*SPOILERS*The Walking Dead Season 4– First half of season

[Stash]

The really messed up part is how they haven't put in any effort at obtaining more powerful firepower. I mean... I 50CAL will end a herd of zombies in about 10 seconds. They wouldn't be that difficult to get either. THere's abandoned military vehicles all over the place. And they could probably get more powerful weapons than a 50 cal too.

Or forget weapons... what about a bulldozer? Do some fabricating and put some metal spikes on the "Shovel" end of it and BAM, you've cleared out 50+ zombies like nothing.

Exactly right. And how is it that a nut job like the Governor can preside over 'Paradise City' and the best our group can do is a dark, dank, disgusting prison?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Exactly right. And how is it that a nut job like the Governor can preside over 'Paradise City' and the best our group can do is a dark, dank, disgusting prison?

Initially they (the prison) group didn't have the man-power to secure a large area like the what was available at Woodbury. The prison looked like a palace to Rick and his group because they didn't have to do much to make it reasonably secure. And then after a while... Suppose it's like many people– when you live in a shathole after a while it becomes comfortable.

The challenge with using a .50 cal is that you need a clean field of fire and hope the piece doesn't jam or overheat. Then you have the ammunition thing and the noise is only going to draw more of them. And in the end you've only wiped out a very, very, very small percentage of them (overall), and you may end up dead through the process anyway.

To me the smarter move is to do what was portrayed in the book "World War Z". Go north. Go where the temps are below freezing and the dead can't move. Or head for the Rockies... The dead are poor climbers.

 

[Future]

Does anybody else wonder how long this type of thing could go on? Eventually all the zombies would deteriorate to the point of not being a threat, and the population is so small that it doesn't seem possible to repopulate, so to speak, the amount of zombies. Most survivors know that you have to "kill" those that die, and the number of people who would die on their own is slim to none, so eventually, wouldn't all the zombies just sort of disappear?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Does anybody else wonder how long this type of thing could go on? Eventually all the zombies would deteriorate to the point of not being a threat, and the population is so small that it doesn't seem possible to repopulate, so to speak, the amount of zombies. Most survivors know that you have to "kill" those that die, and the number of people who would die on their own is slim to none, so eventually, wouldn't all the zombies just sort of disappear?

Interesting question...

One possible outcome could be as was described in Max Brook's book, "World War Z". In the book, everything east of the Rockies was given up to the zombies. But there were still groups that survived, much like Rick's group and the former group at Woodbury.

West of the Rockies survivors were much more aggressive at cleansing the land of the walking dead.

Why the Rockies as a dividing point? It was found that the zombies had very difficult time navigating through/over that range of mountains.

Eventually the area of the Rockies became zombie-free.

And then the great sweep happened. Units/groups began working their way east, in as much of a straight line as possible. Progress was slow and deliberate.

As these groups came across hordes or herds, they would retreat a short distance and then form a "square", just like infantry use to do in order to defend themselves against cavalry. The group would then use dogs to go out and lead the zombies back to the formed square– then the fun would begin.

The use of a .50 cal machine gun was mentioned earlier, if you had 4 set up as part of a square, it would keep the walking dead from working their way around you. If you only have one .50 cal, then they would start to pile up in front, and the zombies behind would start going left & right. With one .50 cal you're going to have to constantly swing the gun from one extreme to another.

 

[Lodeus]

Cannibals?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Episode 4... Comment away!

 

[Kevinicus]

This season is still boring the hell out of me.

 

[iceberg]

the past seasons built to something. this one, i'll agree isn't the best but i hold out hope.

2 people hide in a bathroom for 2 days cause of 1 walker?

wasted time.

the shunning of carol was a surprise - but i'm sure their paths will meet again.

i just hope i still give a **** by then.

 

[Smith22]

Pretty slow overall. Rick made the right call with Carol. If it leaked that she murdered those people, the prison would become heavily divided.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I was surprised by the decision Rick made but absolutely agree it had to happen. He knows that eventually the others will either find out, or he'll have no choice but to tell them, and if she's still there you either divide the prison or Ty winds up killing her anyway.

He has given her a chance, even if some people think it's a small chance making her go out by herself, to survive and I do believe he actually does believe that she will survive and I also think that while he knows he has to make her leave, he also hated that she put him at a point where he had to make her leave.

I didn't understand the point of introducing the two new people only to have the girl quickly die and then apparently the guy died, although they don't show that. I don't get the point of just randomly killing off new people like that. Those two had been surviving in groups, or on their own, all this time and suddenly they're so stupid they get themselves killed after Rick finds them? Just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

I'm most curious how the exile of Carol will play out with Darryl, Hershel, and the little girl.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I was surprised by the decision Rick made but absolutely agree it had to happen. He knows that eventually the others will either find out, or he'll have no choice but to tell them, and if she's still there you either divide the prison or Ty winds up killing her anyway.

He has given her a chance, even if some people think it's a small chance making her go out by herself, to survive and I do believe he actually does believe that she will survive and I also think that while he knows he has to make her leave, he also hated that she put him at a point where he had to make her leave.

