Stephen Jones thread

[waving monkey]

If Stephen hires a real GM, I'll think more of him than I do now.

Until then, he's nothing more than Daddy's little boy.

nope

 

[Direwolf63]

nope

yep

 

[waving monkey]

I do hate it, because it's absolute bull****. A QB can improve his team's chances or hurt them, he doesn't win. And if there is a better player, who'd improve the team's chances more, you play him. As soon as someone starts to delude himself into believing that Dak won, it makes sense to keep him in there. If you pretend it's an individual sport, you play the winner. If you realize that it's a team sport, you play the better player - which improves the team's chance of winning.

thats fine we're all frustrated right now

 

[waving monkey]

yep

lol

 

[Direwolf63]

Pros

-Drafted Martin over Manziel
-Has given the power back to his scouts and drafts have been moderately better
-Has managed the cap well
-Is responsible for the youth movement in this team

Cons

-Released DeMarcus Ware (who eventually won a super bowl) and
made it clear he wanted to stay and restructure

-Refused to Pay DeMarco Murray (could go either way)

-His decision along with Garrett to go Dak over Romo. Jerry wanted to
give Romo the reigns back

-Was they key figure, along with Linnehan, to get rid of Dez Bryant

-Virtually made no effort to build key weapons in free agency or via trade



These are things we know! How would you rate him so far. Personally, I'm not convinced he's better than Jerry. Jerry at least took risk in trying to build a football team. Jones plays it very close to the chest.

All of the Cons here pale in comparison to the one move that proves that Jerry and Stephen have no business running a football operation.

These guys failed to move from #4 to #2 to draft Carson Wentz when Cleveland was looking to trade down. They sat there counting their money while the Eagles went up and grabbed him.

This after the coaching staff coached him at the Senior Bowl and were impressed with the interviews. The rest is history.

 

[Blackspider214]

I like Stephen. I can't wait for the day he gets full control of running the club. we weren't getting anywhere with ware. made no sense to continue to pay him. murray was just asking for too much. eagles overpaid. how'd that work out for them. Stephen has been fixing the cap he-ll his dad put us in. and he's done very well at it. next year we will finally have some good cap money. then we'll see how he plays the free agency game. getting rid of dez was a no brainer. he's the only one with the fortitude to do anything about it. I suspect his next big move will involve a hc and an oc.

And what have we did with this cap space? Absolutely nothing. Stephen is all about being as fiscally responsible as possible and getting the "best" deal. He's not about actually improving the deal and refuses to utilize free agency. He's as bad as his dad but just the opposite approach. Jerry was about wheeling and dealing and making big splashes that didn't work. Stephen is about being as cheap and frugal as possible and that won't work either. Eagles were a last place team in 2016. Up against the cap and still made all those free agency moves last offseason and that trade mid season. If you aren't being proactive, you are getting left behind. He thinks he can just build a team successfully through the draft and ignore free agency.

 

[Kalyan]

Pros

-Drafted Martin over Manziel
-Has given the power back to his scouts and drafts have been moderately better
-Has managed the cap well
-Is responsible for the youth movement in this team

Cons

-Released DeMarcus Ware (who eventually won a super bowl) and
made it clear he wanted to stay and restructure

-Refused to Pay DeMarco Murray (could go either way)

-His decision along with Garrett to go Dak over Romo. Jerry wanted to
give Romo the reigns back

-Was they key figure, along with Linnehan, to get rid of Dez Bryant

-Virtually made no effort to build key weapons in free agency or via trade



These are things we know! How would you rate him so far. Personally, I'm not convinced he's better than Jerry. Jerry at least took risk in trying to build a football team. Jones plays it very close to the chest.

These might not be his exact decisions if he has full control, he still has to let His dad meddle in some key decisions but like the Pros

 

[bsbellomy]

Pros

-Drafted Martin over Manziel
-Has given the power back to his scouts and drafts have been moderately better
-Has managed the cap well
-Is responsible for the youth movement in this team

Cons

-Released DeMarcus Ware (who eventually won a super bowl) and
made it clear he wanted to stay and restructure

-Refused to Pay DeMarco Murray (could go either way)

-His decision along with Garrett to go Dak over Romo. Jerry wanted to
give Romo the reigns back

-Was they key figure, along with Linnehan, to get rid of Dez Bryant

-Virtually made no effort to build key weapons in free agency or via trade



These are things we know! How would you rate him so far. Personally, I'm not convinced he's better than Jerry. Jerry at least took risk in trying to build a football team. Jones plays it very close to the chest.

I mean isn't #3 and #4 in your PROS just a product of his refusal to pay players?

 

[CouchCoach]

< 0, his primary job has been not only to manage the cap but invest it wisely and he's among the worst at that and has been doing it for too long to have any reason to believe he's nothing more than the lucky sperm. He did inherit one troublesome trait, the ability to convince one's self of adequacy in their profession.

