Speculation: Todd Mcshay on EspnNews (Potential Oak-Dal Draft day deal)

[Boysboy]

Have we even drafted anyone from Arkansas since Jerry's been the owner? Sometimes these ideas take on a life on thier own without much substance.
EDIT: Just checked, we have not.

At least he's not Andy Reid, who tends to be OVER-loyal to his roots(i.e. b/c he came from Mormon country, he tends to be too loyal to guys like Reno "I'm too slow" Mahe. And he also hured that buffoon Brian Billick to be his "offensive consultant").

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Still can't argue without the ad hominem attacks, I see... how gratifying, knowing you're still choking on your bile from the last time you tried to go head to head with me... LOL...



Right-- just like Troy Hambrick did when he was with the Cowboys...

And what happened to Troy when we asked him to be the main guy?? Why, his stats went right in the toilet...

Anybody who thinks that Marion Barber has the potential to be a 1500 yard back in the NFL is deluding himself... and I want nothing less than that for the Dallas Cowboys... I want a guy capable of putting up Tony Dorsett/Emmitt Smith-type numbers... McFadden has that potential, IMO, Barber most assuredly does not...



And he will be playing in that same offense next season, so I don't have the first clue what point you're trying to make here...

Typical, you ignore the final and most salient point. He was one of SEVEN RB elected to the probowl.

And the last time Barber got the bulk of the carries was the playoff game and ripped off 130 yards. You compare him to Hambrick. Thats comedy gold.

And exactyl why would one be deluding himself to think that if you gave Barber enough carries he wouldnt be able to get 1500 yards? He averages 4.8 yards per carry which is great and he also picked up a hair under 1k yards. When and in what form has he shown that he wears down? He hasnt as should have been evidenced by his strong performance in the SEVENTEENTH game of the season.

Its actually pretty sad how inconsistent you are on your character evaluations. i remember you being one of the toolbags that was saying we shouldnt draft Merriweather when his flag was much less egregious then the total work of McFadden.

McFadden has been in TWO bar fights in the last year. What that should tell you is that he likes going to bars where these types of things happen. I used to go to bars all the time. For some strange reason I never saw bar fights much less got involved in one. He has seen two and that should tell you something.

Is he PacMan? Of course not but to just gloss it over and pretend like it doesnt matter especially when you consider your past 'judgements' is bloody hilarious.

And on a final note there are several RB int his draft that have the potential of being a top flight RB. This draft is DEEP in them for the first two rounds and to trade the farm when there are free chickens to be had is folly.

Ill take Stewart, Slaton or Rice plus a CB and a WR and not have to trade away our draft for one player.

 

[bysbox1]

Unfortunately I heard that report also and can verify what glorydaysrback is saying is true. That would be a bad trade for the Cowboys as far as I am concerned.

Top 5 money on DMac plus what will have to pay MB3 just isn't something I would do.

Save the picks and get F. Jones if you want to go RB that high. We don't need to invest 2 #1's on a RB that will only split the carries.

Ij we have met our needs via free agency and he's the best talent there then I would go for it. As long as he's the best talent available . . . And I am not convinced MBIII is an every down back. And I don't think the coaching staff is convinced either or they would have resigned him by now. He left a lot of yards on the field against NY. And Felix Jones is small.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Ill take Stewart, Slaton or Rice plus a CB and a WR and not have to trade away our draft for one player.

Me too. Picks are pure gold. Unless you're guaranteed a superstar (which has a probability of less than 2% on draft day), trading two picks for one is just not worth it because the probability of getting two good to great players is better than the probability of getting one good to great player.

I just hope JJ has learned his lesson and doesn't bet the farm.

 

[Route 66]

Perhaps Jerry is considering the effect that Peterson has had on the Vikings franchise this past year with their running game. He may be thinking since our OL and QB are better, we would get the same type of yardage in our running game with McF and better. I would prefer to pass on him though.

 

[Eddie]

This smells of old Jerry Jones. We're a 13-3 team with a ton of holes ... but which could be cemented with a solid day 1 draft.