I didn't understand the point of introducing the two new people only to have the girl quickly die and then apparently the guy died, although they don't show that. I don't get the point of just randomly killing off new people like that. Those two had been surviving in groups, or on their own, all this time and suddenly they're so stupid they get themselves killed after Rick finds them? Just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

I'm most curious how the exile of Carol will play out with Darryl, Hershel, and the little girl.

Carol will show up again... It may be after the prison falls, but it will happen.

It's just about automatic anymore... new character="red shirt".

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

I think watching TWD through the glorious magic of TiVo is the way to go. We just cranked out the last three episodes last night without commercials and it didn't seem nearly as slow as some folks on here feel it was.

Having said that, we've sufficiently set up enough plots and developed enough characters that we should start with some more action now!

 

[Stash]

the past seasons built to something. this one, i'll agree isn't the best but i hold out hope.

2 people hide in a bathroom for 2 days cause of 1 walker?

wasted time.

the shunning of carol was a surprise - but i'm sure their paths will meet again.

i just hope i still give a **** by then.

I'm right there with ya.

Can't help but feel there are new people in charge behind the scenes and they're dropping the ball big-time.

Several lame setups with walkers this season.

From the nonsense with the liquor on the shelves and sudden roof collapse, to this episode where one walker traps two people for several days. If they were that inlet, they wouldn't be alive.

Too often, people are introduced as props seemingly to fill time and nothing more.

I do appreciate one of the originals being written out by a means other than death, at least that was different.

Though I'm wondering if there wasn't some behind the scenes decision influencing it.

Time off for the actor of them simply having enough and wanting out?

That said, there is painfully little of consequence happening and this sickness storyline isn't interesting me in the least.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I'm right there with ya.

Can't help but feel there are new people in charge behind the scenes and they're dropping the ball big-time.

Several lame setups with walkers this season.

From the nonsense with the liquor on the shelves and sudden roof collapse, to this episode where one walker traps two people for several days. If they were that inlet, they wouldn't be alive.

Too often, people are introduced as props seemingly to fill time and nothing more.

I do appreciate one of the originals being written out by a means other than death, at least that was different.

Though I'm wondering if there wasn't some behind the scenes decision influencing it.

Time off for the actor of them simply having enough and wanting out?

That said, there is painfully little of consequence happening and this sickness storyline isn't interesting me in the least.

Rewatching that premier episode I finally figured out why the roof collapsed, cos I thought it was kinda bogus myself (at the time).

When the helicopter crashed, it didn't explode but fuel did spill out all over that section of the roof.

The noise of the shelf collapsing caused the zombies to walk towards the copter and crash through sections of the roof that had deteriorated due to the fuel spill. If you look at where the zombies crashed through the roof, there were dark spots on the roof (simulating where the fuel spilled/sat).

 

[Stash]

Rewatching that premier episode I finally figured out why the roof collapsed, cos I thought it was kinda bogus myself (at the time).

When the helicopter crashed, it didn't explode but fuel did spill out all over that section of the roof.

The noise of the shelf collapsing caused the zombies to walk towards the copter and crash through sections of the roof that had deteriorated due to the fuel spill. If you look at where the zombies crashed through the roof, there were dark spots on the roof (simulating where the fuel spilled/sat).

I got that, but still felt it was incredibly convenient and weak writing.

Think about it, zombies roam constantly, but they never went to those weakened points until our heroes arrived?

Have you noticed any similar drop in writing quality as I have?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I got that, but still felt it was incredibly convenient and weak writing.

Think about it, zombies roam constantly, but they never went to those weakened points until our heroes arrived?

Have you noticed any similar drop in writing quality as I have?

I don't think the writing has been the equivalent of the first season under Darabont quite frankly.

It's been OK, but for the most part nowhere near as good.

 

[Stash]

I don't think the writing has been the equivalent of the first season under Darabont quite frankly.

It's been OK, but for the most part nowhere near as good.

Thanks.

Just making sure it's not just me.

I sure hope it's not ruined by success going to people' s heads.

 

[iceberg]

Rewatching that premier episode I finally figured out why the roof collapsed, cos I thought it was kinda bogus myself (at the time).

When the helicopter crashed, it didn't explode but fuel did spill out all over that section of the roof.

The noise of the shelf collapsing caused the zombies to walk towards the copter and crash through sections of the roof that had deteriorated due to the fuel spill. If you look at where the zombies crashed through the roof, there were dark spots on the roof (simulating where the fuel spilled/sat).

then how did 50 zombies get on the roof?

 

[Stryker44]

Carol will show up again... It may be after the prison falls, but it will happen.

It's just about automatic anymore... new character="red shirt".

Do you feel like the new guy may find and bring problems to the prison? Doesn't seem like the sharpest tool in the shed nor the most mentally stable...especially if he killed his gf.

 

[Stryker44]

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I didn't understand the point of introducing the two new people only to have the girl quickly die and then apparently the guy died, although they don't show that. I don't get the point of just randomly killing off new people like that. Those two had been surviving in groups, or on their own, all this time and suddenly they're so stupid they get themselves killed after Rick finds them? Just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

I'm most curious how the exile of Carol will play out with Darryl, Hershel, and the little girl.

I personally think the guy killed his gf, is mentally unhinged, and will pose problems in the future...possibly as a lackey to the Governor.