Stanback vs Ogletree for 5th Receiver Spot *Merge*

[Bizwah]

Add Rod Smith, former Broncos WR, to that list.

Yup!

Played his college ball not too far away from me....

 

[AdamJT13]

Terrell Davis was a player that fell through the cracks.

Colston was another one.

Both of them were drafted. Of course, Ogletree should have been drafted, too. But I wouldn't say a sixth-round draft pick "fell through the cracks."

 

[Bizwah]

Both of them were drafted. Of course, Ogletree should have been drafted, too. But I wouldn't say a sixth-round draft pick "fell through the cracks."

I would. Depending on the situation.

 

[Stash]

Give me a break. Much of my discussion is based on Ogletree and his one game. He hasn't earned anything but more opportunities to make plays which is significant enough.

Nobody yet has answered me about how many catches this dude had Friday night.

Why would they need to? Did you not watch the game? If you didn't, then you really don't have much business downplaying Ogletree's night, do you?

If people took the time to read all that I've written they'll see I'm not a big fan of either of them because neither has done enough to get me excited. But to blast Stanback for lack of production while granting Olgetree a roster spot based on a few catches is ridiculous. And if you think all I've said is Stanback is fast then you need lessons in reading comprehension.

Maybe you should proofread your stuff before you hit submit because all you've been doing is pimping Stanback's superior atheticism while downplaying Ogletree's actual ability to play receiver.

They both deserve watchful waiting for that 5th roster spot. Whoopee.

Nah.

One deserves it - the receiver.

The project can fight to stick around as the #6 guy.

 

[jobberone]

First of all, I have no doubt in your knowledge and highly respect what you bring to this forum. I'm simply giving my opinion based on clinical experience from a physical therapy standpoint.

In any case, a post surgically repaired shoulder has a higher risk for re-injury than a normal shoulder. I don't know how to say that any different, either. Any piece of medical literature I find tells me that. In fact, depending on the type of repair, the probability of recurring episodes of instability or dislocation reaches 50% (though it's generally in the 20-30% range.) Since we both don't know the specifics of the his medical history (seen his MRI's, witnessed arthroscopic examination), we are both going on assumptions. I did not know Smith's shoulder injury was an AC separation, but my point was that players at high risk for re-injury play all the time.

I'm actually starting to wonder if he has some degree of ligamentous laxity as most, if not all of his injuries, could potentially be attributed to problems with connective tissue. Of course, that is just conjecture, but I wouldn't be surprised. I have lax ligaments and I've had various injuries resulting from it as well as chronic instability of my shoulders.

And you're right of course. I've not examined the guy so I'm making educated assumptions. If he had laxity on exam then he wouldn't be playing. Not a significant amount mind you. And more importantly, if he had severe enough findings preoperatively and intraoperatively then he wouldn't get cleared to play. Then postoperatively you have to assume there have been no setbacks or findings significant enough to restrict his play.

So I'm assuming he either had no significant laxity of his shoulder or they repaired it.

You're assuming he had a repair of a lax joint in which case you'd be right about the increased risk even if only minimal. I'm assuming there was not significant laxity either preoperatively or postoperatively. Either way he's playing and taking hits without any problems.

In either event, it will or will not declare itself.

Semper fi. Platoon 104 Parris Island 1968.

 

[PBJTime]

And you're right of course. I've not examined the guy so I'm making educated assumptions. If he had laxity on exam then he wouldn't be playing. Not a significant amount mind you. And more importantly, if he had severe enough findings preoperatively and intraoperatively then he wouldn't get cleared to play. Then postoperatively you have to assume there have been no setbacks or findings significant enough to restrict his play.

So I'm assuming he either had no significant laxity of his shoulder or they repaired it.

You're assuming he had a repair of a lax joint in which case you'd be right about the increased risk even if only minimal. I'm assuming there was not significant laxity either preoperatively or postoperatively. Either way he's playing and taking hits without any problems.

In either event, it will or will not declare itself.

Semper fi. Platoon 104 Parris Island 1968.

You may laugh when you read what I'm about the post.

Semper Fi. Platoon 3094, Kilo Company, San Diego 1998.

Yeah, yeah...I know, surfer Marine and all that jazz. LOL.

Was there even an MCRD San Diego in your day?

 

[speedkilz88]

We never draft WR's in the early rounds.

But guess who was the last WR we drafted that has come up with a 1,000 yard season?

AB in Cleveland in 2005.

I would love to get Dez next April...

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You're only half right. Antonio Bryant did it again last year at Tampa. 1,248

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

The misspellings are driving me crazy.

Cannot understand how folks can do that to such a simple name.

This thread has been a real gym...

 

[jobberone]

Why would they need to? Did you not watch the game? If you didn't, then you really don't have much business downplaying Ogletree's night, do you?



Maybe you should proofread your stuff before you hit submit because all you've been doing is pimping Stanback's superior atheticism while downplaying Ogletree's actual ability to play receiver.



Nah.

One deserves it - the receiver.

The project can fight to stick around as the #6 guy.

What drama.

I watched the game. I said I noticed his play. But they're not going to give up on Stanback nor give Olgetree a roster spot based on one game. They'll base their decisions on the body of evidence and not a snapshot. You keep thinking I'm touting one over the other despite my repeatedly stating I'm not a big fan of either.

My counter argument is the 'brittle Stanback is doomed to have another injury' and he can't translate his athleticism to the field. And I'm not anointing any UDFA after one game even if he is having a noticeable camp. Neither has done enough to be cut nor make the team. Not yet.

It appears to me you have an axe to grind and are looking for an argument. If so then go grind it somewhere else.

 

[jobberone]

You may laugh when you read what I'm about the post.

