Star-Telegram - Surprise!! Barber gets the lower 1st rd tender

[cowboyed]

Holy cack, what a bunch of nervous nellies. Jones has reasons beyond our feeble insight to make the decisions he is. If he was so naive or stupid this team would not be in an upward swing. I guess Jones could asuage your fears by just spelling it out in all fan publications, forums and the media about what the actual strategy is. After let's discount draft and free agent acquisition game plan and just lay out our true intentions for the entire league to mull over.

By the way if it is reported over a month before the draft it ain't necessarily so....

 

[iceberg]

So a 1st and 3rd is a deal breaker on someone trying to sign Barber but a 1st isn't? I don't buy it.

exactly. but people just get upset and don't think through things. the 3rd round pick isn't gonna make or break any deal at this point so why make it an issue?

1. we can match any offer that comes in.
2. we can decide it's too much and go elsewhere and take our compensation.

nothing has really changed except we wouldn't get the 3rd rounder should someone else sign barber. if jones put a $500k+ value on that for his own business reasons we're not aware of, fine.

this was a move for the patient, not the IGS.

 

[DCBoysfan]

Dallas would also have the right to match any offer made.

Unless someone throws in the Poison Pill

 

[alancdc]

Signing Micheal Turner would fill that hole and we have 3 1st rders.

How much money do you think Turner will want?

 

[iceberg]

I know Jerry and co. are smart, and I'm sure they did all the research in the world. But if you a team with a lower draft number and you was looking for a running back. Why not just tender Barber instead if drafting one. He is a proven comidity (sp). I think the gambler in Jerry is taking over.

he's a proven "tandem" back, not a proven starter "every down" back.

the question is take the rb's set to go in the 1st round this year - would you take:

mcfadden
stewart
mendenhall
barber

and so forth. keep in mind we passed on stephen jackson a few years back and where did he go? the 1st RB in the draft? would you want jackson or barber as your starter?

we tend to overvalue our own players. i want barber to stay for heart and his style on the field alone. but i'm also ok with showing some patience and common sense along the way.

 

[Doomsday101]

Unless someone throws in the Poison Pill

If someone was going to do that then a tender of a 1st and 3rd would not stop them. If by chance the worst case happens and we lose Barber Dallas will be sitting on 3 1st rd picks in a draft that has some great prospects at RB. Personally don't think Dallas is going to lose Barber.

 

[Oh_Canada]

What everyone seems to be forgetting is that even if another team does think he's worth a first rounder and signs him to an offer sheet, we'd still have the option of matching the offer.

Whereas tendering him at the highest level might have outpriced any team that might want him, and thus prevented any offers whatsoever and forced us to pay him the largest salary (unless, of course we sign him to a long-term deal, in which case, the whole point about his tender is moot anyway), tendering him at the first round level gives us the option to potentially field some offers and ask "Is this guy, at the salary this other team has offered him, more valuable than this team's pick?"

If the answer to that question is yes, then the market has determined his value, we match the offer, and go on our merry way. If the answer is no, then apparently someone else is paying an exorbitant amount for him and/or would give us a very high draft pick straight up for him, which isn't an entirely bad situation.

Let's not forget that, as we all said when Washington traded Bailey for Portis, runningback is one of the easiest positions at which to find a starter.

You make good points and your probably thinking along the same lines as team management. I forgot that the Boys will have the chance to match, so now that you have put it into proper context this offer makes all the sense in the world.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Exactly........horrible move

They can still match any offer that Barber gets. This makes them a bit more vulnerable, but they still have a good lock on Barber.




YAKUZA

 

[Jay]

Yeah, really doesn't seem like most of you understand how this works. If someone in the late first is willing to give it up and sign Barber, we're given time to match the offer if we'd like. Really don't think that we have to worry about any poison pills.

People are freaking out as if someone can just fly in with their #27 or other late 1st and just take him immediately. Jerry knows what he's doing, Barber isn't a true proven NFL back yet, sure he's a pro bowler but he didn't start once during the season.

Didn't San Diego put a 2nd round tender on Turner last season? No one bit on that one. Draft picks really are worth a lot, probably more than they should be.

 

[Big Dakota]

The poison pill has been removed by the league office= that is not a worry. It cannot happen again like it did with Hutchinson.

I want to you provide proof that your statement is true. I have found no proof on the net that the "league" has done away with the "pill". It wasn't used last year(2007) and maybe the commish told the teams to knock it off after the ugly 2006 display between Minnesota and Seattle, BUT i've seen nothing in writing that the NFL has officially banned the poison pill, so if you would(or anyone for that matter), please clear this up for all of us by providing proof. I would be much obliged. Thank you!

 

[alancdc]

Yeah, really doesn't seem like most of you understand how this works. If someone in the late first is willing to give it up and sign Barber, we're given time to match the offer if we'd like. Really don't think that we have to worry about any poison pills.

People are freaking out as if someone can just fly in with their #27 or other late 1st and just take him immediately. Jerry knows what he's doing, Barber isn't a true proven NFL back yet, sure he's a pro bowler but he didn't start once during the season.

Didn't San Diego put a 2nd round tender on Turner last season? No one bit on that one. Draft picks really are worth a lot, probably more than they should be.

