Starting FS-who's your pick

[theogt]

dude, the definition I have highlighted is used in reference to the participants in a team sport, is football not a team sport? I gave you the dictionary's definition, and also the definition as how it's applied to football, a person's main competition for a position being unable to thoroughly compete with him, in order to win the job due to injury, suspension, etc., what you gave me was a misunderstanding of the phrase, "by default", it does not mean he was the only qualified candidate for the FS position, your definition, which is wrong, and has been proven by the definition, and there is only one definition for a word, so for the last time, don't fault Davis for the Cowboy's inability to find a better FS alternative, so Davis won the FS job, by performance, NOT default, last year, this year may be a different story, but who knows? that's why they play the game

Lookit, the definition I'm using is commonly used here and elsewhere in the sports world. I have no idea why you haven't ever seen it used as such. A player wins a position "by default" if he has no real competition for that position. Pettiti won his position last year "by default". Same with Polite. Sure there were some people to compete or guys we could have brought in to compete but they were "guys off the street" who weren't real competition.

You can disagree with this definition. You can claim it doesn't exist and that no one ever uses it this way. BUT, I would strongly caution you against doing so, as it would make you appear less credible.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Pettiti won his position last year "by default".

exactly! Pettiti won the RT job because Rogers, the front-runner, his main competition, had surgery, not the same case with Davis

I don't know where you heard your definition for the phrase "by default", but it's wrong, idk, show me an article pertaining to football that has it used in your context and I'll believe you

 

[theogt]

exactly! Pettiti won the RT job because Rogers, the front-runner, his main competition, had surgery, not the same case with Davis

I don't know where you heard your definition for the phrase "by default", but it's wrong, idk, show me an article pertaining to football that has it used in your context and I'll believe you

I still can't believe that you don't see that there's not a dime's worth of difference between what you're saying and what I'm saying. I'll attempt a clearer explanation.

Players A, B, C, and D are Right Tackles. C and D are "off the street players" that are really just there as warm bodies. A and B are competing for the starting position. B gets hurt. A wins the starting spot because his only remaining competition was C and D, the "guys of the street." A, according to your defintion, won by default.

Another scenario:

A, C, and D are Safeties. Like above, C and D are "off the street guys" that probably couldn't even make any other teams' roster (like the guys we had competing with Davis last year). There is no B. Lets say B retired the year before. A wins the Safety position. He had no real competition, as C and D again were "guys of the street".

How is this second scenario any different than the first?

 

[blindzebra]

Coleman doesn't even make the final 53.

 

[RealCowboyfan]

Coleman doesn't even make the final 53.

you going a bit far saying that. Marcus Coleman is a Bill Parcells player. Of Course he's going to make the team because parcells haves a blief he know how to us he's players.

I feel Parcells is going to make it work; Even Marcus Coleman going to make it work. We going to have excellent depth in our secondary....:starspin

 

[theogt]

Coleman doesn't even make the final 53.

Our starting FS won't be on the final 53?????? Will they sneak him onto the field?

 

[RealCowboyfan]

Our starting FS won't be on the final 53?????? Will they sneak him onto the field?

I can't agree with saying Marcus Coleman is not going to make the team... That's too far out... He has nice size and valueable wisdom of the position.

He's actually helping us two ways. He's a teacher and a player..

That's like having Avery Johnson out there playing with the San Antonio Spurs winning championships...

 

[Screw The Hall]

Coleman doesn't even make the final 53.

I agree with you, it's also a best case scenario.

 

[blindzebra]

you going a bit far saying that. Marcus Coleman is a Bill Parcells player. Of Course he's going to make the team because parcells haves a blief he know how to us he's players.

I feel Parcells is going to make it work; Even Marcus Coleman going to make it work. We going to have excellent depth in our secondary....:starspin

Old, coming off a terrible season, he's sucked at safety in Houston, and he has off field issues.

There have been plenty of "Parcells guys" that he's released the second someone better was there.

I repeat, he will not make it thru preseason, he'll get the old release and stand by your phone after week 1 in case we need you.

 

[RealCowboyfan]

Old, coming off a terrible season, he's sucked at safety in Houston, and he has off field issues.

There have been plenty of "Parcells guys" that he's released the second someone better was there.

I repeat, he will not make it thru preseason, he'll get the old release and stand by your phone after week 1 in case we need you.

The point is, he's going to be a play maker... I guarantee you, he would have his best years to come with Parcells, and Im just saying Parcells is going to get the most out of him.