RB is NOT one of those holes.

 

[burmafrd]

We need more CBs and maybe a WR and it would not hurt to draft a center who actully has experience playing. Using up both 1sts on a player who might only be a part time player is STUPID.
And those denying that McFadden might have some charactor flaws are morons. Maybe those 2 incidents mean nothing- BUT maybe they DO. It should be carefully investigated.

 

[silverbear]

Typical, you ignore the final and most salient point. He was one of SEVEN RB elected to the probowl.

I find myself wondering how long it's been since a back made the Pro Bowl, an didn't even gain 1000 yards... IOW, I think his selection to the Pro Bowl is pretty much a joke...

And the last time Barber got the bulk of the carries was the playoff game and ripped off 130 yards. You compare him to Hambrick. Thats comedy gold.

Guess you don't remember that Ham once "ripped off" 189 yards against the Skins, on 12/14/03... in fact, that was one of five 100 yard efforts he had with the Cowboys...he had 20 for 127 against the Falcons and 10 for 107 against the Iggles in 2001, 21 for 100 against the Skins in 03 again, and 24 for 127 against the Jets...

You might find my comparison to be "comedy gold", but it is in fact a very fair comparison... when Hambrick split carries with Emmitt, he averaged 5.1 yards per carry, even more than Barber has averaged the last 2 seasons... and when the Boys called on him to carry the ball 275 times in a season, he averaged all of 3.5 yards per carry...

Soooo, he was a stud in a rotation, a dud when he was asked to be the feature back... now we have Barber, who has been a stud in a rotation, but whose extremely physical style suggests he'll have a hard time getting through a 300 plus carry season intact....

Yup, it seems like an extremely apt comparison to me... of course, just because it worked that way for Hambrick, it doesn't automatically mean it'll work that way for Barber, but the historical parallels are there, and ought to give a THINKING man cause for concern...

And exactyl why would one be deluding himself to think that if you gave Barber enough carries he wouldnt be able to get 1500 yards? He averages 4.8 yards per carry which is great and he also picked up a hair under 1k yards.

Because if you ask Barber to carry the ball 300 plus times in a season, you'll get him killed...

When and in what form has he shown that he wears down? He hasnt as should have been evidenced by his strong performance in the SEVENTEENTH game of the season.

And how many CARRIES did he have in those first 16 games??

Its actually pretty sad how inconsistent you are on your character evaluations.

Chuckle... when exactly did I bring up "character" issues in this thread??

What's sad, albeit comical, is your problems with me run so deep that you drag up the most irrelevant crapola, just because you wanna pick a fight... that says a great deal about YOUR character...

i remember you being one of the toolbags that was saying we shouldnt draft Merriweather when his flag was much less egregious then the total work of McFadden.

McFadden has been in TWO bar fights in the last year.

And wasn't charged with anything in either one... apparently, both times he was sticking up for either his property, or for his family (in the first incident, he caught some jagoff trying to steal either his car, or one that belonged to a relative, in the more recent incident he got pissed when somebody suckerpunched his brother... WOW, what a troublemaker!!!

Meanwhile, Brandon capped off a few rounds at some guys who took shots at his buddies... which is justifiable, except it also means he's the kind of guy who runs around strapped... a man that age running around with gun does bother me, yeah...

Then there's the matter of that ugly, ugly brawl that he helped instigate against Florida International... you remember, the one that got him suspended; how many suspensions has McFadden had??

What that should tell you is that he likes going to bars where these types of things happen.

Yup, that's what it tells me, all right... and that's ALL it tells me, except that he gets angry when somebody tries to rip off his ride, or punches a family member...

I used to go to bars all the time. For some strange reason I never saw bar fights much less got involved in one. He has seen two and that should tell you something.

I've seen more bar fights than I could count... you must hang out at some really wussy bars...

Is he PacMan? Of course not but to just gloss it over and pretend like it doesnt matter especially when you consider your past 'judgements' is bloody hilarious.

