone coverage better than most CB’s that are in the NFL right now. He also has solid man-to-man cover skills, but his true strength is his intelligence and ability to understand zone coverage like a coach on the field. Antoine has the size and strength to cover those big WR’s and pass catching TE’s that every team is looking for and also has the ability to move inside in nickel and dime situations. He has the talent to match-up as a cover CB on an island against those tall WR’s in the red zone. I call him Antoine (The Brain) Cason. Do I really need to explain?[/FONT]

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[FONT=Verdana,sans-serif]Antoine is not going to cover those little bug-like WR’s and he will be susceptible to double moves because he has those long legs that will always make it difficult to recover quickly. This is not a real problem because Antoine can overcome this issue with his intelligence.[/FONT]

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[FONT=Verdana,sans-serif]I am not sure I have ever seen a kid that has a better understanding of zone coverage than this kid. He doesn’t take false steps, he knows exactly where he is on the field and he understands when to let the WR go in the zone. He also understands when a team floods his zone, what player is his priority and does not get confused. Antoine likes the play in front of him and because he is a good tackler, he could easily play the Free Safety position in a single safety defensive scheme. He has good man-to-man cover skills, but he excels in zone coverage along with excellent leadership skills. When you draft Antoine, you will be drafting a player who will keep your DB’s all on the same page on every snap. If I were in the same division as the Detroit Lions, Antoine would be very high on my list. He will be able to cover that fade route against the larger WR’s without a problem and that alone is worth drafting him. Antoine will have some difficulty covering one on one players like Steve Smith, Roscoe Parrish, Randle El, but as I have been saying throughout this profile, he is also smart enough that when he has to cover those type of WR’s, they better run their routes correctly because he will jump all over any mistakes they might make. I’m calling him Antoine (The Brain) Cason because he is like a coach on the field. [/FONT]

 

[silverbear]

I wouldn't say PFT is a premiere source of news, Rich, but McFadden does carry some baggage with him that he's going to have to explain...

How 'bout I try to "explain" it??

He had an episode a coupla years back where he caught somebody trying to steal either his, or a relative's car, and went semi-postal... his shoe came off, he kicked a curb, and broke his toe...

He was not arrested in that incident... so basically, the harshest criticism we can level for that incident is that he was hanging around outside a bar (the bar manager said he was never actually inside that bar), in the wee small hours of the morning...

Before Arkansas' bowl game this year, KARK-TV in Little Rock published a report suggesting that McFadden was driving around in a Cadillac Escalade that he had been given in violation of NCAA rules...

The alleged incident was investigated, and nothing improper was found... indeed, KARK had to publicly apologize to McFadden for running a bogus story... so I can't find ANYTHING to criticize him for in this... Darren is actually semi-famous for driving a Ford Taurus that he made to look ridiculous by sticking 24 inch rims on it... that sucker looks like it had an SUV-style lift kit put on it...

Finally, McFadden was recently involved in a fight outside a bar in the wee small hours of the morning again, and was apparently so angry that the cops had to cuff him to chill him out... again, he was NOT arrested...

So, Darren's "character problems" apparently involve going to bars late at night... I'd suggest that if the Cowboys removed everybody for whom that's true from their draft boards, they wouldn't be able to field a 25 man roster...

I can't imagine that any NFL team will red flag Darren McFadden for character issues...

 

[silverbear]

He hurt his foot badly in another bar incident last year.....

Yeah, he caught somebody trying to steal either his car, or a car that belonged to a relative... I guess you wouldn't get physical with somebody you caught trying to steal YOUR car, Mr. Holier Than Thou??

You forgot to mention he wasn't charged with ANYTHING in that incident...

And was seen riding a $100K Escalade recently his Mommy bought him.

1) This was investigated, and McFadden was still eligible to play in the bowl game... apparently, nobody found any improprieties...

2) KARK-TV actually APOLOGIZED to McFadden for running that piece, saying:

"And we also want to apologize to Darren McFadden and his family for reporting details of this story that were not accurate."

3) The agent who reportedly bought the car for McFadden (Mike Conley) is not licensed to represent NFL players, only NBA players... so why would he buy a car for a college FOOTBALL player??

Conley, who said he does not represent McFadden and is not a certified football agent, also said the report was untrue. Conley is registered as an agent with the NBA and represents his son, Mike Conley Jr., and Greg Oden, who was the No. 1 overall draft pick in the 2007 NBA draft.

"I got a call and was told that somebody is saying I walked into a dealership in Fayetteville with Darren and helped him purchase a car," said Conley, a former track and field star at Arkansas. "I haven't been in Fayetteville in a while, and I certainly haven't been in any car dealerships with Darren McFadden."

Perhaps you should make an effort to get your facts straight before you go trashing a guy for nothing...

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Never mind that he finished 18th in the league in rushing, he's one of the top 5 or 10 backs in the league, by Gawd!!!

This, kiddies, is what we call Nors logic... we call it Nors logic because if we called it what it really is, we'd get banned in here...

No that is what YOU call it. What i call what youre doing is 'being a blowhard' or 'weak use if statistics.'

Barber split carries and he also played in an offense that did not feature the run that put him at a disadvantage.

if you were to look at the people above him on the rushing list only a few like Peterson and Taylor actually had to share carries.

He was also one of only 7 RBs selected to the Probowl.

 

[silverbear]

You know what's sad? There's gonna be enough ill informed people here that read Nors' constant flat out LIES about McFadden and they'll start to believe it. Pretty soon he'll have a following and it'll be more than just Nors we're trying to educate on the matter.

Only Nors knows better, he really does. But he's gonna use it to support his agenda anyway.

Seems Nors has no problems with playing fast and loose with the truth, when it comes to trashing players he has a distaste for...

 

[silverbear]

First, Barber is going nowhere.

You do know he's a restricted free agent, don't you??

If Jerry tenders the guy at a first round pick level, as I expect he will, and some other team bites on that compensation, I let him leave gleefully...

 

[silverbear]

No that is what YOU call it. What i call what youre doing is 'being a blowhard'

Still can't argue without the ad hominem attacks, I see... how gratifying, knowing you're still choking on your bile from the last time you tried to go head to head with me... LOL...

Barber split carries

Right-- just like Troy Hambrick did when he was with the Cowboys...

And what happened to Troy when we asked him to be the main guy?? Why, his stats went right in the toilet...

Anybody who thinks that Marion Barber has the potential to be a 1500 yard back in the NFL is deluding himself... and I want nothing less than that for the Dallas Cowboys... I want a guy capable of putting up Tony Dorsett/Emmitt Smith-type numbers... McFadden has that potential, IMO, Barber most assuredly does not...

and he also played in an offense that did not feature the run that put him at a disadvantage.

And he will be playing in that same offense next season, so I don't have the first clue what point you're trying to make here...