Blindzebra isn't that GREAT!!:

http://dallascowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55844

 

[twa]

Old, coming off a terrible season, he's sucked at safety in Houston, and he has off field issues.

There have been plenty of "Parcells guys" that he's released the second someone better was there.

I repeat, he will not make it thru preseason, he'll get the old release and stand by your phone after week 1 in case we need you.

Those are my thoughts too,he was signed simply as insurance against not picking up a Watkins or Beriault not being healthy.

Unless injuries occur or other problems ,I look for him to be released and possibly resigned.

One question for the Davis fans.

If they had confidence in his FS abilities,Why sign two players to replace him?

I look for him to backup Roy and play ST,with some situational work.

 

[Screw The Hall]

Those are my thoughts too,he was signed simply as insurance against not picking up a Watkins or Beriault not being healthy.

Unless injuries occur or other problems ,I look for him to be released and possibly resigned.

One question for the Davis fans.

If they had confidence in his FS abilities,Why sign two players to replace him?

I look for him to backup Roy and play ST,with some situational work.

I think they want Watkins to start in an ideal world right out of the gate. But thats a longshot to happen from the getgo, he'll probably need some time. I think Davis gives them that buffer.

I still think Coleman has a shot but he has to be appreciably better than everyone else on the roster and win the starting nod, because he won't make the team as a backup. I don't think that will happen.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Davis will be the start IMO, but only plays a few more downs than his substitute. I think they'll keep Watkins, Coleman, Davis, and Roy as the safeties and put Beriault on the PS.

Rich.......

 

[Doomsdayblitz]

I pick Coleman to start in the beginning of the season, with Beriault & Watkins coming in on some nickel & dime packages. By mid-season, however, I think Beriault's playmaking ability will out-shine Coleman, and he will be the starting FS by mid-season.

As far as long term, Watkins will learn a lot playing behind Coleman and eventually beside Williams. He will have next year's off-season program, and motivation from that rather large chip on his shoulder from being overlooked in the draft to bulk up & get some of the kinks out of his game & will blow up TC 2007. Watkins begins his long line of Pro-Bowl selections at the end of 2007 & never looks back.

 

[AsthmaField]

I may be wrong, but I think Coleman will start the year at FS. I don't think he'll end the year as the starter... I'd hope to see Watkins playing there on a full time basis by December.

Coleman starts and Watkins comes in on certain situations. As the year progresses, Watkins becomes more and more comfortable with the scheme and the coaches become more and more comfortable with Watkins.

The safties will be (I hope):

SS: Williams, Beriault
FS: Coleman, Watkins
Swingman: Davis

Five safeties is a lot to keep, but with Watkins, Davis and Beriault all being strong on special teams, Parcells opts to keep that many.

I don't think BlindZebra's scenario is far fetched at all though and can see a case where Coleman is released and we keep 4 safties; Williams, Beriault, Watkins and Davis. In this case, I could see any of the other 3 guys winning the FS job. Watkins, Beriault or Davis could surprise and win the spot.

Also, with those 4 guys... two of them could play either S spot... Beriault or Davis. And their versatility should help them make the squad.

Boy, we are going to be cutting some players this year that really can play in this league.

 

[Austin28]

Watkins will play in deep passing situations - e.g. - the Commanders game.

I think Keith Davis will start, but keep your eye on Barialt. He needs to get faster, but he's a player.

Coleman is too old.

 

[Austin28]

I said Davis.

If Coleman makes the team he'll have to be the starter IMO. I say noway we keep 5 safeties on the roster, so that to me means it's between Beriault or Coleman for a roster spot.

I think Parcells will want to keep Beriaut if he can and will do so if Beriault shows enough to stay, and Davis or Watkins prove they can man FS close to as good as Coleman.

Ideally Watkins would suprise and win the job, but realistically speaking he'll probably need some time.

Coleman is the insurance policy in case noone steps up, but keeping him means one of the youngsters probably Beriault will have to go IMO.

Oh, Barialt will stay. He's going to be a hell of a special teams guy. Trust me on this.

 

[Austin28]

Coleman doesn't even make the final 53.

I agree.

 

[jterrell]

I expect Coleman this year with Watkins playing nickel and then taking over next season.

Coleman has simply seen all the offenses and knows the players he'll face whereas Watkins will be new to the league, players and game plans.

 

[Screw The Hall]

Oh, Barialt will stay. He's going to be a hell of a special teams guy. Trust me on this.

Yeah I agree that's why I don't have Coleman making the final 53.