Somehow, I find having my morality questioned by a man who thinks dog fighting ought to be legal to be both amusing and contemptible, all at the same time...

And on a final note there are several RB int his draft that have the potential of being a top flight RB. This draft is DEEP in them for the first two rounds and to trade the farm when there are free chickens to be had is folly.

None of them has the potential that McFadden has... oh, one or more of them might eventually develop into a better RB, but unless you can show me which ones, and GUARANTEE that your judgement is on the money, I'm gonna favor doing what you can to get the one with the best odds of reaching greatness...

Ill take Stewart, Slaton or Rice plus a CB and a WR and not have to trade away our draft for one player.

You seem to think that getting McFadden is my first, last and only plan... this just demonstrates that you don't have a clue what you're talking about...

 

[raichledog]

I'm not a UT fan, so this is not a homer statement, but I'd much rather address our neds at WR and DB in the first then look at Jamal Charles at rb in the 2nd round. Considering the fact that we have a legitimate #1 in MBIII already, what we need is a change-of-pace back, and there might not be a faster rb in all of college football than Charles.

He's not small at 6'1" and 203 lbs, but he is an absolute burner, and he has proven to be durable and extremely productive. He's one of only 4 Texas rb's to eclipse the 3,000 yard mark which says something.

YR att yds ypc lng td rec yds ypc td lng
2005 119 878 7.4 80 11 14 157 11.2 3 62 00
2006 156 831 5.3 46 718 183 10.2 72 1 00
2007 258 1619 6.3 86 18 17 199 11.7 62 000

I think he would be ideal as MBIII's backup... thoughts?

 

[lspain1]

The only fear that's relevant here is that Jerry might make a bad deal to get McFadden and I remain convinced that Jerry has learned his lessons from the past and won't do that again. McFadden is a legitimate draft candidate for the Cowboys, but may not be a good value and I expect the Cowboys to explore a deal and see if they like it well enough to pull the trigger. I'm really not worried about this and I doubt the Raiders or the Cowboys do anything stupid.

Maybe a deal gets done....but I doubt it.

 

[zrinkill]

I have no doubt that Jerry can swindle Davis.

If he could do this for anything less than both our first 2 draft picks I would say go for it.

But I would not give up both number ones. I would Rather have Felix and another number one than just McFad.

 

[Big Dakota]

Perhaps Jerry is considering the effect that Peterson has had on the Vikings franchise this past year with their running game. He may be thinking since our OL and QB are better, we would get the same type of yardage in our running game with McF and better. I would prefer to pass on him though.

That's exactly what it is and Jerry has come out and said he wants a "difference maker" so putting aside what i want or what i would do, i think there's a heck of a chance Jerry goes up and gets DMac.

 

[Oh_Canada]

Is there anyway we can petition JJ not to do this??? They're seems to be an awful lot of smoke going on here for there not to be a fire brewing.

 

[OldButDeadly]

I've seen more bar fights than I could count... you must hang out at some really wussy bars...

I find myself laughing at that one

:laugh2:

 

[Big Dakota]

I find myself laughing at that one

:laugh2:

Ya see two a night where i come from

 

[jterrell]

What we do in the draft depends entirely on how FA goes.

We need to resign Canty, Barber, and Hamlin (and possibly Flo). We have to upgrade the CB position. We'll have both TO and Newman entering the final years of their contracts......lots to do.

Now, if we take care of our players.....then, we're able to sign a solid CB and WR in FA, then we might try a "blockbuster deal" to land McFadden.

But that seems far-fetched.

The one thing to note....this draft is very deep at RB and CB. Their may not be many blue-chippers, but there is a lot of red-chippers.

If we give up two first rounders for McFadden and keep our second....then, it wouldn't sting so bad. There would still be a solid player CB available.

Very good points.

In attempting to win a Super Bowl we do not need a running back. It wouldn't hurt to have another good or better RB of course, but it isn't a need. Right now needs are:
1. LT
2. 2nd or 3rd CB
3. 2nd WR
4. 3-4 DE
5. Backup RB

So do you trade two firsts to "fix" issue 5?
Only if you have handled 1-4 previously or feel you can in a later round.

