Speculation: Trade in the works?

[Vintage]

That's where I would start the bidding. Then I would give up a second, and a 4th and Ellis and Davis for Reed. I would not go beyond that.

And for your question about RW pay, apparently the Ravens think so.

I seriously doubt the Ravens trade Reed for a package that doesn't include Roy.

If they are trading arguably the best safety in football, they will want either a 1st round pick and more, or picks or players combined with another good saftey(which is Roy; not Keith Davis).

 

[peplaw06]

Why is everyone saying TRR cost $100? That is only if you subscribe for a full year. On their sign-up sheet, you have monthly options for $10, which is a lot less than $100 just to read the special stories.

Well if you did it monthly for a year, it would be $120

 

[Champsheart]

I just want to say to Woody's Girl and all the MODS here.

Right now you are doing the right thing, and the stand up thing by staying out of this.

Right now Roy is over there with a sticky showing his true colors. I know you all are aware of this.

His little feelings are hurt, he is trying to call people out by telling lies, which is what he does best, and acting with complete unprofessionalism.

You are all very Stand Up, and it is appreciated.

That is why I left that board long ago, and call this my home.

 

[Vintage]

Why is everyone saying TRR cost $100? That is only if you subscribe for a full year. On their sign-up sheet, you have monthly options for $10, which is a lot less than $100 just to read the special stories.

Back on topic:

I would be willing to give up Ellis and our #2 (assuming we are going to use our #2 on a safety this year) to get Ed Reed and their #4. Even though he was injured last season, when it comes to free safeties, is just doesn't get much better than Ed reed. Why gamble on a rookie when you can have the real thing? We would also regain our 4th back that we gave up to get Chris Canty last season.

And yet, there is no reason for the Ravens to do that either.

The difference between Greg Ellis and Ed Reed is more than the difference between a #2 and a #4.

More likely, it would have to be Ellis and our first. And that might not be enough to land Reed either.

 

[Clove]

I seriously doubt the Ravens trade Reed for a package that doesn't include Roy.

If they are trading arguably the best safety in football, they will want either a 1st round pick and more, or picks or players combined with another good saftey(which is Roy; not Keith Davis).

So that's where the talks stop then. I think RW, when it's all said and done, a HOF safety..And that's IMO.

People around don't think that, and that's their opinion. But I would not give up a 1st Rounder, and if they don't like it, keep him. So it's a stupid rumor anyways (I guess) and it's really not a discussion.

 

[Rack]

I've been posting in this thread, for what? All of 10 minutes maybe? Maybe 15.

Please answer the above question I asked you.

Pretty sure I answered all your questions.

No rack, it doesn't change my opinion of you at all.

I was mostly a lurker back then.....still am for the most part over at RR. I may have 250 posts in the 2+ years I've been there.

I just remembered the name, remembered you were banned, and thought it was most likely the same person.

Under the FWIW category: I did like your posts back then.

Why thank you.

And for what it's worth, getting banned from that place ended up a godd thing for me. I found this place.

That said, I did plenty over there to get banned. Should of been banned long before I actually was. But that's another story...


Honestly though, all bias aside, this place is much more enjoyable for me. I do miss some of the posters over there though, but a lot of them post here too so it's all good.


I know you say you like that place better, but stay here and post here for a week or two and I'd be willing to bet you'd change your mind.

Why is everyone saying TRR cost $100?

Read the whole thread and you'll find out. Specifically, read all of Vintage's posts in this thread and you'll find out.

 

[kTXe]

I subscribe to the Ranch Report and I think it's worth it, though I can certainly see some of the criticisms regarding the site. Being a struggling college student, I probably never would have shelled out the 100 bucks if it was just for the access to the articles on the Ranch. However, I go to UNC and am I diehard Heels fan...and the subscription gets me access to all of the premium content on every ********** site. I also get a year's subscription to The Sporting News with it, so I don't think it's a bad deal. (lol...just re-read that and it kinda sounds like an ad for the premium service, which I don't mean for it to be...just trying to justify why I pay for a service and don't consider it to be throwing my money away like some here do).

Anyways, this whole thing is kinda silly. I post more at the Ranch than here because I enjoy that dynamic little more. My sense of humor fits in well with a lot of posters over there, and the site also allows me to really tear into people if I feel like it. There is great Cowboys discussion at both boards, but I simply choose to do the majority of my posting there, no biggie. There are definitely more idiots over there than here, but it comes with the territory of looser moderation.