Semper Fi. Platoon 3094, Kilo Company, San Diego 1998.

Yeah, yeah...I know, surfer Marine and all that jazz. LOL.

Was there even an MCRD San Diego in your day?

Oh, yeah. There's been two RDs for awhile. The building I housed has been converted to office bldgs. At least ten years ago they were. I served in the Army as well but I don't claim them. I'm still a Marine though. I never got into the Disneyland stuff yada. If you're green you're green.

 

[Doomsday101]

What drama.

I watched the game. I said I noticed his play. But they're not going to give up on Stanback nor give Olgetree a roster spot based on one game. They'll base their decisions on the body of evidence and not a snapshot. You keep thinking I'm touting one over the other despite my repeatedly stating I'm not a big fan of either.

My counter argument is the 'brittle Stanback is doomed to have another injury' and he can't translate his athleticism to the field. And I'm not anointing any UDFA after one game even if he is having a noticeable camp. Neither has done enough to be cut nor make the team. Not yet.

It appears to me you have an axe to grind and are looking for an argument. If so then go grind it somewhere else.

I do agree that this battle is still on going between Olgetree and Stanback. I look forward to seeing both competing for what is likely the final roster spot at WR. Right now I would think Dallas will keep 5 and with RW,Crayton,Hurd and Austin that would leave 1 spot left. In the end I want to see the better man win I don't care if it is Stanback or Olgetree who ever is going out and making the most of the oppertunity should be the one who earns that spot.

 

[jobberone]

I do agree that this battle is still on going between Olgetree and Stanback. I look forward to seeing both competing for what is likely the final roster spot at WR. Right now I would think Dallas will keep 5 and with RW,Crayton,Hurd and Austin that would leave 1 spot left. In the end I want to see the better man win I don't care if it is Stanback or Olgetree who ever is going out and making the most of the oppertunity should be the one who earns that spot.

Well said.

 

[Doomsday101]

Well said.

I just want the best man to win, I'm not going to fight for Stanback or Ogletree I want who ever shows the most to get the job because then that person would have earned the job. I don't care about Stanback potential nor do I care about Ogletree draft position I only care about what did you do to earn the spot.

 

[Vinnie2u]

The Stanback experiment is over.. Unless he breaks out the final 2 preseason games.. M. Johnson goes on the practice squad..

 

[BourbonBalz]

Do you understand the game at all? Are you aware of the fact that it's impossible to field a team full of 1st and 2nd round picks? Ever heard of Drew Pearson? What about Bob Hayes? Did you ever look at the makeup of our early 90's Offensive line (considered by many to be the best ever) and taken a look at how they made it to the NFL?

"Sounds sad?" I'll take gems and gambles working out for the good of the team every year. Our QB is another example. Nothing sad about it beyond the lack of logic that goes into that kind of thinking.

This. I don't care where a player is drafted or even if he is drafted as long as he can play. Ever hear of Terrell Davis? 6th round pick. Nate Newton wasn't drafted. Drew Pearson wasn't drafted and that was when there were 12 or 13 rounds in the draft. There are many, many examples of players becoming not only productive, but superstars, even though they were low draft picks or UDFAs. It's not where you're picked, but how well you perform.

 

[jobberone]

I just want the best man to win, I'm not going to fight for Stanback or Ogletree I want who ever shows the most to get the job because then that person would have earned the job. I don't care about Stanback potential nor do I care about Ogletree draft position I only care about what did you do to earn the spot.

I agree except I do like Stanback's potential. He may turn out to never translate that to the field or get injured and cut. But you're speaking like a trooper. The best player should get the nod. My guess is if Stanback doesn't get injured again they'll stash Olgetree on the PS pending an injury. The only way Stanback is going to push for playing time is if there is an injury or he outplays Hurd/Austin which looks unlikely.

 

[garyv]

I guess to best evaluate this situation I ask myself one Question if there were injuries to every Receiver in a Game other than Roy Williams, Stanback and Ogletree who would you feel more Confident having to play across from Roy. I honestly would answer Ogletree because hes a better Route Runner, better hands and more polished as a Receiver than Stanback. In my view the only category Standback beats him in is pure raw speed and maybe a better athlete however I find myself having more confidence in Ogletree as a Receiver and the fact of staying more Healthy. This is only my opinion.

 

[AmericasTeam31]

Give me a break. Much of my discussion is based on Ogletree and his one game. He hasn't earned anything but more opportunities to make plays which is significant enough.

Nobody yet has answered me about how many catches this dude had Friday night.

If people took the time to read all that I've written they'll see I'm not a big fan of either of them because neither has done enough to get me excited. But to blast Stanback for lack of production while granting Olgetree a roster spot based on a few catches is ridiculous. And if you think all I've said is Stanback is fast then you need lessons in reading comprehension.

They both deserve watchful waiting for that 5th roster spot. Whoopee.

Stanback has been awarded a roster spot for what? 3yrs now based on "potenial." And has failed miserably IMO to produce on that potential. Not one play to speak of... Not one KR Td with all that "speed" and athleticism...

It is time to try some new potential. Not just based on one game, but based on three years of a failed experiment.

 

[VACowboy]

My objective argument would be that Ogletree has shown more in one training camp and two preseason games than Stanback has in three? years. I'm not sure what folks need from a guy to show that he can play and will be an asset to the team. All Ogletree has done is demonstrate an ability to run great routes and catch everything thrown at him, in practice as well as games. Can anyone point to anything that Stanback has done since he became a Cowboy that indicates he has the ability to be a wide receiver in the NFL?

 

[ilovejerry]

Does he have a chance to make this team?

100% get rid of stanbach sick of him doing nothing with his opportunities,