If I can draft Steve Slaton at pick 60+ would I trade two top 30 picks for DMac? Nope. Heck Felix Jones is a kick returner who may have more value for our specific needs next year.

 

[InmanRoshi]

You guys are just listing off positions and sloting pegs into holes, but what Jerry has gone on record saying he wants this offseason is an electric player at a skill position on offense. A difference maker. A WOW player.

Yes, we can find a RB in any round and put a peg into a hole, but not necessarily a WOW player. WR has good depth in the middle rounds, but there is no WOW player in this draft at that position in this draft. There is a WOW runningback in this draft.

 

[BigDave95]

How 'bout I try to "explain" it??

He had an episode a coupla years back where he caught somebody trying to steal either his, or a relative's car, and went semi-postal... his shoe came off, he kicked a curb, and broke his toe...

He was not arrested in that incident... so basically, the harshest criticism we can level for that incident is that he was hanging around outside a bar (the bar manager said he was never actually inside that bar), in the wee small hours of the morning...

Before Arkansas' bowl game this year, KARK-TV in Little Rock published a report suggesting that McFadden was driving around in a Cadillac Escalade that he had been given in violation of NCAA rules...

The alleged incident was investigated, and nothing improper was found... indeed, KARK had to publicly apologize to McFadden for running a bogus story... so I can't find ANYTHING to criticize him for in this... Darren is actually semi-famous for driving a Ford Taurus that he made to look ridiculous by sticking 24 inch rims on it... that sucker looks like it had an SUV-style lift kit put on it...

Finally, McFadden was recently involved in a fight outside a bar in the wee small hours of the morning again, and was apparently so angry that the cops had to cuff him to chill him out... again, he was NOT arrested...

So, Darren's "character problems" apparently involve going to bars late at night... I'd suggest that if the Cowboys removed everybody for whom that's true from their draft boards, they wouldn't be able to field a 25 man roster...

I can't imagine that any NFL team will red flag Darren McFadden for character issues...

It's nice to see someone who has the actual facts instead of throwing out that nonsense that Darren has "character issues". Just to add a few specifics:

1) The incident in which Darren broke his toe happened at a strip mall in Little Rock which is a popular hangout. There's a car wash, gas station, a few businesses and a bar in this strip mall. It's just your typical hangout place. Someone was stealing Darren's cousin's car. They were already in the car and driving away. People were walking in front of them so they had to stop the car for a second. Darren ran over, opened the door, and dragged the driver out. A fight ensued and Darren had on flip flops and broke his toe on a curb.

Sure, he probably shouldn't been out that late at night but I love how people call this just your typical bar fight even though he wasn't even at a bar and it wasn't just a fight.

2) The Escalade was purchase by Darren's step mom on a 6 month, no payment plan... an advertised program that's available to anyone who qualifies. I could give you a list of 500 other players and family members who started spending their NFL money before they were drafted. It's fairly common. Darren had nothing to do with this other than he was seen driving around in his mom's new ride.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

You guys are just listing off positions and sloting pegs into holes, but what Jerry has gone on record saying he wants this offseason is an electric player at a skill position on offense. A difference maker. A WOW player.

Yes, we can find a RB in any round and put a peg into a hole, but not necessarily a WOW player. WR has good depth in the middle rounds, but there is no WOW player in this draft at that position in this draft. There is a WOW runningback in this draft.

He would definitely make the offense more explosive.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Had Jerry not gone to Arkansas, I don't think we'd even be talking about this.

Like Windward said, that's a myth that's taken on a life of its own through constant repetition.

The truth is that McFadden could have gone to any major college school, or certainly any other SEC school, and we'd be saying the same thing.

Whatever the uniform, the man is a badass.

He reminds me more of Dickerson than anyone who's come out since him, and lookie at who was the O-line coach for Dickerson when he was putting up 1800+ and 2100+ yard seasons... Very interesting...