Now, let's all kiss and make up.



EDIT: LOL...I see sc0ut.com is censored over here, much like the word "zone" is censored over there (which I think is very stupid, BTW). I wonder, was the censoring of scout over here a response to the (childish) censoring of zone over there?

 

[CATCH17]

Like what? Name one thing he's "Broken".

I'll post the link as soon as I get access to it.

It's a message board so I mean once it clears the board its gone, but he had a link set up for all the doubters and I was impressed by some of the stories and the times that he told the story.

I'm trying to get it though and as soon as I do i'll post it.

 

[Vintage]

So that's where the talks stop then. I think RW, when it's all said and done, a HOF safety..And that's IMO.

People around don't think that, and that's their opinion. But I would not give up a 1st Rounder, and if they don't like it, keep him. So it's a stupid rumor anyways (I guess) and it's really not a discussion.

Roy's coverage skills were exposed last year.

He hasn't improved one iota in his coverage ability since he came into the league.

Meanwhile, Ed Reed has grown to be arguably the best safety in football.

Roy is going to want top money. He is better than Archuleta, and Archuleta is the highest paid safety in NFL history. Care to guess what Roy will want next year?

Roy is a good safety. I love having him on our team and what he brings to our defense.

However, if the Ravens are interested in moving Ed Reed, I am listening (if I was Jones).

 

[JonJon]

Well if you did it monthly for a year, it would be $120

Why would someone want a yearly subscription anyway? Seems like March and April are the only months worthy of paying for articles. Everything else will happen right in front of your eyes.

 

[Vintage]

Yeah, eman. I am in the same boat as you. College student. Though, admittedly, I don't have it too rough....my parents give me money, plus I have money from interning in the summers.

But yeah, I use my Scout thing to look up stuff about Marquette's recruits, etc too.

And my friends like to look at stuff on my account as well (though, I should charge them for some compensation).

 

[Rack]

I subscribe to the Ranch Report and I think it's worth it, though I can certainly see some of the criticisms regarding the site. Being a struggling college student, I probably never would have shelled out the 100 bucks if it was just for the access to the articles on the Ranch. However, I go to UNC and am I diehard Heels fan...and the subscription gets me access to all of the premium content on every ********** site. I also get a year's subscription to The Sporting News with it, so I don't think it's a bad deal. (lol...just re-read that and it kinda sounds like an ad for the premium service, which I don't mean for it to be...just trying to justify why I pay for a service and don't consider it to be throwing my money away like some here do).

Anyways, this whole thing is kinda silly. I post more at the Ranch than here because I enjoy that dynamic little more. My sense of humor fits in well with a lot of posters over there, and the site also allows me to really tear into people if I feel like it. There is great Cowboys discussion at both boards, but I simply choose to do the majority of my posting there, no biggie. There are definitely more idiots over there than here, but it comes with the territory of looser moderation.

Now, let's all kiss and make up.

I do kind of miss being able to do that every now and then, but really it's immature to do so anyway. Plus, I really needed to learn to take a breath and think before I post. This place has really helped me learn the difference between the stupid and the ignorant. Sometimes over there I'd rip into someone that was just completely ignorant. That's not right. That's like ripping into someone that has never learned a thing about math about not knowing the answer to 2+2. If you don't know, you don't know.


Honestly, this place has helped me grow a bit. I respect others' opinions more then I did over there. I actually take the time to think about why a poster thinks the way he/she thinks instead of lashing out at them for being an idiot.


But seriously, those posts RP made over there are just him showing his true colors. WG and the rest of the mods here did the right thing by taking the high road.

Thankfully I am allowed to not take the high road (hey, I said I've grown, not that I've grown up ).

 

[JonJon]

And yet, there is no reason for the Ravens to do that either.

The difference between Greg Ellis and Ed Reed is more than the difference between a #2 and a #4.

More likely, it would have to be Ellis and our first. And that might not be enough to land Reed either.

I doubt the Cowboys are the ones trying to make the trade. Assuming the report is true, it seems as if the Ravens are trying to get rid of Reed and Lewis and want a quality safety in return. Unfortunately for them, I doubt Jones and Parcells will listen to any trade involving Roy and will make them a secondary offer. Ellis and a #2 is probably the best offer they will get from the Cowboys.

 

[Rack]

Roy's coverage skills were exposed last year.

He hasn't improved one iota in his coverage ability since he came into the league.