Agree with what you say except that wouldn't you agree that him not starting yet wasn't HIS fault? Didn't most on this board say he should have been starting all year? He is a starter.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I want to you provide proof that your statement is true. I have found no proof on the net that the "league" has done away with the "pill". It wasn't used last year(2007) and maybe the commish told the teams to knock it off after the ugly 2006 display between Minnesota and Seattle, BUT i've seen nothing in writing that the NFL has officially banned the poison pill, so if you would, please clear this up for all of us by providing proof. I would be much obliged. Thank you!

I recall the Pats using a poison pill in Wes Walker's contract offer, (something about playing only so many games in Florida), and the Fins were so upset about it that Kraft and Huizenga struck a deal between themselves personally to avoid any hard feelings and that's how the Fins got a 2nd round pick out of the deal.

So poison pills may be frowned upon now and teams may be reluctant to use them, but I don't know that they are illegal.

 

[iceberg]

I want to you provide proof that your statement is true. I have found no proof on the net that the "league" has done away with the "pill". It wasn't used last year(2007) and maybe the commish told the teams to knock it off after the ugly 2006 display between Minnesota and Seattle, BUT i've seen nothing in writing that the NFL has officially banned the poison pill, so if you would(or anyone for that matter), please clear this up for all of us by providing proof. I would be much obliged. Thank you!

who the hell cares about a poison pill? so say atlanta puts one in there. great. we now have the 3rd overall pick is it? trade down city and collect more 1st rounders in the less $$$ area and fill some big holes and balance out.

or if say the 9ers want to use their late round pick on barber and put in a poison pill. IF BARBER WERE TO SIGN THAT CONTRACT then he won't want to be here. barber can just as easily say to take that out or he won't sign it.

players do not have to accept what the team offers - hence negeotiations. if it comes down to the poison pill being the deal breaker then it's usually used to get a player where they want to be in as much as keeping their old team from resigning them.

 

[masomenos]

I recall the Pats using a poison pill in Wes Walker's contract offer, (something about playing only so many games in Florida), and the Fins were so upset about it that Kraft and Huizenga struck a deal between themselves personally to avoid any hard feelings and that's how the Fins got a 2nd round pick out of the deal.

So poison pills may be frowned upon now and teams may be reluctant to use them, but I don't know that they are illegal.

Well now I can go back into constant worry mode I guess.

 

[iceberg]

Well now I can go back into constant worry mode I guess.

seems like you have a lot of company.

 

[Big Dakota]

who the hell cares about a poison pill? so say atlanta puts one in there. great. we now have the 3rd overall pick is it? trade down city and collect more 1st rounders in the less $$$ area and fill some big holes and balance out.

or if say the 9ers want to use their late round pick on barber and put in a poison pill. IF BARBER WERE TO SIGN THAT CONTRACT then he won't want to be here. barber can just as easily say to take that out or he won't sign it.

players do not have to accept what the team offers - hence negeotiations. if it comes down to the poison pill being the deal breaker then it's usually used to get a player where they want to be in as much as keeping their old team from resigning them.

Thanks for talking out you arse and providing no proof, as usual.

 

[Hoofbite]

who the hell cares about a poison pill? so say atlanta puts one in there. great. we now have the 3rd overall pick is it? trade down city and collect more 1st rounders in the less $$$ area and fill some big holes and balance out.

or if say the 9ers want to use their late round pick on barber and put in a poison pill. IF BARBER WERE TO SIGN THAT CONTRACT then he won't want to be here. barber can just as easily say to take that out or he won't sign it.

players do not have to accept what the team offers - hence negeotiations. if it comes down to the poison pill being the deal breaker then it's usually used to get a player where they want to be in as much as keeping their old team from resigning them.

It won't be atlanta......Try a team drafting late in the 1st.

I don't like the move, I think its stupid. Im glad dallas can match but I think Jerry is praying for a taker.

 

[WoodysGirl]

I want to you provide proof that your statement is true. I have found no proof on the net that the "league" has done away with the "pill". It wasn't used last year(2007) and maybe the commish told the teams to knock it off after the ugly 2006 display between Minnesota and Seattle, BUT i've seen nothing in writing that the NFL has officially banned the poison pill, so if you would(or anyone for that matter), please clear this up for all of us by providing proof. I would be much obliged. Thank you!

It's not illegal. The league may frown upon it, but there hasn't been any reported rule change.

Florio on PFT seems to think that because of the backlash due to the Seattle/Minny deals, that teams have a silent agreement not to use them.

 

[iceberg]

Thanks for talking out you arse and providing no proof, as usual.

proof? because i have an opinion.

what proof are you looking for in someone's opinion? nevermind, i just don't care what you think at this point. move along now.

 

[TheSport78]

If you don't think Marion Barber will be wearing a Cowboys' jersey next season, then you are CRAZY. Jerry is a smart business man. He knows how popular Barber is when it comes to the fans, merchandise, etc. Jerry is taking a gamble with the 1st round tender and I think it is dangerous because of all the positive mainstream attention Barber has gotten dating back to last season. But if it works out and no one offers Barber a contract, we save half a million dollars. Then who looks smart? Jerry and company.