And to those that recall him mentioning he would hire a GM. That was years ago before he became a celebrity and enjoyed listening to and watching himself, another undesirable inherited trait. And to top that off, he has the same brain trap relapse that allows people to hear the stupid things they're going to say before actually letting it out of their mouths. "Hey, the mic is open, I must speak". I'll take Booger over this clown prince any day and every day.

 

[silver]

Dude is playing moneyball. It hasn't worked in the league unless you have Brady & Belichick. I hate the way they the front office manages the personnel. Just look at the whole Sean Lee situation. In 2014 we viewed his position as a need and were going to draft Ryan Shazier. So they knew back then that Lee was on his last legs, and what do we do, we draft a one legged Jaylon Smith two years later. So finally after 4 years of identifying this need we have his replacement in Jaylon. What other teams do this? This year is the same situation with the WR position. They clearly identify it as an area of need, so they sign sub par talent in Allen Hurns and Deonte Thompson. If we were to resign Dez today, he immediately becomes our #1 WR. Just because the Patriots can get away with no-name receivers, doesn't mean we can also. TE is another position where clearly they've identified the need all along and been drafting TE's in the second round forever only to have to rely on undrafted free agents the minute Witten retires. It just seem the FO reacts, and not even that sometimes, as opposed to proactively trying to build a roster.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Jerry was just on the radio.

Boy is he delusional. This ship is going nowhere.

He refuses to put any blame on the coaches. Still thinks all of those coaching changes in the offense meant something.

They basically think everything is ok.

Just listened... Sickening.

At this point I don't care how badly things crash and burn. Jerry deserves it.

 

[9darter]

Stephen Jones is as bad as his father

At best.

 

[cowboyblue22]

unless the qb play and coaching improve this team is on a course to pick at number 6 in the upcoming nfl draft I just don't see that this staff and front office have the know how or ability to change that much wont be long we can start doing our mock drafts

 

[reddyuta]

Terrible in FA, I mean phenomenally bad.

 

[nightrain]

Chip off the old block. Ownership should not be involved with personnel, their financial position brings too much emotion to the table.

 

[khiladi]

I credit every OL decision to Callahan.

Martin was picked, because the three defensive players ahead of them were gone. Stephen, along with everybody in the room, probably deserves credit for Jerry not going with Manziel, but not Martin. Word was that the Dallas draft room thought Manziel wouldn’t even be around when Dallas picked so they would have to deal with it.

Callahan worked out Fredrick personally and had ties to his college. When they got Frederick, Stephen and Jason thought they were going Sharif Floyd. Jerry over-ruled last minute and went Frederick because marinelli didn’t want him and for Romo. Stephen even mentions this dysfunction in an interview the year it happened and said it, basically, would be corrected.

That decision reflects how this FO is, because it took draft day for these guys to realize Marinelli didn’t want Floyd and he wasn’t suited to a 4-3. They basically charged him as a guy that high when the DC, Who was around since January, didn’t like him.

Jerry was trying to get Lynch and Stephen was acting as the intermediary and per reports kept trying to make deals and kept asking his father what he wanted to do. But Jerry kept saying it was too much, meaning the input of Jerry is still there.

 

[Jake]

Chip off the old block. Ownership should not be involved with personnel, their financial position brings too much emotion to the table.

Not mention they didn't get rich by managing football personnel. It'd be like Jerry hiring the late Tony Sparano to manage part of his oil business.

They're playing fantasy football, only with real players and real money. Hard to believe it's producing mediocrity.

 

[khiladi]

Jerry was just on the radio.

Boy is he delusional. This ship is going nowhere.



He refuses to put any blame on the coaches. Still thinks all of those coaching changes in the offense meant something.

They basically think everything is ok.

As I said, it’s laughable to think Jerry is going to fire his adopted son. His whole career here has been Jerry defending him and shielding him from blame.

 

[DiResta]

when Jerry is no longer cognizant (he may even have to be buried before his kids are able to make changes) and Stephen is actually running the "football operations" at the highest level-
it wouldn't surprise me if the Cowboys become more like the Raiders executively with Will becoming GM and Stephen maybe keeping his CEO position but more assistant and less 'Coach' Jerryish
remember Al Davis was as much (or worse) a meddler as Jerry

being that all 3 of Jerry's kids split responsibilities of running his empire, it's unlikely imo that Stephen would be anything like Jerry (especially power-wise)
as for being cheap, that could be a culmination of years spent handling player contracts
maybe he sees numbers as the ultimate decider and doesn't fully appreciate the actual worth of the player, idk

I just hope it changes for the better because this isn't working

 

[Dhragon]

Can't fully assess Stephen Jones performance as a GM until he gets his own HC. Jason is all Jerry.

I am hoping this is indeed the case. I really don't know how Stephen feels about Garrett and if Red is the one of the last Jerry final sayings or not. Jerry has been giving control over to Stephen more and more. If Red is fired at the end of the season (unless something drastically changes, no way we're above 0.500 this year), then my estimation of Stephen will tick upwards. If not, then I'll just assume he is as much a goober as his old man, just a bigger cheapskate.