Meanwhile, Ed Reed has grown to be arguably the best safety in football.

Roy is going to want top money. He is better than Archuleta, and Archuleta is the highest paid safety in NFL history. Care to guess what Roy will want next year?

Roy is a good safety. I love having him on our team and what he brings to our defense.

However, if the Ravens are interested in moving Ed Reed, I am listening (if I was Jones).

You need to read some of AdamJT13's work. Roy isn't nearly as bad in coverage as you claim him to be. In fact, he's ABOVE average in that category.

 

[Vintage]

I doubt the Cowboys are the ones trying to make the trade. Assuming the report is true, it seems as if the Ravens are trying to get rid of Reed and Lewis and want a quality safety in return. Unfortunately for them, I doubt Jones and Parcells will listen to any trade involving Roy and will make them a secondary offer. Ellis and a #2 is probably the best offer they will get from the Cowboys.

Again, depending on the contract Roy will demand (and given the fact that he is not as complete of a safety as Reed), could make for some interesting talks.

Esp. if Roy wants to be the highest paid safety in NFL History.

Which could happen, as he deserves it more so than Archuleta.

Though, Reed deserves it more so than both.

 

[CATCH17]

But seriously, those posts RP made over there are just him showing his true colors. WG and the rest of the mods here did the right thing by taking the high road.

Not trying to get anything started but if your truly trying to take time to figure out what people think what do you think Roys thinking?


I'd probably say hes thinking that someone stole money from him by posting his stuff over here for free when he charges for it at the ranch.

I'm not gonna lie if I wanna read what Roy is charging for I just come over here sometimes and get it for free and I love it so no complaints from me. But if it were money coming out of my pocket I might get fired up as well.

 

[Jay9508]

He is better than Archuleta, and Archuleta is the highest paid safety in NFL history. Care to guess what Roy will want next year?

look what team signed him, the Commanders. the team that is known for blowing major money on average players.

 

[kTXe]

I do kind of miss being able to do that every now and then, but really it's immature to do so anyway. Plus, I really needed to learn to take a breath and think before I post. This place has really helped me learn the difference between the stupid and the ignorant. Sometimes over there I'd rip into someone that was just completely ignorant. That's not right. That's like ripping into someone that has never learned a thing about math about not knowing the answer to 2+2. If you don't know, you don't know.


Honestly, this place has helped me grow a bit. I respect others' opinions more then I did over there. I actually take the time to think about why a poster thinks the way he/she thinks instead of lashing out at them for being an idiot.


But seriously, those posts RP made over there are just him showing his true colors. WG and the rest of the mods here did the right thing by taking the high road.

Thankfully I am allowed to not take the high road (hey, I said I've grown, not that I've grown up ).

I agree that it's immature, but I'm just a 21 year old college student, so I'm allowed to be, right? Your rants are things of lore over there, lol.

 

[Vintage]

You need to read some of AdamJT13's work. Roy isn't nearly as bad in coverage as you claim him to be. In fact, he's ABOVE average in that category.

Which brings us back to square one. Adam was one of my favorite posters to read. As you well know, he no longer posts at the RR.

Care to link me to that thread? I'd like to read it.

I will forever have etched in my memory, the site of a rookie Roy Williams running stride for stride with Jimmy Smith in coverage along the sideline, picking off the ball. From that point, I was so damn sure Roy was going to become the best safety in the league and be as complete as any safety in history.

His pass coverage skills are not better than Reed's run support. And the times I saw Roy drop back into coverage, I was not particularly impressed. Woodson was better in coverage IMO than Roy.

 

[neosapien23]

I doubt the Cowboys are the ones trying to make the trade. Assuming the report is true, it seems as if the Ravens are trying to get rid of Reed and Lewis and want a quality safety in return. Unfortunately for them, I doubt Jones and Parcells will listen to any trade involving Roy and will make them a secondary offer. Ellis and a #2 is probably the best offer they will get from the Cowboys.

I don't know about that. Parcells remarked awhile back that everyone on the team was for sale. If he thinks Ed Reed is a better overall player than Roy Williams, than he would pull the trigger despite what the media thought. I honestly believe Ed Reed is a better player than Roy Williams so I don't the Ravens would trade him straight up for Roy. Maybe that is why they asked for Greg Ellis for Ray Lewis as well. If this Rumor is indeed true than the Cowboys should trade Roy and Ellis for Reed and a third, if the Ravens will not agree to a trade without Ellis being involved.